Should influencers be allowed to sue to block public records requests?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The deaths of ok baby and Trigg within a few weeks make me wonder if there isn’t something about mom influencing that increase the chance of accidental death. There were rumors ok baby wasn’t fully strapped into his car seat in the one car accident that led to his death, and Emilie allegedly decided against the pool fence for aesthetic reasons.

I think once you are down the path of using your family to vlog/make money, you have already cast off several layers of child safety recommendations. So why wouldn't that cavalier attitude extend to car seats and pool safety?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The deaths of ok baby and Trigg within a few weeks make me wonder if there isn’t something about mom influencing that increase the chance of accidental death. There were rumors ok baby wasn’t fully strapped into his car seat in the one car accident that led to his death, and Emilie allegedly decided against the pool fence for aesthetic reasons.

I think once you are down the path of using your family to vlog/make money, you have already cast off several layers of child safety recommendations. So why wouldn't that cavalier attitude extend to car seats and pool safety?

Good point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The law should be changed so that these records are not available to the public in general.

For example, these are the rules to get a copy of a marriage license in NYC. There should be something similar for the death certificate. It would be better to have those records anonymized, where you could get general statistics of how many people die of certain things. No reason for it to be public.

Who is eligible to order a certified copy of a marriage record?

People eligible to get a marriage certificate:

Spouses
Other people who have a:
documented judicial or other proper purpose
New York State Court Order

If you are not a spouse, you must document a judicial or other proper purpose. For example, you may need a marriage certificate to claim a benefit. You would need an official letter from the agency saying that you need the marriage record to process the claim.

I disagree with death, marriage and divorce records being private. They should not be. Redact any PII, but they should be releasable. There's lot of reasons they're needed. The biggest one is so that cheaters can be found out easier.

Police reports should not be public because they’re full of lies. They’re just information the police collected at the scene. Statements are often false or lies.

A police investigation on the other hand that has facts in it should be public.

I do not want to see police reports. It would also take A LOT of public funds to make them all public. Just sifting through PII to release them all is $$$.

[Anonymous]

I assume she wouldn't collect insurance money if she was negligent so perhaps she's deleting that evidence

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I assume she wouldn't collect insurance money if she was negligent so perhaps she's deleting that evidence

What insurance money?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, but also, death records of children shouldn't be made available to the public, IMO. That goes for all children.

But also, how much does Emilie wish she'd gone with the ugly, un-aesthetic pool fence right about now?

I wonder if she even has homeowners insurance. I had to provide so much proof of my safety items (fence height, childproof locks) before I could get insurance.

She could have been in compliance with the law without the gates. I live in AZ, don't have gates and am in full compliance with the laws. Gates are not required as long as you have other safety measures in place-self closing doors with latches, handles above a certain height, non opening windows into the pool area, etc. It was stupid not to have gates with a toddler but probably not illegal.

[Anonymous]

OP, see how you posted this under “entertainment”? Entertainment is their chosen job.

They also have a right to a private life. Just like everyone else.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm assuming the judges are deciding these cases on an individual level according to the facts. So, I'll trust them to make the decisions.

I would like the judge to say to her, “oh, so you think there is too much public interest in the death of your child? Maybe you should have thought about that before selling your family for profit.”

Does the public really need to see video footage of the child drowning??? No, they don't.

She is trying to block the death certificate, the 911 call, and the police report. All things that are routinely released in court proceedings, etc. At any point in her life prior to this happening, she would have viewed this much interest in her as a reflection of her awesomeness and her being a “girl boss.”

If my child died, the public would not care because I don’t put my life out there on sale for the world. She does.

But yes, you are right I absolutely loathe influencers and struggle to find any empathy when things go poorly for them. My first thought was that she was probably filming/editing/prepping while her unattended three year old wandered outside.

NP. If you truly loathed them, you would ignore them and not consume their product. But you do. A hate view or a smug view is still a view. YOU are giving them a monetized incentive to keep going.

You are feeding on the flesh of those children, too. Just because you claim to detest the feast doesn’t make you less a part of the cycle.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the hate towards mom influencers is way out of proportion.

