Term limit for Montgomery County Executive?

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Anonymous wrote:Yep, Elrich just released a video today about how awful and stupid the upzoning is. I have no idea how much of a say he has in it, but I am thankful he's speaking out against it.

He has no say in it. Some of what he says about it is right and some of what he says about is wrong. The proposal he outlined for housing would make housing prices even higher than the Planning proposal would.

Get specific about what Elrich proposes that will make housing even more expensive. There’s nothing.

But more importantly, he makes two key points:

There is enough housing planned for development ALREADY in Montgomery County. We don’t have an issue is scarcity that developers want us to think warrants ruining SFH communities to ensure they make $$$ hassle free.

There is nothing in the “attainable housing plan” that ensures affordability- NOTHING. It’s just a plan to make it easier for developers to build quadplexes without having the “annoyance” of worrying about the impact on the community, including schools and infrastructure.

Moratoria, for example, would make housing more expensive.

Yes. But they work towards ensuring adequate infrastructure, which, if left unaddressed, would make the housing created less valuable (not just the consequent price, but the intrinsic value to each resident and to society, collectively), along with all of the existing housing.

Please come up with solutions that do both, and among which full detail and robust comparative evaluations are made available for publicly available for comment for an extended period prior to plans being put forth.

We don't build infrastructure until we have the population that needs it.

That’s a pretty stupid way to go about it. You don’t have to dig the holes, but you need to have a comprehensive plan, especially if it’s such a “crisis.”

Plan. PLAN. Planning.

Is this a foreign concept to the PLANNING Board?

Is just giving up, seeing what sticks, and then playing infrastructure catchup for the next several decades really a plan?

Yes, it is. That is how Montgomery County has been doing it for the entire history of development in Montgomery County. Montgomery County has never, ever built the infrastructure before the population that needs it.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep, Elrich just released a video today about how awful and stupid the upzoning is. I have no idea how much of a say he has in it, but I am thankful he's speaking out against it.

He has no say in it. Some of what he says about it is right and some of what he says about is wrong. The proposal he outlined for housing would make housing prices even higher than the Planning proposal would.

Get specific about what Elrich proposes that will make housing even more expensive. There’s nothing.

But more importantly, he makes two key points:

There is enough housing planned for development ALREADY in Montgomery County. We don’t have an issue is scarcity that developers want us to think warrants ruining SFH communities to ensure they make $$$ hassle free.

There is nothing in the “attainable housing plan” that ensures affordability- NOTHING. It’s just a plan to make it easier for developers to build quadplexes without having the “annoyance” of worrying about the impact on the community, including schools and infrastructure.

Moratoria, for example, would make housing more expensive.

Yes. But they work towards ensuring adequate infrastructure, which, if left unaddressed, would make the housing created less valuable (not just the consequent price, but the intrinsic value to each resident and to society, collectively), along with all of the existing housing.

Please come up with solutions that do both, and among which full detail and robust comparative evaluations are made available for publicly available for comment for an extended period prior to plans being put forth.

We don't build infrastructure until we have the population that needs it.

That’s a pretty stupid way to go about it. You don’t have to dig the holes, but you need to have a comprehensive plan, especially if it’s such a “crisis.”

Plan. PLAN. Planning.

Is this a foreign concept to the PLANNING Board?

Is just giving up, seeing what sticks, and then playing infrastructure catchup for the next several decades really a plan?

Yes, it is. That is how Montgomery County has been doing it for the entire history of development in Montgomery County. Montgomery County has never, ever built the infrastructure before the population that needs it.

Well, that seems pretty correctable. However, not by speeding up the pace of decline via this attainable housing “plan.”

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I wonder if the County Executive can call a snap election.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep, Elrich just released a video today about how awful and stupid the upzoning is. I have no idea how much of a say he has in it, but I am thankful he's speaking out against it.

He has no say in it. Some of what he says about it is right and some of what he says about is wrong. The proposal he outlined for housing would make housing prices even higher than the Planning proposal would.

Get specific about what Elrich proposes that will make housing even more expensive. There’s nothing.

But more importantly, he makes two key points:

There is enough housing planned for development ALREADY in Montgomery County. We don’t have an issue is scarcity that developers want us to think warrants ruining SFH communities to ensure they make $$$ hassle free.

There is nothing in the “attainable housing plan” that ensures affordability- NOTHING. It’s just a plan to make it easier for developers to build quadplexes without having the “annoyance” of worrying about the impact on the community, including schools and infrastructure.

Moratoria, for example, would make housing more expensive.

Yes. But they work towards ensuring adequate infrastructure, which, if left unaddressed, would make the housing created less valuable (not just the consequent price, but the intrinsic value to each resident and to society, collectively), along with all of the existing housing.

Please come up with solutions that do both, and among which full detail and robust comparative evaluations are made available for publicly available for comment for an extended period prior to plans being put forth.

We don't build infrastructure until we have the population that needs it.

That’s a pretty stupid way to go about it. You don’t have to dig the holes, but you need to have a comprehensive plan, especially if it’s such a “crisis.”

Plan. PLAN. Planning.

Is this a foreign concept to the PLANNING Board?

Is just giving up, seeing what sticks, and then playing infrastructure catchup for the next several decades really a plan?

Yes, it is. That is how Montgomery County has been doing it for the entire history of development in Montgomery County. Montgomery County has never, ever built the infrastructure before the population that needs it.

