Brown: After College?

[Anonymous]

Nobody takes p/f in required core courses for their majors, as they are also highly counseled not too. Most are on the full letter grade system for 99% of their course and there is very little wiggle room, not inflation. 89.99% —sorry kid- it’s a B for the year. The university paper had a recent article about the turn to much harder grading, fewer As. But what do I know with two kids currently there and talking to their roommates and friends….

Lots and LOTS of time is spent in the library. Anybody thinking it’s easy is in for a huge wake up call. My kids attended a very rigorous, grade deflated HS and were drowning in reading material, etc. they said what they were assigned for 1 week was about what they would be assigned 4-6 weeks in high school. Our response: welcome to the Ivies, kid.

Brown has changed a lot too. It’s nothing like 1990.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Well, the grading at Brown is clearly quite liberal.

I know some of you won't believe me, but it actually isn't. The difference is that you can choose which courses you want to get a grade in and grades below C or satisfactory aren't recorded--and you don't get credit for them. So, most people have high gpas.

But getting an A in any given course isn't any easier than elsewhere. Organic chem weeds out as many premeds as it does at other colleges, for example. However, Brown premeds take courses, including tough courses, in other areas. They just don't take them for grades. Meanwhile, at other colleges many premeds take only the easiest courses they can outside their major because they don't want to tank their gpas for med school.It is not unknown for native speakers in a language to sign up for introductory foreign language courses.

Humanities students at other colleges fulfill their distribution requirements with "physics for poets," "Rocks for Jocks," and Engineering 1o1 (colloquially known as "How to Plug In a Computer and use the calculator function."

In the old days, premeds at other top schools even skipped taking organic chem at their home institution and flocked to summer course at places like the University of Houston where they were virtually guaranteed an easy A--in part because they took ONLY that one course during the summer. A few years back, the med school admissions council--forget the exact name--changed the rules so you can[t do that.

Some schools advertise that you can take a limited number of courses--say 2 or 4--pass/fail. The small print says "with permission of the instructor." At some schools, professors teaching popular courses or advanced courses NEVER give permission. At some schools, these pass/fail grades are factored into your gpa or counted against you for getting awards like Phi Beta Kappa. So, most students opt for taking the easy gut course for a grade rather than a better course they would rather take pass/fail.

A PP cited the case of her son who took a course outside his comfort zone S/NC and discovering that this was a field that he was interested in and excelled in. At another school, he never would have done that.

Brown literally encourages students to take Organic Chemistry pass fail because they don't want it to be a weed out course.

What are you even talking about?! I have a Brown premed. You literally can’t take it P/F for med school? Brown doesn’t “encourage” anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Well, the grading at Brown is clearly quite liberal.

I know some of you won't believe me, but it actually isn't. The difference is that you can choose which courses you want to get a grade in and grades below C or satisfactory aren't recorded--and you don't get credit for them. So, most people have high gpas.

But getting an A in any given course isn't any easier than elsewhere. Organic chem weeds out as many premeds as it does at other colleges, for example. However, Brown premeds take courses, including tough courses, in other areas. They just don't take them for grades. Meanwhile, at other colleges many premeds take only the easiest courses they can outside their major because they don't want to tank their gpas for med school.It is not unknown for native speakers in a language to sign up for introductory foreign language courses.

Humanities students at other colleges fulfill their distribution requirements with "physics for poets," "Rocks for Jocks," and Engineering 1o1 (colloquially known as "How to Plug In a Computer and use the calculator function."

In the old days, premeds at other top schools even skipped taking organic chem at their home institution and flocked to summer course at places like the University of Houston where they were virtually guaranteed an easy A--in part because they took ONLY that one course during the summer. A few years back, the med school admissions council--forget the exact name--changed the rules so you can[t do that.

Some schools advertise that you can take a limited number of courses--say 2 or 4--pass/fail. The small print says "with permission of the instructor." At some schools, professors teaching popular courses or advanced courses NEVER give permission. At some schools, these pass/fail grades are factored into your gpa or counted against you for getting awards like Phi Beta Kappa. So, most students opt for taking the easy gut course for a grade rather than a better course they would rather take pass/fail.

A PP cited the case of her son who took a course outside his comfort zone S/NC and discovering that this was a field that he was interested in and excelled in. At another school, he never would have done that.

Brown literally encourages students to take Organic Chemistry pass fail because they don't want it to be a weed out course.

What are you even talking about?! I have a Brown premed. You literally can’t take it P/F for med school? Brown doesn’t “encourage” anything.

+100

The person is like Trump. Spout a ton of Bullsh@t like it’s facts, when they don’t know wtf they are talking about.

[Anonymous]

^did Biden ever spout?

[Anonymous]

My kid graduated Sunday. Chemistry. Going to med school. At the departmental graduation, they mentioned what plans graduates had for the following year. The majority was med school, or gap year and applying to med school. Several staying for Masters. Several Fulbright scholars or working in a lab continuing their research and a handful of PhD acceptances. It was very, very impressive.

To confirm- STEM kids don’t take science classes P/F.