Look, we’ve set up a society where moms are expected to stay home and parent 24/7, yes also expected to contribute 50% of the finances. Most men cannot afford to provide for a family on their salary alone. Some moms found a way to both stay home and make money. Good for them. I’m not going to fault them for finding a solution in a nearly impossible set of circumstances.

People also think the life of an influencer is easy. Take some pictures, post videos. It’s not. It is a grind. Landing one brand deal takes weeks if not months.

Because they're so FAKE. That's why they get all the hate that they do. I truly think these influencers are the downfall of our society. They push products we don't need, lifestyles that make us upset with our own and pretend they're better people than us.

PP, where is your impassioned takedown of the fashion industry? Movie and music industries? Magazines and tabloids? Lifestyle shows and brands? The car industry and all of its advertising? All advertising and marketing, for that matter? How about all churches? All political organizations and nonprofits? Wall Street?

You consume and consume all of the above. And clearly you’ve consumed enough mommy blogger content to have such strong opinion. Mmmmmm, doesn’t it feel so good to be so superior to them? As you line their pockets and boost their algorithms?

You massive hypocrite.

[Anonymous]

Less than a month after my child died, the last thing I would ever be thinking about by of is what people are saying about me.

[Anonymous]

The parasocial relationships people have with influencers is so weird. I can't imagine ever wanting to look up details of someone's child's death. But I've never understood the whole influencer culture, especially the mom/family ones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Less than a month after my child died, the last thing I would ever be thinking about by of is what people are saying about me.

I mean, would people be starting threads about you and trying to get video footage? You don’t know what you would do or feel if people came with FOIA requests instead of a casserole.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Less than a month after my child died, the last thing I would ever be thinking about by of is what people are saying about me.

I mean, would people be starting threads about you and trying to get video footage? You don’t know what you would do or feel if people came with FOIA requests instead of a casserole.

Again, I’d be trying to breathe not manage my public image.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, but also, death records of children shouldn't be made available to the public, IMO. That goes for all children.

But also, how much does Emilie wish she'd gone with the ugly, un-aesthetic pool fence right about now?

I wonder if she even has homeowners insurance. I had to provide so much proof of my safety items (fence height, childproof locks) before I could get insurance.

She could have been in compliance with the law without the gates. I live in AZ, don't have gates and am in full compliance with the laws. Gates are not required as long as you have other safety measures in place-self closing doors with latches, handles above a certain height, non opening windows into the pool area, etc. It was stupid not to have gates with a toddler but probably not illegal.

She filmed the child opening the door to the pool. By himself. While she filmed it and put it on the internet. It was the last TikTok she made before he drowned.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The law should be changed so that these records are not available to the public in general.

For example, these are the rules to get a copy of a marriage license in NYC. There should be something similar for the death certificate. It would be better to have those records anonymized, where you could get general statistics of how many people die of certain things. No reason for it to be public.

Who is eligible to order a certified copy of a marriage record?

People eligible to get a marriage certificate:

Spouses
Other people who have a:
documented judicial or other proper purpose
New York State Court Order

If you are not a spouse, you must document a judicial or other proper purpose. For example, you may need a marriage certificate to claim a benefit. You would need an official letter from the agency saying that you need the marriage record to process the claim.

I disagree with death, marriage and divorce records being private. They should not be. Redact any PII, but they should be releasable. There's lot of reasons they're needed. The biggest one is so that cheaters can be found out easier.

Police reports should not be public because they’re full of lies. They’re just information the police collected at the scene. Statements are often false or lies.

A police investigation on the other hand that has facts in it should be public.

I do not want to see police reports. It would also take A LOT of public funds to make them all public. Just sifting through PII to release them all is $$$.

Former county attorney here - it does take public funds to respond to FOIA requests and municipalities are allowed by law to charge reasonable fees for copies of records provided.

Are you an American? Just wondering why you’d have an attitude that public records shouldn’t be provided due to cost. This is a freedom of speech issue and a functional democracy issue and the FOIA laws were a hard won accomplishment for the people and their right to transparency in government.

Police reports from an incident scene are the first step in a police investigation - this case as I understand it is still under investigation.

With all that we’ve learned as a society about police misconduct and the need for reform, it is hard to grasp why anyone would argue for greater restrictions on police public records.