Best country for socially integrating kids?

[Anonymous]

Hm, well, you can choose the Nordic where open hostility and racism against dark skinned foreigners exists.

Or maybe mainland Europe where they hate all Arabs, Turks, Jews and anyone of Muslim faith.

But, as an Anglo white person you'll be fine, totally fine.

Enjoy paying your 60% in taxes and making less than half the wages in the US while waiting 6 months to see a specialist that will tell you to wait and see if it gets worse.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I think you need to better define what integration and least disruptive looks like to you.

Based on what you've posted, your best options are Canada, New Zealand, Australia and the UK. Canada is so culturally similar to the US and the accent is the closest, so that would likely be the least disruptive.

I'll suggest another option, which may not be palatable to you: join a large expat community. For example, Saudi Arabia has a fantastic expat community of people working in oil. The Saudis and other Muslim nationalities don't mix with the expats, so you're basically in a western community inside of an eastern nation. You are still in Saudi Arabia, and must observe their laws. But within these communities, you're not required to wear an Abaya and you're allowed a lot of activities that make for a normal western life. The $ is very attractive.

My god, this sounds like hell on earth. I’d stay right here if that were the main option.

I’m not sure we’re going to be much different than Saudi Arabia. A theocracy with authoritarian rule, minus the sand.

You have no idea how bad life under Islamic fundamentalist rule is.

We're about to!

No, we aren't. Come on. I think Trump is an authoritarian if not a fascist, and I deeply disagree with nearly everything he is doing, and I think Elon Musk is extraordinarily dangerous. But there is no need for hyperbole. This will obviously never be an Islamic fundamentalist country and neither will it ever be truly Christian fundamentalist. First, those are not the same thing; and second, despite my disgust for the promotion of theories that white Evangelical Christians are being persecuted, there is enough in the Constitution to forbid ever forcibly converting everyone else. Giving (probably still unconstitutional) privileges and recognition to white Evangelical Christians is nowhere near requiring everyone to be a white Evangelical Christian and literally imprisoning or murdering those who don't comply. I can think of a lot of bad things that can happen here but that truly is not one of them.

I think you lack imagination.

It would take a great deal of imagination indeed to see the US - a country where people moan about having the right to say Merry Christmas - become an Islamic fundamentalist country. Which is what PP said.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Canada is by far the least culturally and environmentally disruptive as a move, for kids/families.

If I didn't have kids and two parents with failing health who need my support, and a business full of people who count on me that would shut down if I left, I would be going now. People who refuse to recognize what's happening, I hope to God you're right and those of us who are fearful about what we're seeing are wrong. But I think the tipping point will be whether the court rulings hold, and if they don't, it will be too late and we'll be too far gone. Now's the time to leave if you want to leave. You can always come back if things stabilize. Trump has made clear what he intends to do, he' actively doing it, and his followers will deny to the end that it's the catastrophe for US democracy that it is. The playbook is not unique, it's history playing out in the same ways but just a new context, and people are refusing to see it because they don't want to and they're frankly brainwashed by this guy. (Wild. I saw a meme this week that said "I thought the antichrist would at least be good looking" - I mean THIS is who you're going to worship to the point of toppling of our democracy? Truly wild. ) I wish I could move my family without hardship to others - I'd be leaving now.

I understand what you are saying and have looked into Canada myself. I have worked as a fed contractor my entire career though and am unsure how I’d support myself. It’s not like I’m a nurse or software developer or someone who can work anywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I think you need to better define what integration and least disruptive looks like to you.

Based on what you've posted, your best options are Canada, New Zealand, Australia and the UK. Canada is so culturally similar to the US and the accent is the closest, so that would likely be the least disruptive.

I'll suggest another option, which may not be palatable to you: join a large expat community. For example, Saudi Arabia has a fantastic expat community of people working in oil. The Saudis and other Muslim nationalities don't mix with the expats, so you're basically in a western community inside of an eastern nation. You are still in Saudi Arabia, and must observe their laws. But within these communities, you're not required to wear an Abaya and you're allowed a lot of activities that make for a normal western life. The $ is very attractive.

My god, this sounds like hell on earth. I’d stay right here if that were the main option.

I’m not sure we’re going to be much different than Saudi Arabia. A theocracy with authoritarian rule, minus the sand.

You have no idea how bad life under Islamic fundamentalist rule is.

We're about to!

No, we aren't. Come on. I think Trump is an authoritarian if not a fascist, and I deeply disagree with nearly everything he is doing, and I think Elon Musk is extraordinarily dangerous. But there is no need for hyperbole. This will obviously never be an Islamic fundamentalist country and neither will it ever be truly Christian fundamentalist. First, those are not the same thing; and second, despite my disgust for the promotion of theories that white Evangelical Christians are being persecuted, there is enough in the Constitution to forbid ever forcibly converting everyone else. Giving (probably still unconstitutional) privileges and recognition to white Evangelical Christians is nowhere near requiring everyone to be a white Evangelical Christian and literally imprisoning or murdering those who don't comply. I can think of a lot of bad things that can happen here but that truly is not one of them.

