Laying Off NOAA staff

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live in Florida and just emailed my two Republican Senators to ask them to please save NWS and NOAA. I cannot even imagine how devastating this year's hurricane season will be without these two agencies.

I don't expect either of them to respond - or even to take me seriously. But my gd I hope they do.

I am curious, do you really believe that you will get no information before a major hurricane is about to strike? Like nothing at all, this is what's going to happen? You are sitting there in your shiny condo or a house completely oblivious until the high winds start all of a sudden and giant waves descend on your beaches, yeah.. Try to use your brain and stop catastrophizing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There was no such thing as NOAA when our parents were growing up. NOAA didn't exist at all until 1970.
And everyone managed to get weather reports before that.

There wasn't even an income tax before 1913. And everyone managed to get weather reports before that too.

You mean like when the 1900 Galveston Hurricane struck without warning and killed thousands of people? You can’t possibly be this stupid. You do realize that almost all increases in weather predictive accuracy since 1960 have come from government-furnished weather satellites, numerical models, and standardized surface monitoring networks? Weather channel ain’t paying for new microwave and infrared satellite systems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess we, the public don't REALLY need good information about tornados , flash floods, incoming bad weather?
How does this help protect the US public, how will this affect air travel, cruise travel? How many will end up in danger or dead?

NOAA is full of mom jobs.

A friend that works there never works weekends or nights, and never has stress. She loves it.

Good luck, reality is happening since we have 36,000,000,000,000 in debt and growing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess we, the public don't REALLY need good information about tornados , flash floods, incoming bad weather?
How does this help protect the US public, how will this affect air travel, cruise travel? How many will end up in danger or dead?

NOAA is full of mom jobs.

A friend that works there never works weekends or nights, and never has stress. She loves it.

Good luck, reality is happening since we have 36,000,000,000,000 in debt and growing.

If only we put taxes back where they were in the Reagan administration so we could get rid of that damn debt. Like Bill Clinton was doing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There was no such thing as NOAA when our parents were growing up. NOAA didn't exist at all until 1970.
And everyone managed to get weather reports before that.

There wasn't even an income tax before 1913. And everyone managed to get weather reports before that too.

when my parents were growing up there were no sprinkler systems in hospitals, or airbags in cars. I think things are better now but YMMV

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has NOAA been saving houses from flooding? That's quite a claim.

the NWS is under NOAA, it tells me when it isn't safe to drive down Beach Drive, and when properties by the Potomac should raise their flood gates.

And you realistically believe that this service will completely and entire disappear because a few hundred people had been laid off from an agency employing many thousands?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live in Florida and just emailed my two Republican Senators to ask them to please save NWS and NOAA. I cannot even imagine how devastating this year's hurricane season will be without these two agencies.

I don't expect either of them to respond - or even to take me seriously. But my gd I hope they do.

Call them - speak to staffers or leave messages. Tell them your name and zip code and your concerns. They really do care about phone call statistics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has NOAA been saving houses from flooding? That's quite a claim.

the NWS is under NOAA, it tells me when it isn't safe to drive down Beach Drive, and when properties by the Potomac should raise their flood gates.

And you realistically believe that this service will completely and entire disappear because a few hundred people had been laid off from an agency employing many thousands?

They are saying the whole agency can go away. They want use European weather service which are available on online.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in Florida and just emailed my two Republican Senators to ask them to please save NWS and NOAA. I cannot even imagine how devastating this year's hurricane season will be without these two agencies.

I don't expect either of them to respond - or even to take me seriously. But my gd I hope they do.

I am curious, do you really believe that you will get no information before a major hurricane is about to strike? Like nothing at all, this is what's going to happen? You are sitting there in your shiny condo or a house completely oblivious until the high winds start all of a sudden and giant waves descend on your beaches, yeah.. Try to use your brain and stop catastrophizing.

Prior to the satellite era hurricanes DID strike without warning and predicting their tracks was mostly guesswork. The best tools we have for monitoring storm systems are geostationary satellites. There’s an international partnership such that the Japanese Space Agency launches and provides meteorological data over Asia, EUMETSAT does the same over Europe/Africa, and NOAA provides the data over the Americas. If the US fails to maintain its satellite capabilities, nobody else is riding to our rescue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was no such thing as NOAA when our parents were growing up. NOAA didn't exist at all until 1970.
And everyone managed to get weather reports before that.

There wasn't even an income tax before 1913. And everyone managed to get weather reports before that too.

You mean like when the 1900 Galveston Hurricane struck without warning and killed thousands of people? You can’t possibly be this stupid. You do realize that almost all increases in weather predictive accuracy since 1960 have come from government-furnished weather satellites, numerical models, and standardized surface monitoring networks? Weather channel ain’t paying for new microwave and infrared satellite systems.

