Is “ reputable breeder” an oxymoron?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who didn't read the ONE AND ONLY sticky thread for this forum on DCUM:

"Posters in this forum tend to have very strong preferences between adopting from a rescue or shelter or from a breeder. Contrary to the apparent beliefs of some posters, there is no "right" side of this debate. Neither is there a "wrong" side. There are valid arguments for both options. Please allow posters to ask questions or discuss the option that they have determined is best for their family and don't seize on such discussions to promote your own favorite option.

If someone is discussing obtaining a pet from a breeder, please don't attempt to shame them into choosing a shelter instead.

If someone is discussing obtaining a pet from a shelter, please don't argue that a breeder is better (though I don't know that I've actually ever seen this happen in this forum)."

Bro, read the title of this thread, and then ask yourself why Jeff didn't lock it.

We're answering the question that was asked. Play along or don't, but don't try to come in here and pretend the question violates the rules when it clearly doesn't.

All the freakin' playground monitors on this site these days...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who didn't read the ONE AND ONLY sticky thread for this forum on DCUM:

"Posters in this forum tend to have very strong preferences between adopting from a rescue or shelter or from a breeder. Contrary to the apparent beliefs of some posters, there is no "right" side of this debate. Neither is there a "wrong" side. There are valid arguments for both options. Please allow posters to ask questions or discuss the option that they have determined is best for their family and don't seize on such discussions to promote your own favorite option.

If someone is discussing obtaining a pet from a breeder, please don't attempt to shame them into choosing a shelter instead.

If someone is discussing obtaining a pet from a shelter, please don't argue that a breeder is better (though I don't know that I've actually ever seen this happen in this forum)."

Bro, read the title of this thread, and then ask yourself why Jeff didn't lock it.

Ok Bro

We're answering the question that was asked. Play along or don't, but don't try to come in here and pretend the question violates the rules when it clearly doesn't.

All the freakin' playground monitors on this site these days...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reputable breeders produce dogs who will never end up in a shelter or mother bad situation because reputable breeders enforce their contracts.

This, plus they ensure that mother dogs aren't mistreated, and they try to ensure that genetic conditions that have destroyed species like Swiss Mountain Dogs, Cavaliers, and Flat Coated Retrievers aren't perpetuated.

People saying that "betterment of the breed" isn't a priority are ignoring the fact that yes, sometimes it means "their coat is perfectly symmetrical" but also it sometimes means "we don't lose them to cancer before their 6th birthday".

I agree that "reputable breeders" would put improving the genetic stock of a breed above $$, but it was the so-called "reputable breeders" brought us the genetic issues with Cavaliers, bulldogs, German Shepards, etc. In fact, if you watch the Westminster Kennel Club dog show, the "breed standard" often encourages the problems. The Champion German Shepard will barely be able to walk. Bulldogs have no fewer than 12 common genetic issues, most of which are the result of selecting for the breed standard, and have an average life span of 8.5 years. Cavaliers are the same.

The "reputable breeders" that get upset about hybrid breeding are a joke. Most of these breed crosses are much more likely to have a good genetic result vs. a pure bred dog.

[Anonymous]

Stop making up nonsense. Rescues are more questionable as they are resellling dogs. Rescuses should not be allowed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Stop making up nonsense. Rescues are more questionable as they are resellling dogs. Rescuses should not be allowed.

You know, there's no point in anyone trying to change your position. Honestly, I don't care where/why/ how anyone gets their pets, but I am real tired of seeing you post the same link over and over. You saw one thing, one time that aligned with your preexisting bias and decided that you needn't look into it any further. You are absolutely ridiculous, just stop

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stop making up nonsense. Rescues are more questionable as they are resellling dogs. Rescuses should not be allowed.