I think you lack imagination.

It would take a great deal of imagination indeed to see the US - a country where people moan about having the right to say Merry Christmas - become an Islamic fundamentalist country. Which is what PP said.

You ought to go re-read the post. PP is talking about Christian fundamentalist fascism.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Canada is by far the least culturally and environmentally disruptive as a move, for kids/families.

If I didn't have kids and two parents with failing health who need my support, and a business full of people who count on me that would shut down if I left, I would be going now. People who refuse to recognize what's happening, I hope to God you're right and those of us who are fearful about what we're seeing are wrong. But I think the tipping point will be whether the court rulings hold, and if they don't, it will be too late and we'll be too far gone. Now's the time to leave if you want to leave. You can always come back if things stabilize. Trump has made clear what he intends to do, he' actively doing it, and his followers will deny to the end that it's the catastrophe for US democracy that it is. The playbook is not unique, it's history playing out in the same ways but just a new context, and people are refusing to see it because they don't want to and they're frankly brainwashed by this guy. (Wild. I saw a meme this week that said "I thought the antichrist would at least be good looking" - I mean THIS is who you're going to worship to the point of toppling of our democracy? Truly wild. ) I wish I could move my family without hardship to others - I'd be leaving now.

I understand what you are saying and have looked into Canada myself. I have worked as a fed contractor my entire career though and am unsure how I’d support myself. It’s not like I’m a nurse or software developer or someone who can work anywhere.

You should try to get a job in the Canadian government.

[Anonymous]

We spent a summer on the Netherlands in the Hague. It had an very welcoming community and pur son loved it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think Canada is by far the least culturally and environmentally disruptive as a move, for kids/families.

If I didn't have kids and two parents with failing health who need my support, and a business full of people who count on me that would shut down if I left, I would be going now. People who refuse to recognize what's happening, I hope to God you're right and those of us who are fearful about what we're seeing are wrong. But I think the tipping point will be whether the court rulings hold, and if they don't, it will be too late and we'll be too far gone. Now's the time to leave if you want to leave. You can always come back if things stabilize. Trump has made clear what he intends to do, he' actively doing it, and his followers will deny to the end that it's the catastrophe for US democracy that it is. The playbook is not unique, it's history playing out in the same ways but just a new context, and people are refusing to see it because they don't want to and they're frankly brainwashed by this guy. (Wild. I saw a meme this week that said "I thought the antichrist would at least be good looking" - I mean THIS is who you're going to worship to the point of toppling of our democracy? Truly wild. ) I wish I could move my family without hardship to others - I'd be leaving now.

I understand what you are saying and have looked into Canada myself. I have worked as a fed contractor my entire career though and am unsure how I’d support myself. It’s not like I’m a nurse or software developer or someone who can work anywhere.

You should try to get a job in the Canadian government.

That would make sense. I’m thinking getting a CNA and my husband is in the trades.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Canada is by far the least culturally and environmentally disruptive as a move, for kids/families.

If I didn't have kids and two parents with failing health who need my support, and a business full of people who count on me that would shut down if I left, I would be going now. People who refuse to recognize what's happening, I hope to God you're right and those of us who are fearful about what we're seeing are wrong. But I think the tipping point will be whether the court rulings hold, and if they don't, it will be too late and we'll be too far gone. Now's the time to leave if you want to leave. You can always come back if things stabilize. Trump has made clear what he intends to do, he' actively doing it, and his followers will deny to the end that it's the catastrophe for US democracy that it is. The playbook is not unique, it's history playing out in the same ways but just a new context, and people are refusing to see it because they don't want to and they're frankly brainwashed by this guy. (Wild. I saw a meme this week that said "I thought the antichrist would at least be good looking" - I mean THIS is who you're going to worship to the point of toppling of our democracy? Truly wild. ) I wish I could move my family without hardship to others - I'd be leaving now.

I understand what you are saying and have looked into Canada myself. I have worked as a fed contractor my entire career though and am unsure how I’d support myself. It’s not like I’m a nurse or software developer or someone who can work anywhere.

You should try to get a job in the Canadian government.

lol Canadians with multiple degrees aren’t getting jobs in the Canadian government.

Please don’t come to Canada.

[Anonymous]

I’d like to know how OP has the right to work in multiple EU and Commonwealth countries.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think Canada is by far the least culturally and environmentally disruptive as a move, for kids/families.

If I didn't have kids and two parents with failing health who need my support, and a business full of people who count on me that would shut down if I left, I would be going now. People who refuse to recognize what's happening, I hope to God you're right and those of us who are fearful about what we're seeing are wrong. But I think the tipping point will be whether the court rulings hold, and if they don't, it will be too late and we'll be too far gone. Now's the time to leave if you want to leave. You can always come back if things stabilize. Trump has made clear what he intends to do, he' actively doing it, and his followers will deny to the end that it's the catastrophe for US democracy that it is. The playbook is not unique, it's history playing out in the same ways but just a new context, and people are refusing to see it because they don't want to and they're frankly brainwashed by this guy. (Wild. I saw a meme this week that said "I thought the antichrist would at least be good looking" - I mean THIS is who you're going to worship to the point of toppling of our democracy? Truly wild. ) I wish I could move my family without hardship to others - I'd be leaving now.