Again. My question is: do you realistically expect that we will receive no warning whatsoever about any upcoming hurricanes in the future? What makes you believe this? Layoff of a few hundred employees is not a logical answer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in Florida and just emailed my two Republican Senators to ask them to please save NWS and NOAA. I cannot even imagine how devastating this year's hurricane season will be without these two agencies.

I don't expect either of them to respond - or even to take me seriously. But my gd I hope they do.

I am curious, do you really believe that you will get no information before a major hurricane is about to strike? Like nothing at all, this is what's going to happen? You are sitting there in your shiny condo or a house completely oblivious until the high winds start all of a sudden and giant waves descend on your beaches, yeah.. Try to use your brain and stop catastrophizing.

Prior to the satellite era hurricanes DID strike without warning and predicting their tracks was mostly guesswork. The best tools we have for monitoring storm systems are geostationary satellites. There’s an international partnership such that the Japanese Space Agency launches and provides meteorological data over Asia, EUMETSAT does the same over Europe/Africa, and NOAA provides the data over the Americas. If the US fails to maintain its satellite capabilities, nobody else is riding to our rescue.

Look, I feel empathy for the people being laid off. And mass layoffs are horrible, I went through several in my life. But this issue is completely separate from the catastrophizing done here that the world will collapse and all these modern services we receive now will completely disappear. What indication do you have that laying off a few hundred people from a large agency employing many thousands will lead to USA being unable to maintain its satellites, provide hurricane and other disaster warnings or even have radar information for weather services? Because this is the claims you are making.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in Florida and just emailed my two Republican Senators to ask them to please save NWS and NOAA. I cannot even imagine how devastating this year's hurricane season will be without these two agencies.

I don't expect either of them to respond - or even to take me seriously. But my gd I hope they do.

I am curious, do you really believe that you will get no information before a major hurricane is about to strike? Like nothing at all, this is what's going to happen? You are sitting there in your shiny condo or a house completely oblivious until the high winds start all of a sudden and giant waves descend on your beaches, yeah.. Try to use your brain and stop catastrophizing.

Prior to the satellite era hurricanes DID strike without warning and predicting their tracks was mostly guesswork. The best tools we have for monitoring storm systems are geostationary satellites. There’s an international partnership such that the Japanese Space Agency launches and provides meteorological data over Asia, EUMETSAT does the same over Europe/Africa, and NOAA provides the data over the Americas. If the US fails to maintain its satellite capabilities, nobody else is riding to our rescue.

Look, I feel empathy for the people being laid off. And mass layoffs are horrible, I went through several in my life. But this issue is completely separate from the catastrophizing done here that the world will collapse and all these modern services we receive now will completely disappear. What indication do you have that laying off a few hundred people from a large agency employing many thousands will lead to USA being unable to maintain its satellites, provide hurricane and other disaster warnings or even have radar information for weather services? Because this is the claims you are making.

If it stops at a few hundred then you are correct. But Project 2025 goes much further, and advocates for dismantling NOAA and privatizing all its functions. Given how the administration has been following Project 2025 to date, I don’t think it’s “catastrophizing”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has NOAA been saving houses from flooding? That's quite a claim.

the NWS is under NOAA, it tells me when it isn't safe to drive down Beach Drive, and when properties by the Potomac should raise their flood gates.

And you realistically believe that this service will completely and entire disappear because a few hundred people had been laid off from an agency employing many thousands?

If the agency is understaffed there may lgically be delays in transmitting information. And delays can be deadly when it relates to flash floods, tornadoes, derechos. Just as having fewer staffed firehouse and ambulances can be deadly. Will having an ambulance or firetruck eventually arrive be a solace when your lived one has expired? Will having staff shortages when monitoring tornado outbreaks be dangerous?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Democrats love to use NOAA as an example of federal bureacrats doing valuable work. "We shouldn't be firing bureaucrats, because think of things like NOAA!"

If Democrats truly value NOAA's important work, a small fund will be raised to set up a similar operation outside government, hiring some of the same workers. They can get access to the various temperature feeds around the world (most countries will support this), and they can continue the work of tracking the temperatures, etc.

Right now NOAA's budget is $6 billion, which seems quite high for a temperature tracking operation. But, that's only $17 per American. If Democrats think it's important, they can duplicate it for only $34 per Democrat. Or $200 for 1 out of 6 Democrats who care enough about climate. Outside of government, the work can probably be done cheaper, maybe for $1 billion instead of $6 billion. So if we get 1 out of 6 Democrats to pay $34 each we can save NOAA.

But if no Democrats want to pony up anything, we'll know that it wasn't all that important to them.

Sure, that would be great. Stop making me pay any taxes at all and I can decide where to give money to. I would LOVE to pay $34 a year in return for not have tax dollars that go towards funding PPP loans for millionaire small business owners, or disaster assistance for people who live in flood-prone areas, or security to pay for Donald Trump to golf.

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