Is this how conservatives felt when Obama was president?
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Anonymous
He let Michelle do that part externally |
Anonymous
Great question. I wonder if the PP will come back to respond. |
Anonymous
When did she say that during his presidency? |
Anonymous
He would cast blame on situations without all available information and that were totally opposite court outcomes. Treating more unrest and nasty violence amongst certain communities. Communities known for violence. Bad leadership |
Anonymous
Please provide a specific example from his first term. |
Anonymous
When did Michelle Obama talk about the black v white enemy within?! lol |
Anonymous
| Conservatives only had imaginary grievances about Obama and constantly had to invent dumb new things to be angry about - the tan suit, the "muslim prayer curtains," Michelle wearing a sleeveless dress and looking great in it, and all that. |
Anonymous
Conservatives survived because they coach their kids little league team, have season sports tickets, went fishing, volunteered at church, etc. they have hobbies and other interests. For liberals, this is it. It’s going to be a long 12 years. |
Anonymous
Yes, how dare Obama revive a crashing economy and make their health care more affordable? And by the way, I live in a deep blue area and little league and professional sports are alive and well. I see plenty of people fishing at the nearby lake and I myself volunteer at church. But nice try though. |
Anonymous
+ 1,000,000 Everyone knows his “felonies” are a joke. Basically an accounting error that resulted in 30 trumped up felony charges by far left attornies. An absolute complete joke. After I heard those 30 guilties I sent Trump my first ever political donation. I went from barely on the fence tolerating him because of policy to an active supporter because it was so obviously corrupt. The “felonies” didn’t work for y’all the way you thought they would but you never ever learn. The word “Felon” and his mugshot are now iconic for Trump and raised him a ton of money. |
Anonymous
Diehard conservative (and therefore no longer Republican, but that's not entirely relevant) here. Clinton was a slimeball of a man but politically he came to the center and a lot of conservative priorities happened under him. Yes thinking about him as a person makes anyone who cares about values sick, and did back then. But the politics weren't terrible. |
Anonymous
Nothing. PP is a fcking liar. |
Anonymous
After Romney lost in 2012 conservatives did a big "autopsy" of that election and concluded that their base was shrinking and aging and that they needed to shift left on immigration issues in particular in order to expand their "tent" and create more electoral possiblities. This was the reason Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz originally rose to prominence -- it was a concerted effort by the Republican party to capture the Latino vote and speak more directly to the immigrant community. Latinos were an obvious target because as a group they tend to be more socially conservative due to Catholicism and the large numbers of small business owners in the community make them persuadable on tax policy. Go find some interviews with Marco Rubio circa 2015 -- he used to speak passionately about these issues, talk about how he had undocumented family members and family friends, and argued in favor or a more liberalized immigration system that would create (gasp) pathways to citizenship. But otherwise towing a pretty standard conservative line on taxes and foreign policy. And the thing was, none of this was that dramatic for the GOP -- George W Bush *also* talked about pathways to citizenship and really did not take a hard line on immigration either as governor of Texas or as President. The feeling was that the party need to embrace that. Then Trump came in and was like "No immigrants are the enemy. Build a wall. America First." It was the exact opposite of what the party had decided it needed to do post-Romney and the base LOVED IT. There were a ton of conversations within the party about what a problem this was because even if Trump won (and no one actually believed he was going to) his approach was alienating the very demographic they'd been trying to attract since the last presidential cycle and he was doing it by making promises to the conservative base that were not realistic or forward-thinking in this area. Then Trump won and the whole party realigned itself behind him, including Rubio and others who had originally been viewed as the future of the party specifically for the way that they differed from Trump stylistically and politically. That post-2012 autopsy got thrown out the window and they went hard line on immigration and Trump's presidency was not only anti-immigrant but anti-Latino (or any person of color) with a disturbing embrace of far right white nationalist groups like the Proud Boys. This combined with Trump's massive mishandling of Covid led to his loss in 2020. Notice I haven't talked about Democrats once here? Because none of this was really about Democrats. They are and have been adrift as a party since Obama. For a lot of reasons. Clinton's loss in 2016 was hugely destabilizing because there was no real plan for that possibility -- they'd cleared the field for her and then she lost and the party honestly still has not recovered and continues to struggle to find leaders as dynamic and inspiring as Obama. The exceptions are all on the progressive left (AOC, Bernie) and the moderates really do not have no strong or persuasive voices. It's a personnel issue and also has to do with how Democrats recruit candidates, though I do see that finally changing with the new House leadership who is more focused on recruiting and raising up future stars. But they are still early in that process. The reason blaming Democrats for our current predicament is ridiculous is that Democrats have not driven politics AT ALL for the last 12 years. It's been the GOP and then specifically Trump. Dems have done their best to build an opposition to Trump but it's been especially hard because the party is just not built for it right now -- their most prominent voices are almost all retired and the ones who aren't are democratic socialists. And Trump defeated the candidate they thought was going to carry them out of the Obama years -- a moderate Dem with great name recognition and an incrementalist approach to social change and actually fairly conservative foreign policy. And the non-Trump Republicans helped bury her. So I guess sorry -- it's a rebuilding cycle. Trump is a GOP creation and he needs a GOP solution. And look what happened this year -- the GOP got a big chunk of exactly those Latino voters they started going after back in 2012. But you got them with Trump. If you are a Republican and you are mad about Trump, stop looking to Dems to save you. This time belongs to the GOP and this is what you're doing with it. This ones on you. |
Anonymous
Corrupt? Is that a joke? You voted for the guy who is guilty of fraud, paying off a porn star with campaign money, rape, etc. But yeah, holding him accountable for his crimes was "corrupt". Republicans are all about "law and order" except when it comes to their own. |
Anonymous
Bill Clinton is why trump won. He sold out the country with free trade and NAFTA. That’s when the poor really got shafted along with welfare reform. He grew up poor in Arkansas and left theme for dead retiring in Westchester unlike Jimmy Carter who went back to the farm in Georgia. Bill Clinton is when the Democrat Party went corporate and elitist |