S/o: Do you support murdering CEOs ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Of course not.

1. Killing this CEO is going to do nothing to change the industry. All the gunman did was ruin his own life (enjoy life in prison bud) and leave some kids without a dad.

2. People are dumb, and think anyone with more money is “the rich”. If you support killing “a CEO”, where do you draw the line? Minimum salary? Home value greater than X? If you feel that the local ice cream shop is charging too much and the CEO lives in a gated community, is that enough to warrant his death?

Luigi Mangione wasn’t dumb and knew the world of wealthy people very intimately. I imagine he spent his entire life in close proximity to CEO types and their kids. He knows how these people talk about the unwashed masses and he knows how precisely undeserving they are of the stratospheric levels of wealth they’ve acquired.

He also dropped off the grid recently. Very likely the shooting was caused by his mental illness rather than any disgust he felt over how the wealthy spoke

Both of those things can be true. I think a lot of kids raised in extreme privilege—at least those with a bit of a heart—have a time of reckoning in the 20s when they start to fully realize that their lifestyle has been made possible at the expense of the poor and working class.

Then it is very bad he took the route he did.

With his background and education he could have fought for REAL change, not just decided that popping the CEO was the way to make things happen.

At the end of the day, nothing changes and he becomes a footnote in the year 2024.

An uneducated person would think that shooting would change something, but he should have known better since you say he was part of the elite.

He took a terrible route for himself.

But I’m not sure how he could have fought for REAL change. What exactly do you mean by that? Are there people currently using their background and education to do that?

I don’t know that we can say yet that nothing changes. He’s shone a light on an issue that a lot of people clearly have strong feelings about. You need mass popular support to make real change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely not. The blame does not lie on the CEOs, but on the leadership that allows such a system. Fair, affordable, accessible healthcare for all is needed.

The leadership all the way to the top will now be billionaires who have no idea what it's like to need fair, affordable, accessible healthcare.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Change the question.

Why do you support CEOs killing people every day with their business decisions? Just because it is legal?

How much suffering did wall street bankers impose in the country after 2008 that require us all to collectively bail them out? How much suffering do healthcare exec inflict in thousands of people per day? When the high and nightly inflict suffering they are never punished for their crimes. They are rewarded for it with taxpayer bailouts, higher stock prices, and bigger paychecks.

You're asking the wrong question. Why do you support CEO malfeasance?

Sure ask thst question

Fight for real change which will not happen just by killing a CEO. Only stupid people think that way.

For large organizations, these guys are just as interchangeable. I'm sure there is an acting CEO who took over that guys work.

But this is un-American. Everyone is entitled to a trial by a jury of their peers

Maybe that doesn't matter anymore in this new America

So how do you suppose we change things then? American citizens cannot change the govt because citizens United has given unlimited buying and lobbying power to corporations and special interest groups to corrupt our government. The institutions that are supposed to regulate these businesses have also been captured.

So please tell us all how we are supposed to change this corporate oppression when we can't democratically elect officials to change laws since they're all bought by corporations or are blocked from doing so because of citizens United.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Of course not.

1. Killing this CEO is going to do nothing to change the industry. All the gunman did was ruin his own life (enjoy life in prison bud) and leave some kids without a dad.

2. People are dumb, and think anyone with more money is “the rich”. If you support killing “a CEO”, where do you draw the line? Minimum salary? Home value greater than X? If you feel that the local ice cream shop is charging too much and the CEO lives in a gated community, is that enough to warrant his death?

Luigi Mangione wasn’t dumb and knew the world of wealthy people very intimately. I imagine he spent his entire life in close proximity to CEO types and their kids. He knows how these people talk about the unwashed masses and he knows how precisely undeserving they are of the stratospheric levels of wealth they’ve acquired.

He also dropped off the grid recently. Very likely the shooting was caused by his mental illness rather than any disgust he felt over how the wealthy spoke

Both of those things can be true. I think a lot of kids raised in extreme privilege—at least those with a bit of a heart—have a time of reckoning in the 20s when they start to fully realize that their lifestyle has been made possible at the expense of the poor and working class.

Then it is very bad he took the route he did.

With his background and education he could have fought for REAL change, not just decided that popping the CEO was the way to make things happen.

At the end of the day, nothing changes and he becomes a footnote in the year 2024.

An uneducated person would think that shooting would change something, but he should have known better since you say he was part of the elite.

He took a terrible route for himself.

But I’m not sure how he could have fought for REAL change. What exactly do you mean by that? Are there people currently using their background and education to do that?

