Hiring freeze in academia

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Anonymous wrote:Welp, it's been a good run. Seems like becoming the next Argentina is nearly a fait accompli at this point.

The notion that America is exceptional for some intangible or irrevocable reason has always been absurd. Our power and wealth came from our stable institutions, extensive use of soft power, and from the two industries where we had a massive structural advantages that were hard for any other country to overcome: academia and Hollywood. Stable government institutions are already starting to fail, soft power is gone, and the American cultural brand that supported Hollywood is on the outs. If we allow our best researchers to leave, then there's really nothing left to prevent us from becoming a middle-income country.

Academia and Hollywood were not the two industries that made America dominant in the 20th Century. It was the fact that Europe was destroyed in the wake of WWII, China hadn't risen as a world power, Russia couldn't match American industrial and manufacturing prowess, etc....

Maybe immediately post-WWII, but the last several decades of growth have been driven by America's particular ability to generate new ideas and then start businesses to capitalize on them. We dominated the early Internet because our we invented it with Federal researchers and academic grants, we dominate the tech sector because we import top talent from around the world and make it easier and more profitable for them to develop new ideas here than in their home countries, etc. We are competitive in many other sectors, despite our high labor costs, because of the cultural cachet that America has historically held in most of the world. An image marketed, among other things, by a multibillion dollar film industry that sells people on America's (traditional) ideals. All of those advantages are being dismantled, and we will be much poorer for it.

Btw, I picked Argentina specifically because it was as wealthy as Western Europe after WWII, but declined after an era of populism and instability. It's not an unlikely outcome for us at all.

DP Irony here is that the internet was born on one of those UC campuses.

RIP America as we’ve known it.

I deplore the current assault on research, academia and free speech but the internet was not born on a UC campus -

Tim Berners-Lee, a British scientist, invented the WWW in 1989, while working at CERN on the French Swiss border near Geneva (CEarN is the European Organization for Nuclear Research and subatomic physics in Switzerland).

The irony is that the web was originally conceived and developed to help scientists and researchers in universities and institutes around the world to share info more efficiently. Berners-Lee idealistically shared the IP for free in order to promote sharing of science and knowledge that would help humanity.

Tragically the internet has devolved a cesspool of misinformation contributing to anti democratic trends in Europe and US. Russia and China spend trillions of misinformation in order to manipulate less educated Western citizens towards authoritarian isolationism.

Boelter Hall, UCLA, 1969. The end.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm fine with academia not getting any federal funds. Especially research, there is a pervasive attitude that Americans aren't interested, and they need H-1B. Let the foreigners pay for their own research and skills. Quit training our competition that is what I say.

I could see if the whole academic H-1b worked the way it was sold to us. EG We don't have specific skills, they bring in professors to teach us the skills. However, that isn't the way it works. The H-1b they bring in are horrible at transferring knowledge to Americans, they take lower wages then drive out Americans, and bring in more foreigners, "Because Americans aren't interested."

Bringing in Foreigners to teach us skills, only makes sense if we're actually interested in the skills. Who is going to study for twenty years to work in a cubicle for a median wage and long hours? Bus drivers and plumber's make more money and have more job security.

This is the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

The current administration is questioning whether it is necessary for the U.S. taxpayer to fund various research projects, particularly at universities with large endowments who can easily afford to fund such projects on their own. Likewise, the current administration is freezing funds from going to universities that refuse to enforce their own rules against antisemitism or who are breaking federal law.

No university is entitled to Federal funds.

When can we expect the current administration (and you) to stop with this anti-semitism DEI bullshit and focus instead on discrimination of any person?

The only DEI you seem to have a stomach for is this anti-semitism obsession …

Well, the Jews had to wait for 4 years for a change in presidents to get their share of anti-discrimination enforcement. How about they get their 4 years and we can talk in 2029?

And as for combating discrimination of any person, dismantling DEI is achieving this....

Nah, that doesn’t sound acceptable.

The assertion that anti-discrimination enforcement was withheld over the past four years isn’t compatible with reality; but also, no DEI means no DEI … a carve-out for anti-semitism would actually constitute an emphatic endorsement of DEI.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Welp, it's been a good run. Seems like becoming the next Argentina is nearly a fait accompli at this point.

