Why the MAHA obsession with chemicals in food, but not the environment?

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Anonymous wrote:What about informed consent and proper dosing? Why does tooth decay get this weird special status as the one disease that deserves to have the drug dumped in the water instead of properly measured and administered by dentists, doctors, and parents?

Move somewhere else if you don't want it. Buy it at CVS, they sell fluoride-free water. I, for one, prefer to keep it in my drinking water as a mother to two kids. I do not want to go back to the first half of the 1900s when we did not have it in our water, but if you want to go back in time to a lower life span, have at it.

There are fair questions to ask - making sure we look at the dose in our water in combination with using fluoride toothpaste, and whether the local region water supply has sufficient fluoride naturally or not.

To be clear, PFAs in our water - I am far more worried about that. Are you familiar with the research on PFA impact on our health? If you want to worry about something, that would be the biggest concern and the MAHA movement is blatantly ignoring it.

Every administration in the PFA era has ignored it. Every Democrat at FDA and EPA has ignored it. Yes I’m worried about it. And yes I agree that MAHA won’t end up prioritizing it correctly. But MAHA is the closest we’ve seen in 50 years to caring about the human impacts of corporate toxins. If you care about PFAs you are better off with MAHA than with Admiral Rachel Levine or any health czar or administration in the PFA era.

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Anonymous wrote:They’ve talked at length about getting fluoride and plastics out of water, stopping chem trails, decreasing plastics and moving back to glass, etc etc

I work in healthcare and have a friend who is a dentist. Getting fluoride out of water, unless the water is already naturally high in fluoride, is really based on poor thinking. Research showing fluoride impacts IQ tests is based on many magnitudes of higher fluroide dosage than we actually have in our drinking water. Meanwhile, you'll see dentist's make a killing, increased usage of antibiotics to treat infections (which only breeds more antibiotic resistant infections - we already have bacteria resistant to nearly everything in the US), and increased rare diseases like endocarditis (infection of heart valves that lead to embolic cardiovascular events) thanks to removing fluoride.

Are you saying fluoride kills bacteria? I thought it just strengthened teeth? If fluoride can kill living things, we probably shouldn’t be dosing our kids with it nonstop

Are you intentionally trying to troll or actually this stupid?

I’m asking a serious question. The PP is saying we’ll have lots of new infections if we don’t keep adding fluoride to the water supply. Is that right? And if fluoride DOES kill bacteria (and rats) instead of just hardening teeth, should we treat it more like a drug, where we control doses to balance the benefits and risks, instead of just putting it in the water?

We do control dose, dose given is far lower than in research studies being used as "evidence" for removing it, and see what happened in Calgary when they removed it - they added it back. Yes because of increased rates of caries. Tooth decay leads to infection and yes they saw increased kids requiring antibiotics including IV antibiotics.

+1. Fluoride strengthens teeth and makes them less prone to decay. Decayed teeth can easily become painful, infected teeth, and then painful, infected jaws, and can lead to sepsis.

People may not know this because we our insurance system pretends that teeth are separate from the body, but an infected tooth can kill you. I had one relative die and another come dangerously close to it because of an improperly treated tooth infection. The one that didn’t die had his heart nearly destroyed and has been suffering the consequences ever since. You don’t mess around when it comes to kids teeth.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:They’ve talked at length about getting fluoride and plastics out of water, stopping chem trails, decreasing plastics and moving back to glass, etc etc

I work in healthcare and have a friend who is a dentist. Getting fluoride out of water, unless the water is already naturally high in fluoride, is really based on poor thinking. Research showing fluoride impacts IQ tests is based on many magnitudes of higher fluroide dosage than we actually have in our drinking water. Meanwhile, you'll see dentist's make a killing, increased usage of antibiotics to treat infections (which only breeds more antibiotic resistant infections - we already have bacteria resistant to nearly everything in the US), and increased rare diseases like endocarditis (infection of heart valves that lead to embolic cardiovascular events) thanks to removing fluoride.

Are you saying fluoride kills bacteria? I thought it just strengthened teeth? If fluoride can kill living things, we probably shouldn’t be dosing our kids with it nonstop

Are you intentionally trying to troll or actually this stupid?

I’m asking a serious question. The PP is saying we’ll have lots of new infections if we don’t keep adding fluoride to the water supply. Is that right? And if fluoride DOES kill bacteria (and rats) instead of just hardening teeth, should we treat it more like a drug, where we control doses to balance the benefits and risks, instead of just putting it in the water?

