Fall baseball teams for D1 hopeful

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Anonymous wrote:D1 Baseball is going to DRAMATICALLY change.

It has been that you could be on a college baseball team for five years total and compete for 4 of those years. JUCO (junior college /community college) counted for two years. So students who went to JUCO and played from typically 18-20 would then transfer and play in a D1 school from around 20-22/23. '

Due to a recent court case it looks like JUCO is NOT going to affect D1 NCAA eligibility. So students can play for two years at a JUCO (18-20), redshirt for a year at a D1 (age 21) then play for four more years 22-26. At the end of any of those years this player would be draft eligible!

So your 18 year old is going to be competing for roster spots with 20-21 year olds. Hmm, who do you think is getting the spot?

So you need to start asking how tall your kid is going to be at 18, are they going to have completely grown and filled out?

So if you think your kid is really going to go D1 and you aren't knowledgeable about baseball, odds are that isn't going to happen.

My DS just graduated from college where he was on a top ranked D3 baseball team. His team was nationally ranked for most of his 4 years. They played in the post season for 3 of his four years. Why am I telling you this? 1/3 of the starting roster were D1 "drop downs." Guys who had signed and showed up to D1 schools when they were freshman. Two lasted a full year at their D1 and actually saw some playing time (an inning or two when their team was in a blow out.). The third guy never saw the field. We had another D1 drop down (a pitcher) who was expected to play but got injured very early in the season and had TJ surgery. Had he been healthy, he probably would have been our #1 pitcher. He transferred into the school in January after he was cut after his freshman fall season. We also had two D2 drop downs. One of our sophomore pitchers has entered the transfer portal to see if any gets any interest. He had a fantastic season and is big - over 6'3". When our team played, he definitely was bigger than most of the other pitchers the team faced.

College sports have changed dramatically with the immediate play rule change. Now guys jump schools every year. If they don't get enough playing time, they drop down to a lower level school - either same level (D1) but from a Power 5 school to a low mid major. Or D1 to D2 or D3. Or they are studs in their current home and move up: again from a mid major to Power 5. Or D2 or D3 to D1. I've also heard that JUCOs are becoming even more competitive.

It is becoming really difficult for a good athlete to get recruited as a freshman and stay and play at a D1 school. College coaches can get guys who have college playing experience and they play immediately. Their job is to win and they'd rather fill their team with guys who have played college ball, who understand the commitment (Baseball, school, social life) than an unknown freshman. Ivy League and the military academies are probably the only schools that are immune from the movement.

+1. This is the baseball reality, unfortunately. Not to derail the thread, but baseball was the huge loser in the post Title IX NCAA world. There were never enough scholarship slots for boys who play baseball relative to the HS participation rate of the sport when compared basketball and football. And, it’s only going to get worse as more schools eliminate baseball programs that are no longer viable in the NIL world. As was said upthread, unless your HS junior is a stud pitcher or projectable generational middle infielder, he’s not playing D1 ball anymore. College coaches will increasingly grab proven corner players from the portal or as grad transfers. So either stop reading this thread and get DS into the weight room, or just make peace and enjoy the last few magical years of his playing career.

I don’t disagree with your conclusion…but the recent settlement significantly expands the number of baseball scholarships from 11.9 to 34…and I don’t understand why NIL would cause colleges to eliminate baseball programs.

Now, lower D1 teams in poorer conferences probably won’t explains to 34 scholarships, but I don’t see the colleges getting rid of their teams.

Someone above was correct that Ivy schools will be the exception because the coaches can’t really get kids from the transfer portal…and even if someone wants to transfer, they have to apply to transfer by April…they aren’t like other D1 kids picking up transfers on August 20 who show up on campus on August 21.

They may spend more time trying to encourage kids to apply for law or business school that have eligibility remaining…but it’s a much smaller group.

But yes…unless a college coach thinks a high school kid can be a starter no later than sophomore year, they won’t bother. Nobody thinks much about developing players because there is always a “better” program a kid can transfer into if you do develop into a star at UMD and now UTK comes calling.

Clearly there are some amazing high school players considering 40% of the first and second round MLB picks are HS players, including two kids (Ethan Halliday and the the lefty Corona pitcher) that are favored as the #1 overall MLB picks this July.

