Shovel Snow-Tomorrow ?

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like a bust. Shovel this morning and maybe do a quick touch up this afternoon.

WTF are you talking about? I have 8 inches in my back yard in Mclean at 11am on Monday and it's forecast to snow heavily again this afternoon

Where do you see a forecast that predicted heavy snow starting in afternoon?

In Maryland the chance of snowfall decreases throughout the day. We haven't had snow since the middle of the night. I think we're mostly done here. It's beem a bust for us.

You two need to understand that you're getting different amounts of snow. The gradient of snowfall is pretty steep with this storm. Some of you might get the second predicted snowfall later this afternoon, and some of you might not. Accept it.

The pp seemed to say the snow stopped, but that the weather forecast said it would start again. In what area is that the forecast?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You need to get out there as soon as you can and shovel, because the snow will get heavy and it will freeze over during the night. Lay down salt where you've shoveled a path.

Skip the salt. Use sand if you need to lay down something. In this area, any and all salt will wash into the Potomac and then the Bay, leading to blooms and then dead spots.

You're going to have to get rid of the requirements to shovel sidewalks if you want people to stop using salt. And road use is much larger than sidewalk use anyway, and you're not stopping that.

There are non-salt products that work just as well. Why would you choose the worst one on purpose?

They don't work "just as well". That's why they're generally not used in these situations. They might work "well enough" but that starts to become a question of how litigious your neighbors are. Are they going to fall and sue?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You need to get out there as soon as you can and shovel, because the snow will get heavy and it will freeze over during the night. Lay down salt where you've shoveled a path.

Skip the salt. Use sand if you need to lay down something. In this area, any and all salt will wash into the Potomac and then the Bay, leading to blooms and then dead spots.

Sorry, I use "pet-safe" salt, and I'm pregnant with a sled dog who pulls like crazy. I will put myself first this winter, so I don't lose the baby if the dog makes me fall on the ice that will accumulate if I don't salt my walkway.

Your child’s coparent should be doing it.

Well, he's not. So I am protecting myself. Don't assume others have your life and your risks.

DP: I get it, but you can still use a safer product that serves the same purpose and protects the world for your child's future. Use what you have and be safe out there. And also know that there are alternatives for next time.

They don't serve the same purpose as effectively. It is hard to get consistent and sufficient coverage of sand on sidewalks without slippery spots forming. Salts dissolve and spread out over the surface of the sidewalk, making them much more effective and safer for pedestrians.

[Anonymous]

NW DC and we have at least 6 inches

[Anonymous]

You'd be a fool to put sand down. You're incurring liability because the sidewalk no longer has an open and obvious threat. But you're not going to improve the sidewalk enough to prevent someone from slipping and suing you.

If you don't want to use salt, you're better off not shoveling at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You'd be a fool to put sand down. You're incurring liability because the sidewalk no longer has an open and obvious threat. But you're not going to improve the sidewalk enough to prevent someone from slipping and suing you.

If you don't want to use salt, you're better off not shoveling at all.

This is insane.

If you clear your sidewalk/path properly, it's very safe and not at all that difficult.

The ones who don't do anything are FAR more dangerous, because they melt, refreeze, melt, refreeze, and it becomes a skating rink. This is dangerous and stupid advice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You'd be a fool to put sand down. You're incurring liability because the sidewalk no longer has an open and obvious threat. But you're not going to improve the sidewalk enough to prevent someone from slipping and suing you.

If you don't want to use salt, you're better off not shoveling at all.

This is insane.

If you clear your sidewalk/path properly, it's very safe and not at all that difficult.

The ones who don't do anything are FAR more dangerous, because they melt, refreeze, melt, refreeze, and it becomes a skating rink. This is dangerous and stupid advice.

Yes, uncleared sidewalks are obviously far more dangerous. That creates an obligation for the walker to avoid them.

You must be responsible for an awfully small sidewalk if you think you can practically clear a sidewalk with a shovel and sand to the same degree as adding salt. You can avoid slipper y spots with sand because you're not going to be able to spread it everywhere by hand. You're going to miss spots, and a walker might find one of of those spots and fall.

[Anonymous]

*can't avoid slippery spots with stand

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You'd be a fool to put sand down. You're incurring liability because the sidewalk no longer has an open and obvious threat. But you're not going to improve the sidewalk enough to prevent someone from slipping and suing you.

If you don't want to use salt, you're better off not shoveling at all.

This is insane.

If you clear your sidewalk/path properly, it's very safe and not at all that difficult.

The ones who don't do anything are FAR more dangerous, because they melt, refreeze, melt, refreeze, and it becomes a skating rink. This is dangerous and stupid advice.

Yes, uncleared sidewalks are obviously far more dangerous. That creates an obligation for the walker to avoid them.

You must be responsible for an awfully small sidewalk if you think you can practically clear a sidewalk with a shovel and sand to the same degree as adding salt. You can avoid slipper y spots with sand because you're not going to be able to spread it everywhere by hand. You're going to miss spots, and a walker might find one of of those spots and fall.

DP. Hon, this is the DMV we're talking about. Shoveling to concrete/asphalt is the norm. Salt is unnecessary and harmful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like a bust. Shovel this morning and maybe do a quick touch up this afternoon.

