What is the cumulative cost to parents of competitive/club sports (K-12) per child for a recruited athlete for college?

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Anonymous wrote:What are the costs of competitive club sports, plus coach time and any misc fees, per kid to get them recruited into college?

Does it vary by sport?

What is the cumulative cost for soccer? volleyball? etc.

Just have super smart kids who are kind and be the best in the school band or something similarly cheap & they can be at T10/ivy with no recruiting necessary and no sports cost. Both of mine are at different ivies. Most unhooked kids at the ivies are similar. The athletes get usually get mocked for not being as smart. The ones who are smart have to prove it every day in class. Even some professors assume they arent as bright and they are not taken as seriously unless they really put in the effort in seminars. I would never want my kid to be at a top school like an ivy as an athletic recruit, now that we have seen the other side.

How do you become the best in a band?

And do they recruit for band? OR would be a great soloist in the school choir be enough if that was the interest?

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Anonymous wrote:What are the costs of competitive club sports, plus coach time and any misc fees, per kid to get them recruited into college?

Does it vary by sport?

What is the cumulative cost for soccer? volleyball? etc.

Just have super smart kids who are kind and be the best in the school band or something similarly cheap & they can be at T10/ivy with no recruiting necessary and no sports cost. Both of mine are at different ivies. Most unhooked kids at the ivies are similar. The athletes get usually get mocked for not being as smart. The ones who are smart have to prove it every day in class. Even some professors assume they arent as bright and they are not taken as seriously unless they really put in the effort in seminars. I would never want my kid to be at a top school like an ivy as an athletic recruit, now that we have seen the other side.

What people don't get about top Ivies (unlike, eg, MIT or Cal Tech) is that it is not the best and the brightest - it is a majority collection of legacy, donor, and other institutional priorities. the smartest kids tend to be the ones who qualify for full rides. as for the athletes who "get mocked"? they are the ones, other than the $$ and connected, who will get the absolute biggest payoff of their college affiliation. aside from that, previous poster does not seem to be real, because anyone who thinks a kid gets into Yale for being "best in the school band" (lol) or similar, is living in another generation. the kids who get in for music are highly trained. are there some smart but not superstar and not $$$/connected kids there? sure, but not many, and they will probably get the least ROI on college.

wouldn't this kind of kid get the most out of a TT college? Bc they don't have the family network that the legacy/donor kids do. Or the athletic network of the recruited athletes. So these are the kids actually joining clubs, getting internships (through school) and doing stuff? How is there not a great ROI for these kids?

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Anonymous wrote:Rowing. West Coast.

Amazing club, runs Sept to May, 6 days/week.
$5000/year. Works out to about $8/hr for amazing coaches, boats, waterfront boathouse with ergs, etc…

Add $2500 per year for travel and uniform, if kid is in a top boat. If in a lower boat, just buy the racing suit, $100.

So $30,000 for all of high school. Kids too busy and motivated to get in trouble. Fantastic peer group from across a mix of private and public schools. Time spent outside. Community. Sport has the highest academic index of any team sport out there.

Can start in high school, which means kids can actually enjoy their childhood. But the team has limited space and tryouts are competitive. Helps to have the right body construction, but a great attitude and work ethic are also key.

What is the right body construction for rowing?

Very tall. Long arms and torso.

So Michael Phelps?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are the costs of competitive club sports, plus coach time and any misc fees, per kid to get them recruited into college?

Does it vary by sport?

What is the cumulative cost for soccer? volleyball? etc.

Just have super smart kids who are kind and be the best in the school band or something similarly cheap & they can be at T10/ivy with no recruiting necessary and no sports cost. Both of mine are at different ivies. Most unhooked kids at the ivies are similar. The athletes get usually get mocked for not being as smart. The ones who are smart have to prove it every day in class. Even some professors assume they arent as bright and they are not taken as seriously unless they really put in the effort in seminars. I would never want my kid to be at a top school like an ivy as an athletic recruit, now that we have seen the other side.

What people don't get about top Ivies (unlike, eg, MIT or Cal Tech) is that it is not the best and the brightest - it is a majority collection of legacy, donor, and other institutional priorities. the smartest kids tend to be the ones who qualify for full rides. as for the athletes who "get mocked"? they are the ones, other than the $$ and connected, who will get the absolute biggest payoff of their college affiliation. aside from that, previous poster does not seem to be real, because anyone who thinks a kid gets into Yale for being "best in the school band" (lol) or similar, is living in another generation. the kids who get in for music are highly trained. are there some smart but not superstar and not $$$/connected kids there? sure, but not many, and they will probably get the least ROI on college.

ivies do not give full rides to the smartest kids, they give them to the poorest kids.

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Anonymous wrote:9 yrs @ $40-45K/yr = $360-400K fencing

How is fencing $40k a year?!

Fencing Can Be Six-Figure Expensive, but It Wins in College Admissions, NYT Oct 2022

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/17/us/fencing-ivy-league-college-admissions.html?unlocked_article_code=1.hE4.II6E.hULg1ZgQQdx3&smid=url-share

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:9 yrs @ $40-45K/yr = $360-400K fencing

How is fencing $40k a year?!