I don’t know that we can say yet that nothing changes. He’s shone a light on an issue that a lot of people clearly have strong feelings about. You need mass popular support to make real change.

You know, I have a normal job after going to public school and then a state school. I don't really know how the halls of power work.

But with his background of education (probably wealthy) and with his having a relative who is an elected official, I'm thinking he could figure out a way to help using his brains and not a gun.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Change the question.

Why do you support CEOs killing people every day with their business decisions? Just because it is legal?

How much suffering did wall street bankers impose in the country after 2008 that require us all to collectively bail them out? How much suffering do healthcare exec inflict in thousands of people per day? When the high and nightly inflict suffering they are never punished for their crimes. They are rewarded for it with taxpayer bailouts, higher stock prices, and bigger paychecks.

You're asking the wrong question. Why do you support CEO malfeasance?

Sure ask thst question

Fight for real change which will not happen just by killing a CEO. Only stupid people think that way.

For large organizations, these guys are just as interchangeable. I'm sure there is an acting CEO who took over that guys work.

But this is un-American. Everyone is entitled to a trial by a jury of their peers

Maybe that doesn't matter anymore in this new America

So how do you suppose we change things then? American citizens cannot change the govt because citizens United has given unlimited buying and lobbying power to corporations and special interest groups to corrupt our government. The institutions that are supposed to regulate these businesses have also been captured.

So please tell us all how we are supposed to change this corporate oppression when we can't democratically elect officials to change laws since they're all bought by corporations or are blocked from doing so because of citizens United.

You can’t murder people either to get your way. Back to the drawing board

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Change the question.

Why do you support CEOs killing people every day with their business decisions? Just because it is legal?

How much suffering did wall street bankers impose in the country after 2008 that require us all to collectively bail them out? How much suffering do healthcare exec inflict in thousands of people per day? When the high and nightly inflict suffering they are never punished for their crimes. They are rewarded for it with taxpayer bailouts, higher stock prices, and bigger paychecks.

You're asking the wrong question. Why do you support CEO malfeasance?

Sure ask thst question

Fight for real change which will not happen just by killing a CEO. Only stupid people think that way.

For large organizations, these guys are just as interchangeable. I'm sure there is an acting CEO who took over that guys work.

But this is un-American. Everyone is entitled to a trial by a jury of their peers

Maybe that doesn't matter anymore in this new America

So how do you suppose we change things then? American citizens cannot change the govt because citizens United has given unlimited buying and lobbying power to corporations and special interest groups to corrupt our government. The institutions that are supposed to regulate these businesses have also been captured.

So please tell us all how we are supposed to change this corporate oppression when we can't democratically elect officials to change laws since they're all bought by corporations or are blocked from doing so because of citizens United.

I see

So you think this is the way? It isn't. They guys can afford top security if they think they need it. Nothing changes because of this. Meanwhile you have untrained people running around with guns. Would you be fine if he missed and hit the guy behind him or killed the man's kids? You debase yourself while still changing nothing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, absolutely not. I think this killing was a horrible action.

I do think we need to take active steps to reducing the gap between the rich and the poor. This is a recipe for civil unrest and chronic unhappiness.

"In the first quarter of 2024, almost two-thirds percent of the total wealth in the United States was owned by the top 10 percent of earners. In comparison, the lowest 50 percent of earners only owned 2.5 percent of the total wealth."
https://www.statista.com/statistics/203961/wealth-distribution-for-the-us/#:~:text=U.S.%20wealth%20distribution%20Q2%202024&text=In%20the%20first%20quarter%20of,percent%20of%20the%20total%20wealth

The killer was part of the rich lol he had a bs and ms in cs from an ivy league school he could be making 200k

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Change the question.

Why do you support CEOs killing people every day with their business decisions? Just because it is legal?

How much suffering did wall street bankers impose in the country after 2008 that require us all to collectively bail them out? How much suffering do healthcare exec inflict in thousands of people per day? When the high and nightly inflict suffering they are never punished for their crimes. They are rewarded for it with taxpayer bailouts, higher stock prices, and bigger paychecks.

You're asking the wrong question. Why do you support CEO malfeasance?

Sure ask thst question

Fight for real change which will not happen just by killing a CEO. Only stupid people think that way.

For large organizations, these guys are just as interchangeable. I'm sure there is an acting CEO who took over that guys work.