The notion that America is exceptional for some intangible or irrevocable reason has always been absurd. Our power and wealth came from our stable institutions, extensive use of soft power, and from the two industries where we had a massive structural advantages that were hard for any other country to overcome: academia and Hollywood. Stable government institutions are already starting to fail, soft power is gone, and the American cultural brand that supported Hollywood is on the outs. If we allow our best researchers to leave, then there's really nothing left to prevent us from becoming a middle-income country.

Academia and Hollywood were not the two industries that made America dominant in the 20th Century. It was the fact that Europe was destroyed in the wake of WWII, China hadn't risen as a world power, Russia couldn't match American industrial and manufacturing prowess, etc....

Maybe immediately post-WWII, but the last several decades of growth have been driven by America's particular ability to generate new ideas and then start businesses to capitalize on them. We dominated the early Internet because our we invented it with Federal researchers and academic grants, we dominate the tech sector because we import top talent from around the world and make it easier and more profitable for them to develop new ideas here than in their home countries, etc. We are competitive in many other sectors, despite our high labor costs, because of the cultural cachet that America has historically held in most of the world. An image marketed, among other things, by a multibillion dollar film industry that sells people on America's (traditional) ideals. All of those advantages are being dismantled, and we will be much poorer for it.

Btw, I picked Argentina specifically because it was as wealthy as Western Europe after WWII, but declined after an era of populism and instability. It's not an unlikely outcome for us at all.

DP Irony here is that the internet was born on one of those UC campuses.

RIP America as we’ve known it.

I deplore the current assault on research, academia and free speech but the internet was not born on a UC campus -

Tim Berners-Lee, a British scientist, invented the WWW in 1989, while working at CERN on the French Swiss border near Geneva (CEarN is the European Organization for Nuclear Research and subatomic physics in Switzerland).

The irony is that the web was originally conceived and developed to help scientists and researchers in universities and institutes around the world to share info more efficiently. Berners-Lee idealistically shared the IP for free in order to promote sharing of science and knowledge that would help humanity.

Tragically the internet has devolved a cesspool of misinformation contributing to anti democratic trends in Europe and US. Russia and China spend trillions of misinformation in order to manipulate less educated Western citizens towards authoritarian isolationism.

Boelter Hall, UCLA, 1969. The end.

Not quite and definitely not the end.

Science has a strong tradition of building on work of predecessors but UCLA didn't invent the concept of the internet,

it was the site of the first successful message transmission on the ARPANET, the precursor to the internet, on October 29, 1969.

I would agree that it produced the WWW embryo but not the WWW baby.

Anyway, hopefully we both agree that scientists need to collaborate and communicate effectively to do their work optimally.

It is heart breaking that decades of world class scientific research is under attack.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Welp, it's been a good run. Seems like becoming the next Argentina is nearly a fait accompli at this point.

The notion that America is exceptional for some intangible or irrevocable reason has always been absurd. Our power and wealth came from our stable institutions, extensive use of soft power, and from the two industries where we had a massive structural advantages that were hard for any other country to overcome: academia and Hollywood. Stable government institutions are already starting to fail, soft power is gone, and the American cultural brand that supported Hollywood is on the outs. If we allow our best researchers to leave, then there's really nothing left to prevent us from becoming a middle-income country.

Academia and Hollywood were not the two industries that made America dominant in the 20th Century. It was the fact that Europe was destroyed in the wake of WWII, China hadn't risen as a world power, Russia couldn't match American industrial and manufacturing prowess, etc....

Maybe immediately post-WWII, but the last several decades of growth have been driven by America's particular ability to generate new ideas and then start businesses to capitalize on them. We dominated the early Internet because our we invented it with Federal researchers and academic grants, we dominate the tech sector because we import top talent from around the world and make it easier and more profitable for them to develop new ideas here than in their home countries, etc. We are competitive in many other sectors, despite our high labor costs, because of the cultural cachet that America has historically held in most of the world. An image marketed, among other things, by a multibillion dollar film industry that sells people on America's (traditional) ideals. All of those advantages are being dismantled, and we will be much poorer for it.

Btw, I picked Argentina specifically because it was as wealthy as Western Europe after WWII, but declined after an era of populism and instability. It's not an unlikely outcome for us at all.

DP Irony here is that the internet was born on one of those UC campuses.

RIP America as we’ve known it.

I deplore the current assault on research, academia and free speech but the internet was not born on a UC campus -

Tim Berners-Lee, a British scientist, invented the WWW in 1989, while working at CERN on the French Swiss border near Geneva (CEarN is the European Organization for Nuclear Research and subatomic physics in Switzerland).