You know, there's no point in anyone trying to change your position. Honestly, I don't care where/why/ how anyone gets their pets, but I am real tired of seeing you post the same link over and over. You saw one thing, one time that aligned with your preexisting bias and decided that you needn't look into it any further. You are absolutely ridiculous, just stop

And, I'm tired of your posts bashing breeders and acting like rescues and shelters are the only way to go. You are overly biased. You just stop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes

I personally believe that all domestic pet breeding should be banned by federal law and should apply to anyone who purposefully or “accidentally” breeds any domestic animal that is or can be kept as a pet.

Spoken by a true liberal who doesn't even understand the basics of state law and local ordinances versus federalism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stop making up nonsense. Rescues are more questionable as they are resellling dogs. Rescuses should not be allowed.

You know, there's no point in anyone trying to change your position. Honestly, I don't care where/why/ how anyone gets their pets, but I am real tired of seeing you post the same link over and over. You saw one thing, one time that aligned with your preexisting bias and decided that you needn't look into it any further. You are absolutely ridiculous, just stop

And, I'm tired of your posts bashing breeders and acting like rescues and shelters are the only way to go. You are overly biased. You just stop.

You've got the wrong poster. Buy a dog, adopt a dog, find one on the street, I genuinely don't care Everyone doesn't need to do the same thing. You are just the easily recognized crackpot who always posts the exact same thing. You need a new schtick. You are boring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When we as a country and planet are inundated with dogs, when we know that hundreds of dogs are euthanized every day or left to languish in no kill shelter, Is it reputable to breed dogs because you want them to look a certain way? Or think they will act a certain way?
If breeders add even more dogs into society and charge people thousands of dollars to do so, and you consider that reputable, please share why.
And don’t say “ betterment of the breed” that’s just made up jargon by the AKC.

We're only inundated with pitbulls and other undesirables. I don't see any stray golden retriever puppies taking up space at the pound.

This. Pit bulls and beagle mixes. No thanks. The irresponsible people are the pit bull owners who don’t get their dogs fixed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When we as a country and planet are inundated with dogs, when we know that hundreds of dogs are euthanized every day or left to languish in no kill shelter, Is it reputable to breed dogs because you want them to look a certain way? Or think they will act a certain way?
If breeders add even more dogs into society and charge people thousands of dollars to do so, and you consider that reputable, please share why.
And don’t say “ betterment of the breed” that’s just made up jargon by the AKC.

We're only inundated with pitbulls and other undesirables. I don't see any stray golden retriever puppies taking up space at the pound.

This. Pit bulls and beagle mixes. No thanks. The irresponsible people are the pit bull owners who don’t get their dogs fixed.

The irresponsible people are owners of any pet-grade dog(s) who don't get their dogs fixed. Nobody needs to be breeding mutts, or even at-home purebreds.

I'll ignore the anti-"pit bull" bias and point out that there are breed-specific rescues that pick up dogs from shelters, and/or offer them a spot before they land there. The goldens are at one of the golden rescues, the labs at the lab rescue, etc. There are plenty of discarded dogs there, too.

We don't need more dogs. Anyone breeding dogs outside of very specific purposes is less-than-reputable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When we as a country and planet are inundated with dogs, when we know that hundreds of dogs are euthanized every day or left to languish in no kill shelter, Is it reputable to breed dogs because you want them to look a certain way? Or think they will act a certain way?
If breeders add even more dogs into society and charge people thousands of dollars to do so, and you consider that reputable, please share why.
And don’t say “ betterment of the breed” that’s just made up jargon by the AKC.

We're only inundated with pitbulls and other undesirables. I don't see any stray golden retriever puppies taking up space at the pound.

This. Pit bulls and beagle mixes. No thanks. The irresponsible people are the pit bull owners who don’t get their dogs fixed.

Not true you just need to widen your search. Petfinder is a great resource. Or look up rescue groups for the breed you want.

[Anonymous]

I volunteer with a rescue organization and think there is room for both rescue and responsible breeding. Unlike many in rescue I absolutely believe in euthanizing for behavioral reason or even just because a dog is not desirable. I find it mind boggling that rescues keep a dog for years because the dog "just needs the right family"- Nope, if a dog is so reactive that they are too dangerous for the general public they need to be euthanized.