What's with the pseudoscience rat poison and killing bacteria comment? Vitamin D is rat poison. You going to remove that from your diet? How about sodium chloride? It's bacteriocidal and also sold as a corrosive at Home Depot. Stop falling for people making these comments ("it's rat poison!" "it's sold at Home Depot as xxxxx sounding horrible chemical!") as a rationale for why something is bad or not.

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Most things are not the active ingredient in rat poison. Fluoride is. I’m sorry this upsets you. It is what it is.

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Anonymous wrote:They’ve talked at length about getting fluoride and plastics out of water, stopping chem trails, decreasing plastics and moving back to glass, etc etc

I work in healthcare and have a friend who is a dentist. Getting fluoride out of water, unless the water is already naturally high in fluoride, is really based on poor thinking. Research showing fluoride impacts IQ tests is based on many magnitudes of higher fluroide dosage than we actually have in our drinking water. Meanwhile, you'll see dentist's make a killing, increased usage of antibiotics to treat infections (which only breeds more antibiotic resistant infections - we already have bacteria resistant to nearly everything in the US), and increased rare diseases like endocarditis (infection of heart valves that lead to embolic cardiovascular events) thanks to removing fluoride.

Are you saying fluoride kills bacteria? I thought it just strengthened teeth? If fluoride can kill living things, we probably shouldn’t be dosing our kids with it nonstop

Are you intentionally trying to troll or actually this stupid?

I’m asking a serious question. The PP is saying we’ll have lots of new infections if we don’t keep adding fluoride to the water supply. Is that right? And if fluoride DOES kill bacteria (and rats) instead of just hardening teeth, should we treat it more like a drug, where we control doses to balance the benefits and risks, instead of just putting it in the water?

What's with the pseudoscience rat poison and killing bacteria comment? Vitamin D is rat poison. You going to remove that from your diet? How about sodium chloride? It's bacteriocidal and also sold as a corrosive at Home Depot. Stop falling for people making these comments ("it's rat poison!" "it's sold at Home Depot as xxxxx sounding horrible chemical!") as a rationale for why something is bad or not.

These types of comments are very classically used by pseudoscience social media influencers, so if you see someone using it, do not watch as that person cannot be trusted for their opinions if they are stupid enough to make comments like that. It means they likely barely passed highschool level science.

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You’re looking for logic in crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:Most things are not the active ingredient in rat poison. Fluoride is. I’m sorry this upsets you. It is what it is.

That literally does not mean anything. Do you understand that? Something can be rat poison and that does not, by default, make it bad for human consumption. Saying this makes you sound unintelligent.

Do you see this? Do you know what the number one active ingredient is? Vitamin D. HORROR!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What about informed consent and proper dosing? Why does tooth decay get this weird special status as the one disease that deserves to have the drug dumped in the water instead of properly measured and administered by dentists, doctors, and parents?

Move somewhere else if you don't want it. Buy it at CVS, they sell fluoride-free water. I, for one, prefer to keep it in my drinking water as a mother to two kids. I do not want to go back to the first half of the 1900s when we did not have it in our water, but if you want to go back in time to a lower life span, have at it.

There are fair questions to ask - making sure we look at the dose in our water in combination with using fluoride toothpaste, and whether the local region water supply has sufficient fluoride naturally or not.

To be clear, PFAs in our water - I am far more worried about that. Are you familiar with the research on PFA impact on our health? If you want to worry about something, that would be the biggest concern and the MAHA movement is blatantly ignoring it.

What kind of minater ate you? That’s great that you want to dose your kids with fluoride and that you think fluoride increases lifespans. But don’t force it on people who don’t want to risk the IQ-lowereing effects. Fluoride is an industrial byproduct—it’s available basically for free. You can add it. People who don’t want it can’t remove it or buy fluoride free water without spending a lot of money.

Freedom from forced medication is an obvious American value, but you want to force your preferred medicines into wveryone else’s water?? What is wrong with you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most things are not the active ingredient in rat poison. Fluoride is. I’m sorry this upsets you. It is what it is.

That literally does not mean anything. Do you understand that? Something can be rat poison and that does not, by default, make it bad for human consumption. Saying this makes you sound unintelligent.

Do you see this? Do you know what the number one active ingredient is? Vitamin D. HORROR!

Here's another one. Active rodenticide ingredients, both of which are harmless to humans.

