AI Jobpocalypse - Another angle of class warfare

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m tired of these threads. If it truly gets to a point where no one can get a job, there is no money for food, fighting in the streets, whatever, I’d just shoot myself. But there is nothing we can do about this.

I’m tired of these, too. It’s every day a new doomsday thread about AI…I feel like it’s a bit of something. I posted about this but my post was removed.
What is the bot hoping to achieve?

They do seem like bot posts. I was trying to put my finger on it.

AI promoting itself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here are some things we know -

The tech industry is driven by hyperbole and promises of absurd growth. Wall Street loves eliminating jobs and automation. Companies that are tech focused, or are actively incorporating tech advances, are viewed favorably. Everyone in this situation has a strong incentive to play up continued advances now matter how specious.

We also know that we do not even understand intelligence, a fact that AI researches are frustrated about, having been waiting for quite some time more insight into how to construct an artificial equivalent. The current batch of models impress with their language ability on face value. However, they're already levered up the extreme in terms of data, resource consumption, and fiddling with the underlying model architecture. Unlike previous advances in tech like the web and smartphones, there is no clear path forward to continued advancement. The companies working on the models are burning many billions attempting to lure people in, however, still no killer product. Disappointing usage given the amount of growth that needs to occur to plausibly one day turn a profit.

The models perform text completions. There is 0 intelligence or reasoning ability. They can plausibly automate some tasks with a human in the loop. The industry will throw out terms such as 'reasoning' and 'agents', but it is essentially the same models just 'talking' to each other and not any form of intelligence. The industry will continue to try and ride the hype hoping someone, somewhere, has a breakthrough. The odds are the bubble pops and these companies go bankrupt/divest (as we already see evidence of them doing).

Where's the AGI again? Next year? Again next year? The year after?

Ironically, this reads like it was written by a chatbot. Sounds informed on casual reading, but doesn't actually make sense.

[Anonymous]

NP. Generative AI is interesting in that it is a potentially breakthrough technology that requires extreme wealth and infrastructure to run. That means a lot of the proponents are people with deep pockets for shaping narratives, paying for hype, sophisticated marketing teams, etc. A lot of the discussion, including negative discussion which posits all white-collar jobs will disappear, is nothing but marketing hype.

I am a sophisticated user of AI and I have been in the field for a long time. These models are great at some things. But they have serious flaws. And I don’t see that disappearing soon.

Take a basic example: ChatGPT hasn’t figured out how to insert ads into its chatbot. It’s basic and if it could be done easily, they would have, to offset their enormous costs. But advertisers will not pay for inaccuracy. They need to know who they are reaching, what they are told, etc. They have to control their product messaging and that does not leave room for hallucinations. Meanwhile, the costs are staggering.

I’m skeptical across the board: it is and will be useful but we are a long way from a full white collar job apocalypse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I’m skeptical across the board: it is and will be useful but we are a long way from a full white collar job apocalypse.

I don't think it will happen all at once like an apocalypse, but a gradual trend that might have some fast changing times and slower ones.

Just like automobiles didn't replace horses immediately as there were holdouts and those without the money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:dont worry, there will still be jobs in police, military and private security, to keep order through threat of violence. We will still create things like drugs, alcohol, and junk food, as well as 'content' to keep people entertained and docile.

We will need less police offices because we can use machine learning to predict who is more more likely to commit certain crimes. And AI can do the paperwork etc.

Rome eventually collapsed...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Once the AIocalypse happens, who will all these companies sell things to? If no one has jobs, how will they buy cars, vacations, clothes, movies, electronics, homes, shoes, and basically every consumable product possible?

Even non-white collar jobs will get slammed. Who's going to hire all of the electricians, plumbers, carparenters, masons, etc. when no one has money for things like home repairs due to job loss?

Corporate America will get what it wants with AI rollout, but then they'll cry later with a shocked Pikachu face when the entire economy tanks because no one has money anymore to buy anything.

AI will actually devolve the world. Get ready to go back to agrarian societies where no one participates in a money based society. We will all have to grow our own stuff and barter with each other for good and services.

Forced sales

A strange socialism

Subscription everything. And guess what, it adds up to every single dollar you have.

That.

[Anonymous]

AI won't get rid of all jobs, but will change what jobs are there. It is making things faster and easier. It is not perfect or even great...yet. It is getting better at exponential speed - exponential growth is something most people don't understand (as made obvious during covid). It will not eliminate all jobs but will make less jobs in several sectors. I don't know exactly which jobs and where - no one does. But it will make a change.

[Anonymous]

Invest in AI startups and real estate, and then give the proceeds to your kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:dont worry, there will still be jobs in police, military and private security, to keep order through threat of violence. We will still create things like drugs, alcohol, and junk food, as well as 'content' to keep people entertained and docile.

We will need less police offices because we can use machine learning to predict who is more more likely to commit certain crimes. And AI can do the paperwork etc.

Rome eventually collapsed...

Minority report without the consumerism.

[Anonymous]

“..there is always soma, delicious soma, half a gramme for a half-holiday, a gramme for a week-end, two grammes for a trip to the gorgeous East, three for a dark eternity on the moon...”
― Aldous Huxley, Brave New World

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All this AI talk has replaced the Metaverse talk that was prevalent only a few years ago.
All vague promises and the 4th estate needs to stay relevant by trumpeting SOMETHING.

Still waiting for all of the truck drivers to lose their jobs to self-driving trucks. It’s been, what, 10 years?

Cashiers seem pretty stable

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All this AI talk has replaced the Metaverse talk that was prevalent only a few years ago.
All vague promises and the 4th estate needs to stay relevant by trumpeting SOMETHING.

Still waiting for all of the truck drivers to lose their jobs to self-driving trucks. It’s been, what, 10 years?

Cashiers seem pretty stable

An attempt at humor I suppose?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:dont worry, there will still be jobs in police, military and private security, to keep order through threat of violence. We will still create things like drugs, alcohol, and junk food, as well as 'content' to keep people entertained and docile.

We will need less police offices because we can use machine learning to predict who is more more likely to commit certain crimes. And AI can do the paperwork etc.

Rome eventually collapsed...

Due to unchecked immigration from the east. Vandals, Goths, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m tired of these threads. If it truly gets to a point where no one can get a job, there is no money for food, fighting in the streets, whatever, I’d just shoot myself. But there is nothing we can do about this.

This is exactly how I feel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m tired of these threads. If it truly gets to a point where no one can get a job, there is no money for food, fighting in the streets, whatever, I’d just shoot myself. But there is nothing we can do about this.

This is exactly how I feel.

It's not so bleak. Wouldn't you like robot slaves to do the work for you? You send them to work, while you don't have to.