WTF are you talking about? I have 8 inches in my back yard in Mclean at 11am on Monday and it's forecast to snow heavily again this afternoon

Where do you see a forecast that predicted heavy snow starting in afternoon?

In Maryland the chance of snowfall decreases throughout the day. We haven't had snow since the middle of the night. I think we're mostly done here. It's beem a bust for us.

You two need to understand that you're getting different amounts of snow. The gradient of snowfall is pretty steep with this storm. Some of you might get the second predicted snowfall later this afternoon, and some of you might not. Accept it.

The pp seemed to say the snow stopped, but that the weather forecast said it would start again. In what area is that the forecast?

It's still snowing pretty hard in upper MoCo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need to get out there as soon as you can and shovel, because the snow will get heavy and it will freeze over during the night. Lay down salt where you've shoveled a path.

Skip the salt. Use sand if you need to lay down something. In this area, any and all salt will wash into the Potomac and then the Bay, leading to blooms and then dead spots.

You're going to have to get rid of the requirements to shovel sidewalks if you want people to stop using salt. And road use is much larger than sidewalk use anyway, and you're not stopping that.

There are non-salt products that work just as well. Why would you choose the worst one on purpose?

They don't work "just as well". That's why they're generally not used in these situations. They might work "well enough" but that starts to become a question of how litigious your neighbors are. Are they going to fall and sue?

I'm the pregnant PP. I bought a large packet of pet-friendly blue pellets. I will use it. We usually don't use any product, but this year, I insist. Too bad if someone isn't happy about it. I'm sure the anti-salters engage in other destructive behaviors they don't even think about!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like a bust. Shovel this morning and maybe do a quick touch up this afternoon.

WTF are you talking about? I have 8 inches in my back yard in Mclean at 11am on Monday and it's forecast to snow heavily again this afternoon

Where do you see a forecast that predicted heavy snow starting in afternoon?

In Maryland the chance of snowfall decreases throughout the day. We haven't had snow since the middle of the night. I think we're mostly done here. It's beem a bust for us.

You two need to understand that you're getting different amounts of snow. The gradient of snowfall is pretty steep with this storm. Some of you might get the second predicted snowfall later this afternoon, and some of you might not. Accept it.

The pp seemed to say the snow stopped, but that the weather forecast said it would start again. In what area is that the forecast?

It's still snowing pretty hard in upper MoCo.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You'd be a fool to put sand down. You're incurring liability because the sidewalk no longer has an open and obvious threat. But you're not going to improve the sidewalk enough to prevent someone from slipping and suing you.

If you don't want to use salt, you're better off not shoveling at all.

This is insane.

If you clear your sidewalk/path properly, it's very safe and not at all that difficult.

The ones who don't do anything are FAR more dangerous, because they melt, refreeze, melt, refreeze, and it becomes a skating rink. This is dangerous and stupid advice.

Yes, uncleared sidewalks are obviously far more dangerous. That creates an obligation for the walker to avoid them.

You must be responsible for an awfully small sidewalk if you think you can practically clear a sidewalk with a shovel and sand to the same degree as adding salt. You can avoid slipper y spots with sand because you're not going to be able to spread it everywhere by hand. You're going to miss spots, and a walker might find one of of those spots and fall.

DP. Hon, this is the DMV we're talking about. Shoveling to concrete/asphalt is the norm. Salt is unnecessary and harmful.

You don't live in the DMV you think that's the norm.

The norm is not shoveling. When someone does shovel, they do a narrow path. By the time they get around to shoveling, people have already walked it, creating ice. So they shovel down to the ice, and then dump salt on it.

I'd show pictures, but almost no one around me has shoveled yet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You'd be a fool to put sand down. You're incurring liability because the sidewalk no longer has an open and obvious threat. But you're not going to improve the sidewalk enough to prevent someone from slipping and suing you.

If you don't want to use salt, you're better off not shoveling at all.

This is insane.

If you clear your sidewalk/path properly, it's very safe and not at all that difficult.

The ones who don't do anything are FAR more dangerous, because they melt, refreeze, melt, refreeze, and it becomes a skating rink. This is dangerous and stupid advice.

Yes, uncleared sidewalks are obviously far more dangerous. That creates an obligation for the walker to avoid them.

You must be responsible for an awfully small sidewalk if you think you can practically clear a sidewalk with a shovel and sand to the same degree as adding salt. You can avoid slipper y spots with sand because you're not going to be able to spread it everywhere by hand. You're going to miss spots, and a walker might find one of of those spots and fall.

DP. Hon, this is the DMV we're talking about. Shoveling to concrete/asphalt is the norm. Salt is unnecessary and harmful.

You don't live in the DMV you think that's the norm.

The norm is not shoveling. When someone does shovel, they do a narrow path. By the time they get around to shoveling, people have already walked it, creating ice. So they shovel down to the ice, and then dump salt on it.

I'd show pictures, but almost no one around me has shoveled yet.

Well, yes, the norm is to wait a day or two and just let it melt on its own. But the norm is not to add salt-rather-than-sand to avoid litigation. That sounds like some Northern-state BS. Not here.

[Anonymous]

Shoveled 6+ inches of snow off my 3 cars, and cleared the sidewalk in front of my Arlington house and my neighbor's house. Pace yourselves, keep your knees soft, anchor your shoulders in your back and engage your core. Great workout!