I'm the previous poster with the just graduated D3 baseball player. So I'm not familiar with all the recruiting rules anymore and how NIL money figures into that. Howwever, when my DS was being recruited, we were told that even though programs were allowed to have 11.9 scholarships, it didn't mean the school fully funded those scholarships. I would imagine that if a school didn't fully fund 11.9 scholarships, they aren't going to all of a sudden fully fund 34.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:D1 Baseball is going to DRAMATICALLY change.

It has been that you could be on a college baseball team for five years total and compete for 4 of those years. JUCO (junior college /community college) counted for two years. So students who went to JUCO and played from typically 18-20 would then transfer and play in a D1 school from around 20-22/23. '

Due to a recent court case it looks like JUCO is NOT going to affect D1 NCAA eligibility. So students can play for two years at a JUCO (18-20), redshirt for a year at a D1 (age 21) then play for four more years 22-26. At the end of any of those years this player would be draft eligible!

So your 18 year old is going to be competing for roster spots with 20-21 year olds. Hmm, who do you think is getting the spot?

So you need to start asking how tall your kid is going to be at 18, are they going to have completely grown and filled out?

So if you think your kid is really going to go D1 and you aren't knowledgeable about baseball, odds are that isn't going to happen.

My DS just graduated from college where he was on a top ranked D3 baseball team. His team was nationally ranked for most of his 4 years. They played in the post season for 3 of his four years. Why am I telling you this? 1/3 of the starting roster were D1 "drop downs." Guys who had signed and showed up to D1 schools when they were freshman. Two lasted a full year at their D1 and actually saw some playing time (an inning or two when their team was in a blow out.). The third guy never saw the field. We had another D1 drop down (a pitcher) who was expected to play but got injured very early in the season and had TJ surgery. Had he been healthy, he probably would have been our #1 pitcher. He transferred into the school in January after he was cut after his freshman fall season. We also had two D2 drop downs. One of our sophomore pitchers has entered the transfer portal to see if any gets any interest. He had a fantastic season and is big - over 6'3". When our team played, he definitely was bigger than most of the other pitchers the team faced.

College sports have changed dramatically with the immediate play rule change. Now guys jump schools every year. If they don't get enough playing time, they drop down to a lower level school - either same level (D1) but from a Power 5 school to a low mid major. Or D1 to D2 or D3. Or they are studs in their current home and move up: again from a mid major to Power 5. Or D2 or D3 to D1. I've also heard that JUCOs are becoming even more competitive.

It is becoming really difficult for a good athlete to get recruited as a freshman and stay and play at a D1 school. College coaches can get guys who have college playing experience and they play immediately. Their job is to win and they'd rather fill their team with guys who have played college ball, who understand the commitment (Baseball, school, social life) than an unknown freshman. Ivy League and the military academies are probably the only schools that are immune from the movement.

+1. This is the baseball reality, unfortunately. Not to derail the thread, but baseball was the huge loser in the post Title IX NCAA world. There were never enough scholarship slots for boys who play baseball relative to the HS participation rate of the sport when compared basketball and football. And, it’s only going to get worse as more schools eliminate baseball programs that are no longer viable in the NIL world. As was said upthread, unless your HS junior is a stud pitcher or projectable generational middle infielder, he’s not playing D1 ball anymore. College coaches will increasingly grab proven corner players from the portal or as grad transfers. So either stop reading this thread and get DS into the weight room, or just make peace and enjoy the last few magical years of his playing career.

I don’t disagree with your conclusion…but the recent settlement significantly expands the number of baseball scholarships from 11.9 to 34…and I don’t understand why NIL would cause colleges to eliminate baseball programs.

Now, lower D1 teams in poorer conferences probably won’t explains to 34 scholarships, but I don’t see the colleges getting rid of their teams.

Someone above was correct that Ivy schools will be the exception because the coaches can’t really get kids from the transfer portal…and even if someone wants to transfer, they have to apply to transfer by April…they aren’t like other D1 kids picking up transfers on August 20 who show up on campus on August 21.

They may spend more time trying to encourage kids to apply for law or business school that have eligibility remaining…but it’s a much smaller group.

