William & Mary - St. Andrews Joint Degree Program

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Anonymous wrote:Where does it state that this particular programme’s graduates are eligible for any UK work visa? Don’t see it on W&M site and one would think that would be emphasised as a bonus for participating in the programme.

So per the JDP website, for US or international participants in the programme: "UK student visa maintained while at W&M". They get the equivalent visa as if they were spending four years at St Andrews (not individual visas for each year spent at St Andrews). Outlined here: https://www.wm.edu/offices/revescenter/issp/visasandimmigration/standrewsjointdegree/

So if the student graduates with a St Andrews degree (they get one from both unis), they can apply for the UK graduate visa whilst their UK student visa is still active. This is a well trodden path by international students in the UK, and the JDP students are eligible as they meet all the criteria.

^^your link states nothing about US JDP students working post-graduation in the UK

If my assumptions are correct that all JDP students receive a St Andrews degree and are on the same tier 4 UK student visa that other internationals are on: then upon graduation, they can can go to (or remain in) the UK, apply for, and receive the UK graduate visa. They meet all of the eligibility requirements.

UK student visas are issued with grace period months at the end following graduation. E.g. if it was issued in the fall of your first year, it will end in the fall four years later, giving you multiple months after graduating to apply for and receive the UK graduate visa. It is issued normally in under a month.

I could be wrong if either (a) not all JDP students get a St Andrews degree, (b) they are on a different visa (what would this even be?), but I don't think I am.

Per Cambridge's guidance on the grad visa: https://www.internationalstudents.cam.ac.uk/graduate-visa#:~:text=The%20minimum%20period%20of%20study,included%20in%20the%20minimum%20period.

"The minimum period of study for the Graduate visa is at least 12 months OR the full length of your course, whichever is shorter. Permitted 'study abroad' activities (i.e. activities that are undertaken overseas as part of a course) or time spent overseas during permitted breaks from study such as during official vacation periods or at the weekend can be included in the minimum period."

Have a student in the program, your assumptions are correct. JDP students are graduates of both institutions and get diplomas and transcripts form both institutions, They are on Tier 4 visas that extend until the fall after graduation. They are thus able to continue to live or return to the UK to apply and receive a UK graduate visa to work in the UK for 2 years as they meet all requirements to obtain a UK graduate visa.

Odd that this isn’t anywhere on the W&M site

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Anonymous wrote:Where does it state that this particular programme’s graduates are eligible for any UK work visa? Don’t see it on W&M site and one would think that would be emphasised as a bonus for participating in the programme.

So per the JDP website, for US or international participants in the programme: "UK student visa maintained while at W&M". They get the equivalent visa as if they were spending four years at St Andrews (not individual visas for each year spent at St Andrews). Outlined here: https://www.wm.edu/offices/revescenter/issp/visasandimmigration/standrewsjointdegree/

So if the student graduates with a St Andrews degree (they get one from both unis), they can apply for the UK graduate visa whilst their UK student visa is still active. This is a well trodden path by international students in the UK, and the JDP students are eligible as they meet all the criteria.

^^your link states nothing about US JDP students working post-graduation in the UK

If my assumptions are correct that all JDP students receive a St Andrews degree and are on the same tier 4 UK student visa that other internationals are on: then upon graduation, they can can go to (or remain in) the UK, apply for, and receive the UK graduate visa. They meet all of the eligibility requirements.

UK student visas are issued with grace period months at the end following graduation. E.g. if it was issued in the fall of your first year, it will end in the fall four years later, giving you multiple months after graduating to apply for and receive the UK graduate visa. It is issued normally in under a month.

I could be wrong if either (a) not all JDP students get a St Andrews degree, (b) they are on a different visa (what would this even be?), but I don't think I am.

Per Cambridge's guidance on the grad visa: https://www.internationalstudents.cam.ac.uk/graduate-visa#:~:text=The%20minimum%20period%20of%20study,included%20in%20the%20minimum%20period.

"The minimum period of study for the Graduate visa is at least 12 months OR the full length of your course, whichever is shorter. Permitted 'study abroad' activities (i.e. activities that are undertaken overseas as part of a course) or time spent overseas during permitted breaks from study such as during official vacation periods or at the weekend can be included in the minimum period."

Have a student in the program, your assumptions are correct. JDP students are graduates of both institutions and get diplomas and transcripts form both institutions, They are on Tier 4 visas that extend until the fall after graduation. They are thus able to continue to live or return to the UK to apply and receive a UK graduate visa to work in the UK for 2 years as they meet all requirements to obtain a UK graduate visa.

Odd that this isn’t anywhere on the W&M site

They probably don't want people applying just to get the visa.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where does it state that this particular programme’s graduates are eligible for any UK work visa? Don’t see it on W&M site and one would think that would be emphasised as a bonus for participating in the programme.

So per the JDP website, for US or international participants in the programme: "UK student visa maintained while at W&M". They get the equivalent visa as if they were spending four years at St Andrews (not individual visas for each year spent at St Andrews). Outlined here: https://www.wm.edu/offices/revescenter/issp/visasandimmigration/standrewsjointdegree/

So if the student graduates with a St Andrews degree (they get one from both unis), they can apply for the UK graduate visa whilst their UK student visa is still active. This is a well trodden path by international students in the UK, and the JDP students are eligible as they meet all the criteria.

^^your link states nothing about US JDP students working post-graduation in the UK

If my assumptions are correct that all JDP students receive a St Andrews degree and are on the same tier 4 UK student visa that other internationals are on: then upon graduation, they can can go to (or remain in) the UK, apply for, and receive the UK graduate visa. They meet all of the eligibility requirements.

UK student visas are issued with grace period months at the end following graduation. E.g. if it was issued in the fall of your first year, it will end in the fall four years later, giving you multiple months after graduating to apply for and receive the UK graduate visa. It is issued normally in under a month.

I could be wrong if either (a) not all JDP students get a St Andrews degree, (b) they are on a different visa (what would this even be?), but I don't think I am.

Per Cambridge's guidance on the grad visa: https://www.internationalstudents.cam.ac.uk/graduate-visa#:~:text=The%20minimum%20period%20of%20study,included%20in%20the%20minimum%20period.

"The minimum period of study for the Graduate visa is at least 12 months OR the full length of your course, whichever is shorter. Permitted 'study abroad' activities (i.e. activities that are undertaken overseas as part of a course) or time spent overseas during permitted breaks from study such as during official vacation periods or at the weekend can be included in the minimum period."

Have a student in the program, your assumptions are correct. JDP students are graduates of both institutions and get diplomas and transcripts form both institutions, They are on Tier 4 visas that extend until the fall after graduation. They are thus able to continue to live or return to the UK to apply and receive a UK graduate visa to work in the UK for 2 years as they meet all requirements to obtain a UK graduate visa.

Odd that this isn’t anywhere on the W&M site

Program has a low admission rate, can't imagine that perk would sway people one way or the other. A number of pros and cons provided by a Tier 4 visa and UK resident status.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This program sounds very interesting. Is it generally harder to get into this joint program than getting into "regular" W&M? Also, somebody mentioned a similar program for Columbia and Trinity. Is that program also harder to get into than applying to "regular" Columbia? Are there other similar joint programs like these?

Yes, it's harder. Also it's $65K a year, no in-state tuition. Can't speak for Columbia and Trinity.