The irony is that the web was originally conceived and developed to help scientists and researchers in universities and institutes around the world to share info more efficiently. Berners-Lee idealistically shared the IP for free in order to promote sharing of science and knowledge that would help humanity.

Tragically the internet has devolved a cesspool of misinformation contributing to anti democratic trends in Europe and US. Russia and China spend trillions of misinformation in order to manipulate less educated Western citizens towards authoritarian isolationism.

The world wide web is not the sum total of the Internet, and the Internet predates it by multiple decades. The Internet was born out of ARPAnet, developed by DARPA within DoD in the late 1960s. Much of the original research took place at UCLA and Stanford, in particular the development of TCP/IP, the fundamental protocols through which essentially all internet communications take place. The Internet is publicly available because of the work of NSF and others to bring connected supercomputing power to U.S. universities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, the University of California, *not* all of academia.

I have several good friends waiting to hear about their fellowships and so far, it's been a bloodbath for all. One still has some hope remaining. All of academia is suffering.

Studying and research cannot continue without the fellowships. Years of research and dedication will be lost. It's maddening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Welp, it's been a good run. Seems like becoming the next Argentina is nearly a fait accompli at this point.

The notion that America is exceptional for some intangible or irrevocable reason has always been absurd. Our power and wealth came from our stable institutions, extensive use of soft power, and from the two industries where we had a massive structural advantages that were hard for any other country to overcome: academia and Hollywood. Stable government institutions are already starting to fail, soft power is gone, and the American cultural brand that supported Hollywood is on the outs. If we allow our best researchers to leave, then there's really nothing left to prevent us from becoming a middle-income country.

Academia and Hollywood were not the two industries that made America dominant in the 20th Century. It was the fact that Europe was destroyed in the wake of WWII, China hadn't risen as a world power, Russia couldn't match American industrial and manufacturing prowess, etc....

Maybe immediately post-WWII, but the last several decades of growth have been driven by America's particular ability to generate new ideas and then start businesses to capitalize on them. We dominated the early Internet because our we invented it with Federal researchers and academic grants, we dominate the tech sector because we import top talent from around the world and make it easier and more profitable for them to develop new ideas here than in their home countries, etc. We are competitive in many other sectors, despite our high labor costs, because of the cultural cachet that America has historically held in most of the world. An image marketed, among other things, by a multibillion dollar film industry that sells people on America's (traditional) ideals. All of those advantages are being dismantled, and we will be much poorer for it.

Btw, I picked Argentina specifically because it was as wealthy as Western Europe after WWII, but declined after an era of populism and instability. It's not an unlikely outcome for us at all.

DP Irony here is that the internet was born on one of those UC campuses.

RIP America as we’ve known it.

I deplore the current assault on research, academia and free speech but the internet was not born on a UC campus -

Tim Berners-Lee, a British scientist, invented the WWW in 1989, while working at CERN on the French Swiss border near Geneva (CEarN is the European Organization for Nuclear Research and subatomic physics in Switzerland).

The irony is that the web was originally conceived and developed to help scientists and researchers in universities and institutes around the world to share info more efficiently. Berners-Lee idealistically shared the IP for free in order to promote sharing of science and knowledge that would help humanity.

Tragically the internet has devolved a cesspool of misinformation contributing to anti democratic trends in Europe and US. Russia and China spend trillions of misinformation in order to manipulate less educated Western citizens towards authoritarian isolationism.

The world wide web is not the sum total of the Internet, and the Internet predates it by multiple decades. The Internet was born out of ARPAnet, developed by DARPA within DoD in the late 1960s. Much of the original research took place at UCLA and Stanford, in particular the development of TCP/IP, the fundamental protocols through which essentially all internet communications take place. The Internet is publicly available because of the work of NSF and others to bring connected supercomputing power to U.S. universities.

I already gave it credit for developing the precursor to the internet but it did not invent the concept and first application of the World Wide Web.

Minimizing the contributions of the British scientist Tim Berners Lee and CERN sounds chauvinistic and counter productive.

I don’t want to see US dominance in scientific research undermined but it is not right to claim all the glory for the creation of the Internet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm fine with academia not getting any federal funds. Especially research, there is a pervasive attitude that Americans aren't interested, and they need H-1B. Let the foreigners pay for their own research and skills. Quit training our competition that is what I say.