But yes…unless a college coach thinks a high school kid can be a starter no later than sophomore year, they won’t bother. Nobody thinks much about developing players because there is always a “better” program a kid can transfer into if you do develop into a star at UMD and now UTK comes calling.

Clearly there are some amazing high school players considering 40% of the first and second round MLB picks are HS players, including two kids (Ethan Halliday and the the lefty Corona pitcher) that are favored as the #1 overall MLB picks this July.

I'm the previous poster with the just graduated D3 baseball player. So I'm not familiar with all the recruiting rules anymore and how NIL money figures into that. Howwever, when my DS was being recruited, we were told that even though programs were allowed to have 11.9 scholarships, it didn't mean the school fully funded those scholarships. I would imagine that if a school didn't fully fund 11.9 scholarships, they aren't going to all of a sudden fully fund 34.

Certain leagues have their own rules…obviously Ivy doesn’t provide any athletic scholarships.

All the major conferences award the max (the 11.9 is weird…you can give 25% to essentially the entire team or 100% to 11, 90% to one and zero to the rest).

However, I think what you are saying is that these lesser conferences won’t match so there is no need for them to drop the sport.

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There are many degrees of D1 talent.

If you are someone that Vanderbilt would recruit, then yes, your talent is clear.

However, if you are someone that is Fordham or Ivy or Patriot League D1 level (meaning, that would be your upper limit of athletic ability)...that's not such an easy call and it matters that a club coach knows those coaches, understands which schools are recruiting for what slots and makes sure you get in front of them.

You have to be an incredibly good player to attend any of these schools for baseball. I highly doubt a travel coach would do anything to sway the recruitment for these schools. D3 no name schools, maybe. Ivy's? Not a chance.

If you're not an All State player and a three year or four year varsity starter then chances are you aren't playing at an Ivy or Patriot league school.

Ok…but a kid good enough to get recruited at Vanderbilt would be the best kid on any Ivy team…in fact they wouldn’t even bother trying to recruit them they would be so good. It’s a completely different level.

My kid is on a team with a kid gong to play for Penn…he’s a great player, but not All State nor even made varsity until a junior. It absolutely helped that the club coach knows the Penn coaching staff well (the team has probably sent 5 kids to Penn over the last 7 years) and they have a track record with their kids.

Actually, there are SEC-type players on those teams and schools all over. There is A LOT of movement among teams as kids get bigger and stronger and develop through their first and second years playing college ball. It’s night and day in some cases. Don’t sweat it - find a team/coach/school that’s a fit and will support your DS’s development.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There are many degrees of D1 talent.

If you are someone that Vanderbilt would recruit, then yes, your talent is clear.

However, if you are someone that is Fordham or Ivy or Patriot League D1 level (meaning, that would be your upper limit of athletic ability)...that's not such an easy call and it matters that a club coach knows those coaches, understands which schools are recruiting for what slots and makes sure you get in front of them.

You have to be an incredibly good player to attend any of these schools for baseball. I highly doubt a travel coach would do anything to sway the recruitment for these schools. D3 no name schools, maybe. Ivy's? Not a chance.

If you're not an All State player and a three year or four year varsity starter then chances are you aren't playing at an Ivy or Patriot league school.

Ok…but a kid good enough to get recruited at Vanderbilt would be the best kid on any Ivy team…in fact they wouldn’t even bother trying to recruit them they would be so good. It’s a completely different level.

My kid is on a team with a kid gong to play for Penn…he’s a great player, but not All State nor even made varsity until a junior. It absolutely helped that the club coach knows the Penn coaching staff well (the team has probably sent 5 kids to Penn over the last 7 years) and they have a track record with their kids.

Actually, there are SEC-type players on those teams and schools all over. There is A LOT of movement among teams as kids get bigger and stronger and develop through their first and second years playing college ball. It’s night and day in some cases. Don’t sweat it - find a team/coach/school that’s a fit and will support your DS’s development.

Yes…kids do get bigger, better and stronger and do transfer, but the Ivy kid recruited out of HS is not getting many if any looks from an SEC program.

Also, it’s not easy transferring into an Ivy…your grades have to be strong in real classes, you need to apply before the Ivy transfer deadline, etc.

It’s not like transferring to Alabama where you can transfer in August and show up for the first day of class the next day.