But this is un-American. Everyone is entitled to a trial by a jury of their peers

Maybe that doesn't matter anymore in this new America

So how do you suppose we change things then? American citizens cannot change the govt because citizens United has given unlimited buying and lobbying power to corporations and special interest groups to corrupt our government. The institutions that are supposed to regulate these businesses have also been captured.

So please tell us all how we are supposed to change this corporate oppression when we can't democratically elect officials to change laws since they're all bought by corporations or are blocked from doing so because of citizens United.

You can’t murder people either to get your way. Back to the drawing board

And yet murdering entire classrooms of 7 year olds also doesn't change anything because of corporate and special interest lobbying.

Just bend over and take it, whether it is from uncontrollable gun violence to healthcare CEOs milling people en masse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Change the question.

Why do you support CEOs killing people every day with their business decisions? Just because it is legal?

How much suffering did wall street bankers impose in the country after 2008 that require us all to collectively bail them out? How much suffering do healthcare exec inflict in thousands of people per day? When the high and nightly inflict suffering they are never punished for their crimes. They are rewarded for it with taxpayer bailouts, higher stock prices, and bigger paychecks.

You're asking the wrong question. Why do you support CEO malfeasance?

Sure ask thst question

Fight for real change which will not happen just by killing a CEO. Only stupid people think that way.

For large organizations, these guys are just as interchangeable. I'm sure there is an acting CEO who took over that guys work.

But this is un-American. Everyone is entitled to a trial by a jury of their peers

Maybe that doesn't matter anymore in this new America

So how do you suppose we change things then? American citizens cannot change the govt because citizens United has given unlimited buying and lobbying power to corporations and special interest groups to corrupt our government. The institutions that are supposed to regulate these businesses have also been captured.

So please tell us all how we are supposed to change this corporate oppression when we can't democratically elect officials to change laws since they're all bought by corporations or are blocked from doing so because of citizens United.

I see

So you think this is the way? It isn't. They guys can afford top security if they think they need it. Nothing changes because of this. Meanwhile you have untrained people running around with guns. Would you be fine if he missed and hit the guy behind him or killed the man's kids? You debase yourself while still changing nothing

NP

I think original pp is asking how do you fight for real change, especially when you are up against a monolith like the American healthcare industry, not saying she thinks murdering the CEO is the right way.

So what are your suggestions?

[Anonymous]

Support murder? No.

But it thrills my heart to see someone rising up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course not.

1. Killing this CEO is going to do nothing to change the industry. All the gunman did was ruin his own life (enjoy life in prison bud) and leave some kids without a dad.

2. People are dumb, and think anyone with more money is “the rich”. If you support killing “a CEO”, where do you draw the line? Minimum salary? Home value greater than X? If you feel that the local ice cream shop is charging too much and the CEO lives in a gated community, is that enough to warrant his death?

Luigi Mangione wasn’t dumb and knew the world of wealthy people very intimately. I imagine he spent his entire life in close proximity to CEO types and their kids. He knows how these people talk about the unwashed masses and he knows how precisely undeserving they are of the stratospheric levels of wealth they’ve acquired.

He also dropped off the grid recently. Very likely the shooting was caused by his mental illness rather than any disgust he felt over how the wealthy spoke

Both of those things can be true. I think a lot of kids raised in extreme privilege—at least those with a bit of a heart—have a time of reckoning in the 20s when they start to fully realize that their lifestyle has been made possible at the expense of the poor and working class.

Then it is very bad he took the route he did.

With his background and education he could have fought for REAL change, not just decided that popping the CEO was the way to make things happen.

At the end of the day, nothing changes and he becomes a footnote in the year 2024.

An uneducated person would think that shooting would change something, but he should have known better since you say he was part of the elite.

He took a terrible route for himself.

But I’m not sure how he could have fought for REAL change. What exactly do you mean by that? Are there people currently using their background and education to do that?

I don’t know that we can say yet that nothing changes. He’s shone a light on an issue that a lot of people clearly have strong feelings about. You need mass popular support to make real change.

You know, I have a normal job after going to public school and then a state school. I don't really know how the halls of power work.

But with his background of education (probably wealthy) and with his having a relative who is an elected official, I'm thinking he could figure out a way to help using his brains and not a gun.

I think his actions might be telling us loud and clear how the halls of power work. (They don’t.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Support murder? No.

But it thrills my heart to see someone rising up.

This isn't Les Miz

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Change the question.

Why do you support CEOs killing people every day with their business decisions? Just because it is legal?