Fencing Can Be Six-Figure Expensive, but It Wins in College Admissions, NYT Oct 2022

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/17/us/fencing-ivy-league-college-admissions.html?unlocked_article_code=1.hE4.II6E.hULg1ZgQQdx3&smid=url-share

and it does make sense, when money is no objection

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What are the costs of competitive club sports, plus coach time and any misc fees, per kid to get them recruited into college?

Does it vary by sport?

What is the cumulative cost for soccer? volleyball? etc.

Just have super smart kids who are kind and be the best in the school band or something similarly cheap & they can be at T10/ivy with no recruiting necessary and no sports cost. Both of mine are at different ivies. Most unhooked kids at the ivies are similar. The athletes get usually get mocked for not being as smart. The ones who are smart have to prove it every day in class. Even some professors assume they arent as bright and they are not taken as seriously unless they really put in the effort in seminars. I would never want my kid to be at a top school like an ivy as an athletic recruit, now that we have seen the other side.

Depends. In our team sport at two Ivys -- half the kids at least were pre-med track. And not freshman saying that but seniors and juniors. Not sure they have anything to prove. To the contrary they mock the NARPs nonstop.

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Anonymous wrote:What are the costs of competitive club sports, plus coach time and any misc fees, per kid to get them recruited into college?

Does it vary by sport?

What is the cumulative cost for soccer? volleyball? etc.

You could add it up but it is not just to get them recruited. You have no idea if they will be recruited or if an injury will stop the recruiting process at the wrong time. Those costs are because the kid loves the sport. A part of their social life is there -- friends. And it is something to do to stay fit. Most of the top recruited athletes are doing mutiple club sports before HS. Would they like to play in college someday -- sure but you never ever know how that will pan out so you cannot really add these costs and say this was for that.

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Gymnastics - I don’t even want to think about it, plus all the time… baby gymnastics- age 5, $1000, pre team 5/6 $1500, team ages 7-10 about $4k per year so $16000, optionals team about $6k per year ages 11-14 $30k, camps age 11-14 extra $2k per summer, $10k, level 9/10 years 14-17 about $10k, another $30k. This is also doing the “minimum” to get to level 9/10, ie minimal extra camps, coaching, choreography etc.

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Anonymous wrote:What are the costs of competitive club sports, plus coach time and any misc fees, per kid to get them recruited into college?

Does it vary by sport?

What is the cumulative cost for soccer? volleyball? etc.

This is why travel sports must be regulated. Once the university stopped recruiting directly from high school all bets are off.

For soccer it’s been the cost of Catholic High school in DMV - average over 10 years

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What is the right body construction for rowing?

Very tall. Long arms and torso.
So Michael Phelps?

Pretty much. The real recruiting is in the 6'4" to 6'6" range. But there are outliers on either side. L/R oars pair up, so you want those middle four seats to align like levers and haul. With perfect timing and grace. Most of the teams have now removed the height/weight from the roster. Not sure who complained? Yale still lists it. Take a look. If your son is in the top 1-2% for height and willing to work like a beast, he has a path. Same for your daughter, and she has a shot at real $$$.

https://yalebulldogs.com/sports/mens-crew/roster

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I can't bear to add it up but it was TOO MUCH.

And I regret it now.

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I have an Ivy athlete, and it’s the opposite of the “mocking” post. It’s just like high school or anywhere else, the tall, athletic, attractive ( and smart) students are doing just fine.

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My DD is an equestrian, could have gone D1 but didn't like the school options - best academic school would have been Baylor or UC Davis and she didn't want to go that far. That being said, we easily spent $30-40K per year NOT including the horse. The math doesn't really add up since only the top kids get significant money in D1 equestrian and those kids are already wealthy LOL.

We supported her because she loved it (as did I when I was a kid) and it kept her out of trouble. Now at a top 25 School and riding on the college club IHSA team. Horse was sold before she went to school and the proceeds and paid for almost all tuition.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are the costs of competitive club sports, plus coach time and any misc fees, per kid to get them recruited into college?

Does it vary by sport?

What is the cumulative cost for soccer? volleyball? etc.

Just have super smart kids who are kind and be the best in the school band or something similarly cheap & they can be at T10/ivy with no recruiting necessary and no sports cost. Both of mine are at different ivies. Most unhooked kids at the ivies are similar. The athletes get usually get mocked for not being as smart. The ones who are smart have to prove it every day in class. Even some professors assume they arent as bright and they are not taken as seriously unless they really put in the effort in seminars. I would never want my kid to be at a top school like an ivy as an athletic recruit, now that we have seen the other side.

How do you become the best in a band?

And do they recruit for band? OR would be a great soloist in the school choir be enough if that was the interest?

Top schools definitely recruit for music, although the process is later. But the kids who are recruited are doing music outside of school with the same intensity as the kids who will be recruited for sports. They aren't just "the best in the school choir", they're doing summer programs, and taking private lessons, and singing in auditioned outside ensembles.