The huge selling point from multiple Ivy coaches is that it’s just hard for kids to transfer from Power 4 schools and take your spot…so the team will be largely unchanged other than kids recruited in behind you.

Ivy schools also don’t allow grad students to play, other than they made a temporary Covid exception.

[Anonymous]

OP here. Lots of helpful information on this thread, but I may be more confused than ever. Should we be looking for a higher level travel team for his freshman Fall season? Seems like it would keep his reps up for the Spring season (he wants to go out for Varsity as a freshman and may have a shot since he's just attending our public HS). OR, do we skip Fall ball altogether and just do one-on-one coaching and weight training?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DS is entering HS this Fall, and we need to find a new baseball team for the Fall. Which area teams actually send kids to D1 - which is DS's ultimate goal. He's a really good athlete and plays higher level travel ball now with lots of showball. We're not baseball savvy enough to know if he ultimately has what it takes, but he's athletic and competitive enough that we want to help him reach for it.

TIA.

Decent thread but it got somewhat diverted from OP's original question. For teams, kid should take a look at Richmond Braves, Mid-Atlantic Red Sox, DMV Prospects, Ole Liners.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Lots of helpful information on this thread, but I may be more confused than ever. Should we be looking for a higher level travel team for his freshman Fall season? Seems like it would keep his reps up for the Spring season (he wants to go out for Varsity as a freshman and may have a shot since he's just attending our public HS). OR, do we skip Fall ball altogether and just do one-on-one coaching and weight training?

You don't need to join a super-competitive team as a freshman if you do club ball...you should look into whether your HS has a relationship with a travel program which is both good and bad. For example, if your kid is going to Madison then he should probably seriously consider MVP if he wants to get on the radar of the Madison coaches. Unfortunately, Primetime Baseball (Yorktown and O"Connell coaches) is the opposite where the program is so shitty and the coaches so corrupt...that it may be better to avoid entirely (which doesn't seem to impact kids making the team...almost better that they don't have their hooks into you).

I think you would be just as well served with training and coaching if the above doesn't apply...and perhaps going out for just a no-cut sport that might help your kid become a better baseball player (and kind of train him as part of the sport). Cross country is good for pitching...I know a bunch of players participate in Ultimate in the Fall which builds up quickness and speed...if you want to be a bit nuts, you can row crew which will really build up some strength.

[Anonymous]

These last two replies are very helpful. We're in a similar boat. Our DS is at Jackson Reed and we've been told to look into the DC Reds, which appears to be a combo of Dynasty and Gatorball. He wants to make Varsity his Sophomore year. I'm hesitant to make the switch to a new-ish org and not sure that it will make a significant impact to play for this league when the school is JR.

Would also appreciate more info on DMV Prospects vs Ole Liners. I've heard Prospects are mainly if you want D3.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There are many degrees of D1 talent.

If you are someone that Vanderbilt would recruit, then yes, your talent is clear.

However, if you are someone that is Fordham or Ivy or Patriot League D1 level (meaning, that would be your upper limit of athletic ability)...that's not such an easy call and it matters that a club coach knows those coaches, understands which schools are recruiting for what slots and makes sure you get in front of them.

You have to be an incredibly good player to attend any of these schools for baseball. I highly doubt a travel coach would do anything to sway the recruitment for these schools. D3 no name schools, maybe. Ivy's? Not a chance.

If you're not an All State player and a three year or four year varsity starter then chances are you aren't playing at an Ivy or Patriot league school.

Ok…but a kid good enough to get recruited at Vanderbilt would be the best kid on any Ivy team…in fact they wouldn’t even bother trying to recruit them they would be so good. It’s a completely different level.

My kid is on a team with a kid gong to play for Penn…he’s a great player, but not All State nor even made varsity until a junior. It absolutely helped that the club coach knows the Penn coaching staff well (the team has probably sent 5 kids to Penn over the last 7 years) and they have a track record with their kids.

Two things -

1. Go look at the Penn roster. Nearly every player on there was a stud in HS. I can't find one player who didn't have a shot at other high D1 schools. Playing D1 is very very hard and the difference between Vandy and Penn players is not as big as you think.

2. Going to Penn means nothing. Come back when the guy signed a letter, made the team and has playing time.

Dude..I am quite familiar with the Penn baseball team, the coaches and their recruiting.