When it comes to breeders I support those who breed real breeds, not of this random breed mix mutt crap. I support breeders who breed to breed standards, perform genetic testing and breed for temperament. This dogs are well cared for and do not end up in shelters. I do think puppy mills/large commercial breeders and breeders of mutt, and yes doodle are mutts, should be banned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When we as a country and planet are inundated with dogs, when we know that hundreds of dogs are euthanized every day or left to languish in no kill shelter, Is it reputable to breed dogs because you want them to look a certain way? Or think they will act a certain way?
If breeders add even more dogs into society and charge people thousands of dollars to do so, and you consider that reputable, please share why.
And don’t say “ betterment of the breed” that’s just made up jargon by the AKC.

We're only inundated with pitbulls and other undesirables. I don't see any stray golden retriever puppies taking up space at the pound.

This. Pit bulls and beagle mixes. No thanks. The irresponsible people are the pit bull owners who don’t get their dogs fixed.

The irresponsible people are owners of any pet-grade dog(s) who don't get their dogs fixed. Nobody needs to be breeding mutts, or even at-home purebreds.

I'll ignore the anti-"pit bull" bias and point out that there are breed-specific rescues that pick up dogs from shelters, and/or offer them a spot before they land there. The goldens are at one of the golden rescues, the labs at the lab rescue, etc. There are plenty of discarded dogs there, too.

We don't need more dogs. Anyone breeding dogs outside of very specific purposes is less-than-reputable.

What does this even mean? We don't need more dogs. People want dogs. So, yes, its ok that they are breed, just like humans. Rescuses are just reselling dogs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When we as a country and planet are inundated with dogs, when we know that hundreds of dogs are euthanized every day or left to languish in no kill shelter, Is it reputable to breed dogs because you want them to look a certain way? Or think they will act a certain way?
If breeders add even more dogs into society and charge people thousands of dollars to do so, and you consider that reputable, please share why.
And don’t say “ betterment of the breed” that’s just made up jargon by the AKC.

We're only inundated with pitbulls and other undesirables. I don't see any stray golden retriever puppies taking up space at the pound.

This. Pit bulls and beagle mixes. No thanks. The irresponsible people are the pit bull owners who don’t get their dogs fixed.

Not true you just need to widen your search. Petfinder is a great resource. Or look up rescue groups for the breed you want.

I'd rather deal with a breeder than a rescue group. The cost of the dog was worth avoiding the crazy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When we as a country and planet are inundated with dogs, when we know that hundreds of dogs are euthanized every day or left to languish in no kill shelter, Is it reputable to breed dogs because you want them to look a certain way? Or think they will act a certain way?
If breeders add even more dogs into society and charge people thousands of dollars to do so, and you consider that reputable, please share why.
And don’t say “ betterment of the breed” that’s just made up jargon by the AKC.

We're only inundated with pitbulls and other undesirables. I don't see any stray golden retriever puppies taking up space at the pound.

This. Pit bulls and beagle mixes. No thanks. The irresponsible people are the pit bull owners who don’t get their dogs fixed.

The irresponsible people are owners of any pet-grade dog(s) who don't get their dogs fixed. Nobody needs to be breeding mutts, or even at-home purebreds.

I'll ignore the anti-"pit bull" bias and point out that there are breed-specific rescues that pick up dogs from shelters, and/or offer them a spot before they land there. The goldens are at one of the golden rescues, the labs at the lab rescue, etc. There are plenty of discarded dogs there, too.

We don't need more dogs. Anyone breeding dogs outside of very specific purposes is less-than-reputable.

What does this even mean? We don't need more dogs. People want dogs. So, yes, its ok that they are breed, just like humans. Rescuses are just reselling dogs.

No, not "just like humans" at all.