[Anonymous]

Brown was a top placer and way ahead of Princeton in the recent Putnam Math Competition. Princeton falling and Brown rising. You people are so out of date with these schools. MIT came in predictably first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Well, the grading at Brown is clearly quite liberal.

I know some of you won't believe me, but it actually isn't. The difference is that you can choose which courses you want to get a grade in and grades below C or satisfactory aren't recorded--and you don't get credit for them. So, most people have high gpas.

But getting an A in any given course isn't any easier than elsewhere. Organic chem weeds out as many premeds as it does at other colleges, for example. However, Brown premeds take courses, including tough courses, in other areas. They just don't take them for grades. Meanwhile, at other colleges many premeds take only the easiest courses they can outside their major because they don't want to tank their gpas for med school.It is not unknown for native speakers in a language to sign up for introductory foreign language courses.

Humanities students at other colleges fulfill their distribution requirements with "physics for poets," "Rocks for Jocks," and Engineering 1o1 (colloquially known as "How to Plug In a Computer and use the calculator function."

In the old days, premeds at other top schools even skipped taking organic chem at their home institution and flocked to summer course at places like the University of Houston where they were virtually guaranteed an easy A--in part because they took ONLY that one course during the summer. A few years back, the med school admissions council--forget the exact name--changed the rules so you can[t do that.

Some schools advertise that you can take a limited number of courses--say 2 or 4--pass/fail. The small print says "with permission of the instructor." At some schools, professors teaching popular courses or advanced courses NEVER give permission. At some schools, these pass/fail grades are factored into your gpa or counted against you for getting awards like Phi Beta Kappa. So, most students opt for taking the easy gut course for a grade rather than a better course they would rather take pass/fail.

A PP cited the case of her son who took a course outside his comfort zone S/NC and discovering that this was a field that he was interested in and excelled in. At another school, he never would have done that.

Brown literally encourages students to take Organic Chemistry pass fail because they don't want it to be a weed out course.

What are you even talking about?! I have a Brown premed. You literally can’t take it P/F for med school? Brown doesn’t “encourage” anything.

Agree, total BS and does not have a kid at Brown or any other top school. Our nephew is at Brown and I have two at two other ivies. They are hard: the students spend hours and hours in the library/studying each week. All three have above 3.85 but work their butts off to stay that high.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These people who say Brown/Cornell are easy… I’d like to see them get in and do well.

Clear case of sour grapes.

I have never heard that said of Cornell. Brown has perhaps the highest average undergraduate GPAs. That is what is commented there because so many As are awarded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Brown was a top placer and way ahead of Princeton in the recent Putnam Math Competition. Princeton falling and Brown rising. You people are so out of date with these schools. MIT came in predictably first.

Brown was not in top 5 and is rarely listed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These people who say Brown/Cornell are easy… I’d like to see them get in and do well.

Clear case of sour grapes.

I have never heard that said of Cornell. Brown has perhaps the highest average undergraduate GPAs. That is what is commented there because so many As are awarded.

Something like 81% of letter grades awarded are As.

[Anonymous]

Went to Brown. Graduated 20 years ago. Placed plenty of grads into investment banking and consulting and law and med, and an equal number forever finding their way. It really is up to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brown was a top placer and way ahead of Princeton in the recent Putnam Math Competition. Princeton falling and Brown rising. You people are so out of date with these schools. MIT came in predictably first.

Brown was not in top 5 and is rarely listed.

Exactly. The top five teams in 2024 were:

Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Princeton University
Harvard University
Stanford University
University of California, Los Angeles

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brown was a top placer and way ahead of Princeton in the recent Putnam Math Competition. Princeton falling and Brown rising. You people are so out of date with these schools. MIT came in predictably first.

Brown was not in top 5 and is rarely listed.

Exactly. The top five teams in 2024 were:

Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Princeton University
Harvard University
Stanford University
University of California, Los Angeles

Wrong. The competition on December 6, 2024, the results were:

MIT
Harvard
Stanford
Carnegie Mellon
UC Santa Barbara

Brown
University of Chicago
University of Maryland
University of Michigan
University of Waterloo

Princeton was literally not in the top 10.

[Anonymous]

Sorry, date was December 7, 2024 Putnam Math Competition, which was the most recent. See the website.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nobody takes p/f in required core courses for their majors, as they are also highly counseled not too. Most are on the full letter grade system for 99% of their course and there is very little wiggle room, not inflation. 89.99% —sorry kid- it’s a B for the year. The university paper had a recent article about the turn to much harder grading, fewer As. But what do I know with two kids currently there and talking to their roommates and friends….

Lots and LOTS of time is spent in the library. Anybody thinking it’s easy is in for a huge wake up call. My kids attended a very rigorous, grade deflated HS and were drowning in reading material, etc. they said what they were assigned for 1 week was about what they would be assigned 4-6 weeks in high school. Our response: welcome to the Ivies, kid.

Brown has changed a lot too. It’s nothing like 1990.

And I still would not hire any Brown graduate. Bad workers, problem employees. No thanks.