The kid committed to Penn is a 2025 grad…so he has signed his letter and it would be shocking for him to not make the team.

You are crazy to think those kids had much of a shot at a Power 4 D1. The Penn coaches will even admit this.

I mean, I guess everybody has a shot…but no way in hell that Penn and Power 4 programs are actively trying to recruit the same kid.

You're making it sound like playing a Penn or Brown isn't that hard. Every single player on the roster was a stud in high school and not some role player on their varsity team. The gap between the Penn players and your average Varsity/youth travel ball player is huge.

They do have to be strong players…but the number 8-10 recruits could just have easily dropped down to play at a JHU and vice versa. There isn’t some obvious dividing line.

I think the point is that playing college ball is very very hard. And if you aren't an absolute stud in high school than the odds are very low that you will actually play for any college team. Even the JHU roster is packed with kids who were all conf/all state and played multiple sports. So if you're just a roll player on your travel/varsity team then just enjoy the ride and don't take it too serious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These last two replies are very helpful. We're in a similar boat. Our DS is at Jackson Reed and we've been told to look into the DC Reds, which appears to be a combo of Dynasty and Gatorball. He wants to make Varsity his Sophomore year. I'm hesitant to make the switch to a new-ish org and not sure that it will make a significant impact to play for this league when the school is JR.

Would also appreciate more info on DMV Prospects vs Ole Liners. I've heard Prospects are mainly if you want D3.

Yes, DC Reds has many JR players as Gatorball has disbanded, however, the coach understands that kids will play for other programs, especially kids that are possibly D1 prospects that play for other clubs at older ages (16u and 17u). If your kid is really that strong, the coach will notice. More important to participate in their Spring training DR trip if you can afford it (which also gets you CS hours).

I don't know anything about Ole Liners, but yes DMV Prospects kids are primarily D3 recruits. It is run by the Whitman HS coach, and supporting coaches are from BCC, Walter Johnson et al. It is primarily MoCo players, though some DC private school kids have also participated.

[Anonymous]

Many tryouts are already happening. Was he let go from his current team?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There are many degrees of D1 talent.

If you are someone that Vanderbilt would recruit, then yes, your talent is clear.

However, if you are someone that is Fordham or Ivy or Patriot League D1 level (meaning, that would be your upper limit of athletic ability)...that's not such an easy call and it matters that a club coach knows those coaches, understands which schools are recruiting for what slots and makes sure you get in front of them.

You have to be an incredibly good player to attend any of these schools for baseball. I highly doubt a travel coach would do anything to sway the recruitment for these schools. D3 no name schools, maybe. Ivy's? Not a chance.

If you're not an All State player and a three year or four year varsity starter then chances are you aren't playing at an Ivy or Patriot league school.

Ok…but a kid good enough to get recruited at Vanderbilt would be the best kid on any Ivy team…in fact they wouldn’t even bother trying to recruit them they would be so good. It’s a completely different level.

My kid is on a team with a kid gong to play for Penn…he’s a great player, but not All State nor even made varsity until a junior. It absolutely helped that the club coach knows the Penn coaching staff well (the team has probably sent 5 kids to Penn over the last 7 years) and they have a track record with their kids.

Two things -

1. Go look at the Penn roster. Nearly every player on there was a stud in HS. I can't find one player who didn't have a shot at other high D1 schools. Playing D1 is very very hard and the difference between Vandy and Penn players is not as big as you think.

2. Going to Penn means nothing. Come back when the guy signed a letter, made the team and has playing time.

Dude..I am quite familiar with the Penn baseball team, the coaches and their recruiting.

The kid committed to Penn is a 2025 grad…so he has signed his letter and it would be shocking for him to not make the team.

You are crazy to think those kids had much of a shot at a Power 4 D1. The Penn coaches will even admit this.

I mean, I guess everybody has a shot…but no way in hell that Penn and Power 4 programs are actively trying to recruit the same kid.

You're making it sound like playing a Penn or Brown isn't that hard. Every single player on the roster was a stud in high school and not some role player on their varsity team. The gap between the Penn players and your average Varsity/youth travel ball player is huge.