I understand what you are saying and have looked into Canada myself. I have worked as a fed contractor my entire career though and am unsure how I’d support myself. It’s not like I’m a nurse or software developer or someone who can work anywhere.

Just FYI, a nurse cannot "work anywhere." Not even in the U.S. Even if you have a compact license, there are states that are non-compacted and require a different license. You will need to go through the process as a foreign educated nurse if you want to work outside of the U.S. I have friends that have done this but just because you are a nurse, you can't just decide to move. Many countries would require you to be bilingual because you do need to communicate with your patients. So, while, theoretically you can work anywhere, there are significant barriers and nursing as a profession is very different in the U.S. compared to many countries.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Whenever I hear about people doing this I think of all the people from those same countries who chose to come to and stay in the US.

Yes, it doesn't seem like it at times, but American kids (allllll American kids living here in America) have the best chance to be well-socialized, confident leaders.

This is such an insular view of the world. As an American expat who has lived in 4 other countries, I can assure you the rest of the world socializes their kids just fine. And attending private international schools abroad produces highly confident future leaders, with a broad world view.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Canada is by far the least culturally and environmentally disruptive as a move, for kids/families.

If I didn't have kids and two parents with failing health who need my support, and a business full of people who count on me that would shut down if I left, I would be going now. People who refuse to recognize what's happening, I hope to God you're right and those of us who are fearful about what we're seeing are wrong. But I think the tipping point will be whether the court rulings hold, and if they don't, it will be too late and we'll be too far gone. Now's the time to leave if you want to leave. You can always come back if things stabilize. Trump has made clear what he intends to do, he' actively doing it, and his followers will deny to the end that it's the catastrophe for US democracy that it is. The playbook is not unique, it's history playing out in the same ways but just a new context, and people are refusing to see it because they don't want to and they're frankly brainwashed by this guy. (Wild. I saw a meme this week that said "I thought the antichrist would at least be good looking" - I mean THIS is who you're going to worship to the point of toppling of our democracy? Truly wild. ) I wish I could move my family without hardship to others - I'd be leaving now.

I understand what you are saying and have looked into Canada myself. I have worked as a fed contractor my entire career though and am unsure how I’d support myself. It’s not like I’m a nurse or software developer or someone who can work anywhere.

You should try to get a job in the Canadian government.

That would make sense. I’m thinking getting a CNA and my husband is in the trades.

Are you fluent in French? You must be in order to work for the federal government.

And not just French, but Quebecois French. It’s hard for Anglo Canadians to get jobs in the federal government because they’re rarely as fluently bilingual as Quebec residents. And even if they are, they don’t communicate that easily with their colleagues from Quebec.

I tried to get a job in the Canadian government for fifiteen years. And I’m actually Canadian, with three degrees from McGill and one from NYU.

Good luck!

[Anonymous]

If you’re asking where is diversity, try London or Toronto.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think Canada is by far the least culturally and environmentally disruptive as a move, for kids/families.

If I didn't have kids and two parents with failing health who need my support, and a business full of people who count on me that would shut down if I left, I would be going now. People who refuse to recognize what's happening, I hope to God you're right and those of us who are fearful about what we're seeing are wrong. But I think the tipping point will be whether the court rulings hold, and if they don't, it will be too late and we'll be too far gone. Now's the time to leave if you want to leave. You can always come back if things stabilize. Trump has made clear what he intends to do, he' actively doing it, and his followers will deny to the end that it's the catastrophe for US democracy that it is. The playbook is not unique, it's history playing out in the same ways but just a new context, and people are refusing to see it because they don't want to and they're frankly brainwashed by this guy. (Wild. I saw a meme this week that said "I thought the antichrist would at least be good looking" - I mean THIS is who you're going to worship to the point of toppling of our democracy? Truly wild. ) I wish I could move my family without hardship to others - I'd be leaving now.

I understand what you are saying and have looked into Canada myself. I have worked as a fed contractor my entire career though and am unsure how I’d support myself. It’s not like I’m a nurse or software developer or someone who can work anywhere.

You should try to get a job in the Canadian government.

The one that went bankrupt in 1998/9 and is currently driving itself into the ground again? Good luck.

FYI they also ceased issuing highly educated migrant work visas to white collated foreigners in 2022/3. Can only recruit Canadians. A bunch of senior job searches got narrowed in scope then and USA headhunters stopped taking mandates there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Whenever I hear about people doing this I think of all the people from those same countries who chose to come to and stay in the US.

Yes, it doesn't seem like it at times, but American kids (allllll American kids living here in America) have the best chance to be well-socialized, confident leaders.

This is such an insular view of the world. As an American expat who has lived in 4 other countries, I can assure you the rest of the world socializes their kids just fine. And attending private international schools abroad produces highly confident future leaders, with a broad world view.

You mean well-connected rich kids receiving an elite education and insulating themselves from local populations as they gallivant the world in their parents exclusive international social circles have great chances of becoming leaders? Shocking.