Corn Gluten Meal
Soybean oil

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What about informed consent and proper dosing? Why does tooth decay get this weird special status as the one disease that deserves to have the drug dumped in the water instead of properly measured and administered by dentists, doctors, and parents?

Move somewhere else if you don't want it. Buy it at CVS, they sell fluoride-free water. I, for one, prefer to keep it in my drinking water as a mother to two kids. I do not want to go back to the first half of the 1900s when we did not have it in our water, but if you want to go back in time to a lower life span, have at it.

There are fair questions to ask - making sure we look at the dose in our water in combination with using fluoride toothpaste, and whether the local region water supply has sufficient fluoride naturally or not.

To be clear, PFAs in our water - I am far more worried about that. Are you familiar with the research on PFA impact on our health? If you want to worry about something, that would be the biggest concern and the MAHA movement is blatantly ignoring it.

What kind of minater ate you? That’s great that you want to dose your kids with fluoride and that you think fluoride increases lifespans. But don’t force it on people who don’t want to risk the IQ-lowereing effects. Fluoride is an industrial byproduct—it’s available basically for free. You can add it. People who don’t want it can’t remove it or buy fluoride free water without spending a lot of money.

Freedom from forced medication is an obvious American value, but you want to force your preferred medicines into wveryone else’s water?? What is wrong with you?

Good luck in life. We used to not have fluoride. Other places have tried removing it. It didn't go well. It literally is not hurting you, do you not understand dosage matters? There is no research that shows the level in US water is hurting kids. Find it, I asked. If you find it and it's good quality, let's talk! But I'd rather learn from Calgary and you''d prefer to live in paranoia because you think something is "rat poison" and that makes it automatically bad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most things are not the active ingredient in rat poison. Fluoride is. I’m sorry this upsets you. It is what it is.

That literally does not mean anything. Do you understand that? Something can be rat poison and that does not, by default, make it bad for human consumption. Saying this makes you sound unintelligent.

Do you see this? Do you know what the number one active ingredient is? Vitamin D. HORROR!

Such a clever argument is support of forced medication! You should become an ethics professor!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about informed consent and proper dosing? Why does tooth decay get this weird special status as the one disease that deserves to have the drug dumped in the water instead of properly measured and administered by dentists, doctors, and parents?

Move somewhere else if you don't want it. Buy it at CVS, they sell fluoride-free water. I, for one, prefer to keep it in my drinking water as a mother to two kids. I do not want to go back to the first half of the 1900s when we did not have it in our water, but if you want to go back in time to a lower life span, have at it.

There are fair questions to ask - making sure we look at the dose in our water in combination with using fluoride toothpaste, and whether the local region water supply has sufficient fluoride naturally or not.

To be clear, PFAs in our water - I am far more worried about that. Are you familiar with the research on PFA impact on our health? If you want to worry about something, that would be the biggest concern and the MAHA movement is blatantly ignoring it.

What kind of minater ate you? That’s great that you want to dose your kids with fluoride and that you think fluoride increases lifespans. But don’t force it on people who don’t want to risk the IQ-lowereing effects. Fluoride is an industrial byproduct—it’s available basically for free. You can add it. People who don’t want it can’t remove it or buy fluoride free water without spending a lot of money.

Freedom from forced medication is an obvious American value, but you want to force your preferred medicines into wveryone else’s water?? What is wrong with you?

PS, I'm assuming you're an anti-vaxer and it's people like you "It's my freedumb!" that are literally the reason why NEWBORN babies got IV immunoglobulin due to exposure to a woman in active labor last week with measles.

If you want to take a society/community POV, removing fluoride from our water will lead to increased caries and dental infections requiring treatment with antibiotics (already known based on research - see Calgary, but I know you don't care to pay attention to Calgary). Increased treatment with antibiotics means increased antibiotic resistant bacteria (well known general concept in the medical world) that we literally cannot treat. We already see lots of pan-resistant bacteria.

You don't get to eff over my own health and that of my kids because you want your "personal freedom" that impacts all Americans.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about informed consent and proper dosing? Why does tooth decay get this weird special status as the one disease that deserves to have the drug dumped in the water instead of properly measured and administered by dentists, doctors, and parents?

Move somewhere else if you don't want it. Buy it at CVS, they sell fluoride-free water. I, for one, prefer to keep it in my drinking water as a mother to two kids. I do not want to go back to the first half of the 1900s when we did not have it in our water, but if you want to go back in time to a lower life span, have at it.