They do have to be strong players…but the number 8-10 recruits could just have easily dropped down to play at a JHU and vice versa. There isn’t some obvious dividing line.

I think the point is that playing college ball is very very hard. And if you aren't an absolute stud in high school than the odds are very low that you will actually play for any college team. Even the JHU roster is packed with kids who were all conf/all state and played multiple sports. So if you're just a roll player on your travel/varsity team then just enjoy the ride and don't take it too serious.

I don't know how you would know that unless you know a kid personally or you do a Google search on each player. I just looked at the current freshman on the JHU roster and the Bios are short and sweet...played high school baseball at X and played club baseball at Y. Only one freshman lists another HS sport besides baseball, and only one indicates an all-conference/all state kind of accolade.

JHU is tricky because they let grad students play.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DS is entering HS this Fall, and we need to find a new baseball team for the Fall. Which area teams actually send kids to D1 - which is DS's ultimate goal. He's a really good athlete and plays higher level travel ball now with lots of showball. We're not baseball savvy enough to know if he ultimately has what it takes, but he's athletic and competitive enough that we want to help him reach for it.

TIA.

This is going to sound contrarian, but if he’s serious about D1, don’t waste your time with fall ball. Instead, spend those precious hours living in the weight room, weekly high quality position appropriate lessons, and monthly meeting with nutritionist. Do this for the next 24 months. In the past 3 years it’s become exponentially harder for a HS baseball player to get D1 recruited. There are literally thousands of proven college baseball players currently in the transfer portal. Unless he has a high ceiling as a pitcher or gifted middle infielder, he needs to get huge and get fast in order to have a shot without going the JUCO route to mature physically.

Yes, this. Fall ball will just eat up time that he could be training or working out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Lots of helpful information on this thread, but I may be more confused than ever. Should we be looking for a higher level travel team for his freshman Fall season? Seems like it would keep his reps up for the Spring season (he wants to go out for Varsity as a freshman and may have a shot since he's just attending our public HS). OR, do we skip Fall ball altogether and just do one-on-one coaching and weight training?

You don't need to join a super-competitive team as a freshman if you do club ball...you should look into whether your HS has a relationship with a travel program which is both good and bad. For example, if your kid is going to Madison then he should probably seriously consider MVP if he wants to get on the radar of the Madison coaches. Unfortunately, Primetime Baseball (Yorktown and O"Connell coaches) is the opposite where the program is so shitty and the coaches so corrupt...that it may be better to avoid entirely (which doesn't seem to impact kids making the team...almost better that they don't have their hooks into you).

I think you would be just as well served with training and coaching if the above doesn't apply...and perhaps going out for just a no-cut sport that might help your kid become a better baseball player (and kind of train him as part of the sport). Cross country is good for pitching...I know a bunch of players participate in Ultimate in the Fall which builds up quickness and speed...if you want to be a bit nuts, you can row crew which will really build up some strength.

What do we do if our kid lives in the Yorktown district?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Lots of helpful information on this thread, but I may be more confused than ever. Should we be looking for a higher level travel team for his freshman Fall season? Seems like it would keep his reps up for the Spring season (he wants to go out for Varsity as a freshman and may have a shot since he's just attending our public HS). OR, do we skip Fall ball altogether and just do one-on-one coaching and weight training?

You don't need to join a super-competitive team as a freshman if you do club ball...you should look into whether your HS has a relationship with a travel program which is both good and bad. For example, if your kid is going to Madison then he should probably seriously consider MVP if he wants to get on the radar of the Madison coaches. Unfortunately, Primetime Baseball (Yorktown and O"Connell coaches) is the opposite where the program is so shitty and the coaches so corrupt...that it may be better to avoid entirely (which doesn't seem to impact kids making the team...almost better that they don't have their hooks into you).

I think you would be just as well served with training and coaching if the above doesn't apply...and perhaps going out for just a no-cut sport that might help your kid become a better baseball player (and kind of train him as part of the sport). Cross country is good for pitching...I know a bunch of players participate in Ultimate in the Fall which builds up quickness and speed...if you want to be a bit nuts, you can row crew which will really build up some strength.

What do we do if our kid lives in the Yorktown district?

Others can chime in...but go look at the lengthy thread titled "Primetime Baseball Scumbags".