I could see if the whole academic H-1b worked the way it was sold to us. EG We don't have specific skills, they bring in professors to teach us the skills. However, that isn't the way it works. The H-1b they bring in are horrible at transferring knowledge to Americans, they take lower wages then drive out Americans, and bring in more foreigners, "Because Americans aren't interested."

Bringing in Foreigners to teach us skills, only makes sense if we're actually interested in the skills. Who is going to study for twenty years to work in a cubicle for a median wage and long hours? Bus drivers and plumber's make more money and have more job security.

This is the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

The current administration is questioning whether it is necessary for the U.S. taxpayer to fund various research projects, particularly at universities with large endowments who can easily afford to fund such projects on their own. Likewise, the current administration is freezing funds from going to universities that refuse to enforce their own rules against antisemitism or who are breaking federal law.

No university is entitled to Federal funds.

Only Elon is entitled to “Federal funds”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm fine with academia not getting any federal funds. Especially research, there is a pervasive attitude that Americans aren't interested, and they need H-1B. Let the foreigners pay for their own research and skills. Quit training our competition that is what I say.

I could see if the whole academic H-1b worked the way it was sold to us. EG We don't have specific skills, they bring in professors to teach us the skills. However, that isn't the way it works. The H-1b they bring in are horrible at transferring knowledge to Americans, they take lower wages then drive out Americans, and bring in more foreigners, "Because Americans aren't interested."

Bringing in Foreigners to teach us skills, only makes sense if we're actually interested in the skills. Who is going to study for twenty years to work in a cubicle for a median wage and long hours? Bus drivers and plumber's make more money and have more job security.

This is the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

The current administration is questioning whether it is necessary for the U.S. taxpayer to fund various research projects, particularly at universities with large endowments who can easily afford to fund such projects on their own. Likewise, the current administration is freezing funds from going to universities that refuse to enforce their own rules against antisemitism or who are breaking federal law.

No university is entitled to Federal funds.

Only Elon is entitled to “Federal funds”.

Yah - built his empire on $38 billion in government contracts … he is also an immigrant.

He did not even create the technologies for hat Tesla, Space X and his other companies depended on. He relied on US scientific research for that.

Now he is the richest man in the world he is gutting the chances of those who come after him from benefiting from brilliant research and a functional federal government.

[Anonymous]

PhD programs have been cut and/or drastically scaled back everywhere. No future professors coming into the pipeline. Bye bye higher education.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm fine with academia not getting any federal funds. Especially research, there is a pervasive attitude that Americans aren't interested, and they need H-1B. Let the foreigners pay for their own research and skills. Quit training our competition that is what I say.

I could see if the whole academic H-1b worked the way it was sold to us. EG We don't have specific skills, they bring in professors to teach us the skills. However, that isn't the way it works. The H-1b they bring in are horrible at transferring knowledge to Americans, they take lower wages then drive out Americans, and bring in more foreigners, "Because Americans aren't interested."

Bringing in Foreigners to teach us skills, only makes sense if we're actually interested in the skills. Who is going to study for twenty years to work in a cubicle for a median wage and long hours? Bus drivers and plumber's make more money and have more job security.

This is the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

In what sense. Why don't Foreigners do a better job of teaching and motivating Americans who are paying their bills? They show up and denigrate our intelligence. Now that is cutting your nose off to spite your face.

[Anonymous]

The demand for college has dropped, and colleges are forced to lower their costs.

A 'hiring freeze'? They should be looking at reductions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The demand for college has dropped, and colleges are forced to lower their costs.

A 'hiring freeze'? They should be looking at reductions.

Or, they stay as centers of innovation and take more "hungry" foreign students who want to take advantage of the opportunities this country has (had?) to offer because the native born have generally become too complacent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The demand for college has dropped, and colleges are forced to lower their costs.

A 'hiring freeze'? They should be looking at reductions.

. The demand for top colleges has never been higher and many top colleges and universities are suffering from the cuts.

It is a lose lose situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The demand for college has dropped, and colleges are forced to lower their costs.

A 'hiring freeze'? They should be looking at reductions.

This year was the largest pool of college applicants ever. Head on over to the college board to read all about how competitive it was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who has studied history knows that you shouldn't make excuses for harassing Jews.

And if you believe harassing Jews is why all this is happening, I have a bridge to sell you.