There are fair questions to ask - making sure we look at the dose in our water in combination with using fluoride toothpaste, and whether the local region water supply has sufficient fluoride naturally or not.

To be clear, PFAs in our water - I am far more worried about that. Are you familiar with the research on PFA impact on our health? If you want to worry about something, that would be the biggest concern and the MAHA movement is blatantly ignoring it.

What kind of minater ate you? That’s great that you want to dose your kids with fluoride and that you think fluoride increases lifespans. But don’t force it on people who don’t want to risk the IQ-lowereing effects. Fluoride is an industrial byproduct—it’s available basically for free. You can add it. People who don’t want it can’t remove it or buy fluoride free water without spending a lot of money.

Freedom from forced medication is an obvious American value, but you want to force your preferred medicines into wveryone else’s water?? What is wrong with you?

Why are you not commenting on PFAs in drinking water? Why aren't you far more worried about those? It's weird, frankly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What about informed consent and proper dosing? Why does tooth decay get this weird special status as the one disease that deserves to have the drug dumped in the water instead of properly measured and administered by dentists, doctors, and parents?

Move somewhere else if you don't want it. Buy it at CVS, they sell fluoride-free water. I, for one, prefer to keep it in my drinking water as a mother to two kids. I do not want to go back to the first half of the 1900s when we did not have it in our water, but if you want to go back in time to a lower life span, have at it.

There are fair questions to ask - making sure we look at the dose in our water in combination with using fluoride toothpaste, and whether the local region water supply has sufficient fluoride naturally or not.

To be clear, PFAs in our water - I am far more worried about that. Are you familiar with the research on PFA impact on our health? If you want to worry about something, that would be the biggest concern and the MAHA movement is blatantly ignoring it.

What kind of minater ate you? That’s great that you want to dose your kids with fluoride and that you think fluoride increases lifespans. But don’t force it on people who don’t want to risk the IQ-lowereing effects. Fluoride is an industrial byproduct—it’s available basically for free. You can add it. People who don’t want it can’t remove it or buy fluoride free water without spending a lot of money.

Freedom from forced medication is an obvious American value, but you want to force your preferred medicines into wveryone else’s water?? What is wrong with you?

Why are you not commenting on PFAs in drinking water? Why aren't you far more worried about those? It's weird, frankly.

the PP is harping on harmless levels of fluoride while literally likely drinkiing water right now containing PFAs, her kids have PFAs, we're all full of microplastics and eating food like seafood full of both. PFAs might be a bit more of a concern in the IQ department, but hey, she saw some video about fluoride being rat poison that got her riled up on Instagram!

Here, take some research and go spout off to your MAGA friends? Literaly please! I'm begging you, can you guys actually care about this if you truly want to MAHA?

https://www.sdu.dk/en/nyheder/pfas-og-boernsiq

"The study, published in the scientific journal American Journal of Epidemiology, shows that high concentrations of PFAS measured in mothers’ blood during pregnancy were associated with slightly lower IQ scores among their children at the age of 7."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39789195/#:~:text=Results%3A%20PFAS%20in%20drinking%20water,1.33%20%5B1.04%2C%201.71%5D).

"PFAS in drinking water was associated with increased cancer incidence in the digestive, endocrine, oral cavity/pharynx, and respiratory systems. Incidence rate ratios (IRRs) ranged from 1.02 to 1.33. The strongest association was observed between PFBS and oral cavity/pharynx cancers (IRR: 1.33 [1.04, 1.71]). Among males, PFAS was associated with cancers in the urinary, brain, leukemia, and soft tissues. Among females, PFAS was associated with cancers in the thyroid, oral cavity/pharynx, and soft tissue. PFAS in drinking water is estimated to contribute to 4626 [95% CI: 1,377, 8046] incident cancer cases per year based on UCMR3 data and 6864 [95% CI: 991, 12,804] based on UCMR5."

MAHAs, where ARE you on this stuff? Come on, please pay attention to sh*t that actually matters!

[Anonymous]

Treat yourself with whatever medicines you like. By all means, get topical fluoride treatments to strengthen your teeth and your childrens’ teeth if you like. You can even add some to your water if you really want to. Just don’t force everyone else to “strengthen their teeth” with every single glass of water they drink for their entire lives. It’s weird. No matter how sure you are that small doses of poison are actually worth it for teeth, forced medication via water supply is weird. We don’t do this with other medicines, not evn ones with far less toxicity risk.