How much suffering did wall street bankers impose in the country after 2008 that require us all to collectively bail them out? How much suffering do healthcare exec inflict in thousands of people per day? When the high and nightly inflict suffering they are never punished for their crimes. They are rewarded for it with taxpayer bailouts, higher stock prices, and bigger paychecks.

You're asking the wrong question. Why do you support CEO malfeasance?

Sure ask thst question

Fight for real change which will not happen just by killing a CEO. Only stupid people think that way.

For large organizations, these guys are just as interchangeable. I'm sure there is an acting CEO who took over that guys work.

But this is un-American. Everyone is entitled to a trial by a jury of their peers

Maybe that doesn't matter anymore in this new America

So how do you suppose we change things then? American citizens cannot change the govt because citizens United has given unlimited buying and lobbying power to corporations and special interest groups to corrupt our government. The institutions that are supposed to regulate these businesses have also been captured.

So please tell us all how we are supposed to change this corporate oppression when we can't democratically elect officials to change laws since they're all bought by corporations or are blocked from doing so because of citizens United.

You can’t murder people either to get your way. Back to the drawing board

And yet murdering entire classrooms of 7 year olds also doesn't change anything because of corporate and special interest lobbying.

Just bend over and take it, whether it is from uncontrollable gun violence to healthcare CEOs milling people en masse.

Come up with a new idea since all the others aren’t working. It’s not up to others to solve your problems. Be the change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Change the question.

Why do you support CEOs killing people every day with their business decisions? Just because it is legal?

How much suffering did wall street bankers impose in the country after 2008 that require us all to collectively bail them out? How much suffering do healthcare exec inflict in thousands of people per day? When the high and nightly inflict suffering they are never punished for their crimes. They are rewarded for it with taxpayer bailouts, higher stock prices, and bigger paychecks.

You're asking the wrong question. Why do you support CEO malfeasance?

Sure ask thst question

Fight for real change which will not happen just by killing a CEO. Only stupid people think that way.

For large organizations, these guys are just as interchangeable. I'm sure there is an acting CEO who took over that guys work.

But this is un-American. Everyone is entitled to a trial by a jury of their peers

Maybe that doesn't matter anymore in this new America

So how do you suppose we change things then? American citizens cannot change the govt because citizens United has given unlimited buying and lobbying power to corporations and special interest groups to corrupt our government. The institutions that are supposed to regulate these businesses have also been captured.

So please tell us all how we are supposed to change this corporate oppression when we can't democratically elect officials to change laws since they're all bought by corporations or are blocked from doing so because of citizens United.

I see

So you think this is the way? It isn't. They guys can afford top security if they think they need it. Nothing changes because of this. Meanwhile you have untrained people running around with guns. Would you be fine if he missed and hit the guy behind him or killed the man's kids? You debase yourself while still changing nothing

Are you kidding me? We already have that. And no one will do anything about that either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Change the question.

Why do you support CEOs killing people every day with their business decisions? Just because it is legal?

How much suffering did wall street bankers impose in the country after 2008 that require us all to collectively bail them out? How much suffering do healthcare exec inflict in thousands of people per day? When the high and nightly inflict suffering they are never punished for their crimes. They are rewarded for it with taxpayer bailouts, higher stock prices, and bigger paychecks.

You're asking the wrong question. Why do you support CEO malfeasance?

Sure ask thst question

Fight for real change which will not happen just by killing a CEO. Only stupid people think that way.

For large organizations, these guys are just as interchangeable. I'm sure there is an acting CEO who took over that guys work.

But this is un-American. Everyone is entitled to a trial by a jury of their peers

Maybe that doesn't matter anymore in this new America

So how do you suppose we change things then? American citizens cannot change the govt because citizens United has given unlimited buying and lobbying power to corporations and special interest groups to corrupt our government. The institutions that are supposed to regulate these businesses have also been captured.

So please tell us all how we are supposed to change this corporate oppression when we can't democratically elect officials to change laws since they're all bought by corporations or are blocked from doing so because of citizens United.

You can’t murder people either to get your way. Back to the drawing board

And yet murdering entire classrooms of 7 year olds also doesn't change anything because of corporate and special interest lobbying.

Just bend over and take it, whether it is from uncontrollable gun violence to healthcare CEOs milling people en masse.

Come up with a new idea since all the others aren’t working. It’s not up to others to solve your problems. Be the change.

? It actually IS up to the people we elect to solve our problems. Otherwise, why are we electing them? And there ARE ideas right now in Congress. There is just no political will to make it happen.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/3421