Well, that seems pretty correctable. However, not by speeding up the pace of decline via this attainable housing “plan.”

It does? How?

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Anonymous wrote:Yep, Elrich just released a video today about how awful and stupid the upzoning is. I have no idea how much of a say he has in it, but I am thankful he's speaking out against it.

He has no say in it. Some of what he says about it is right and some of what he says about is wrong. The proposal he outlined for housing would make housing prices even higher than the Planning proposal would.

Get specific about what Elrich proposes that will make housing even more expensive. There’s nothing.

But more importantly, he makes two key points:

There is enough housing planned for development ALREADY in Montgomery County. We don’t have an issue is scarcity that developers want us to think warrants ruining SFH communities to ensure they make $$$ hassle free.

There is nothing in the “attainable housing plan” that ensures affordability- NOTHING. It’s just a plan to make it easier for developers to build quadplexes without having the “annoyance” of worrying about the impact on the community, including schools and infrastructure.

Moratoria, for example, would make housing more expensive.

Yes. But they work towards ensuring adequate infrastructure, which, if left unaddressed, would make the housing created less valuable (not just the consequent price, but the intrinsic value to each resident and to society, collectively), along with all of the existing housing.

Please come up with solutions that do both, and among which full detail and robust comparative evaluations are made available for publicly available for comment for an extended period prior to plans being put forth.

We don't build infrastructure until we have the population that needs it.

That’s a pretty stupid way to go about it. You don’t have to dig the holes, but you need to have a comprehensive plan, especially if it’s such a “crisis.”

Plan. PLAN. Planning.

Is this a foreign concept to the PLANNING Board?

Is just giving up, seeing what sticks, and then playing infrastructure catchup for the next several decades really a plan?

Yes, it is. That is how Montgomery County has been doing it for the entire history of development in Montgomery County. Montgomery County has never, ever built the infrastructure before the population that needs it.

Well, that seems pretty correctable. However, not by speeding up the pace of decline via this attainable housing “plan.”

It does? How?

I would think by making sure that, in the future, the infrastructure met the coincident need of the population. With planning.

-- DP

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Anonymous wrote:Yep, Elrich just released a video today about how awful and stupid the upzoning is. I have no idea how much of a say he has in it, but I am thankful he's speaking out against it.

He has no say in it. Some of what he says about it is right and some of what he says about is wrong. The proposal he outlined for housing would make housing prices even higher than the Planning proposal would.

Get specific about what Elrich proposes that will make housing even more expensive. There’s nothing.

But more importantly, he makes two key points:

There is enough housing planned for development ALREADY in Montgomery County. We don’t have an issue is scarcity that developers want us to think warrants ruining SFH communities to ensure they make $$$ hassle free.

There is nothing in the “attainable housing plan” that ensures affordability- NOTHING. It’s just a plan to make it easier for developers to build quadplexes without having the “annoyance” of worrying about the impact on the community, including schools and infrastructure.

Moratoria, for example, would make housing more expensive.

Yes. But they work towards ensuring adequate infrastructure, which, if left unaddressed, would make the housing created less valuable (not just the consequent price, but the intrinsic value to each resident and to society, collectively), along with all of the existing housing.

Please come up with solutions that do both, and among which full detail and robust comparative evaluations are made available for publicly available for comment for an extended period prior to plans being put forth.

We don't build infrastructure until we have the population that needs it.

That’s a pretty stupid way to go about it. You don’t have to dig the holes, but you need to have a comprehensive plan, especially if it’s such a “crisis.”

Plan. PLAN. Planning.

Is this a foreign concept to the PLANNING Board?

Is just giving up, seeing what sticks, and then playing infrastructure catchup for the next several decades really a plan?

Yes, it is. That is how Montgomery County has been doing it for the entire history of development in Montgomery County. Montgomery County has never, ever built the infrastructure before the population that needs it.

Well, that seems pretty correctable. However, not by speeding up the pace of decline via this attainable housing “plan.”

It does? How?

I would think by making sure that, in the future, the infrastructure met the coincident need of the population. With planning.

-- DP

Oh, how silly of the entire Montgomery County land use process to have been doing it wrong for over 100 years, when they could have solved their problems by simply ... planning.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep, Elrich just released a video today about how awful and stupid the upzoning is. I have no idea how much of a say he has in it, but I am thankful he's speaking out against it.

He has no say in it. Some of what he says about it is right and some of what he says about is wrong. The proposal he outlined for housing would make housing prices even higher than the Planning proposal would.

Get specific about what Elrich proposes that will make housing even more expensive. There’s nothing.

But more importantly, he makes two key points:

There is enough housing planned for development ALREADY in Montgomery County. We don’t have an issue is scarcity that developers want us to think warrants ruining SFH communities to ensure they make $$$ hassle free.

There is nothing in the “attainable housing plan” that ensures affordability- NOTHING. It’s just a plan to make it easier for developers to build quadplexes without having the “annoyance” of worrying about the impact on the community, including schools and infrastructure.

Moratoria, for example, would make housing more expensive.

Yes. But they work towards ensuring adequate infrastructure, which, if left unaddressed, would make the housing created less valuable (not just the consequent price, but the intrinsic value to each resident and to society, collectively), along with all of the existing housing.

Please come up with solutions that do both, and among which full detail and robust comparative evaluations are made available for publicly available for comment for an extended period prior to plans being put forth.

We don't build infrastructure until we have the population that needs it.

That’s a pretty stupid way to go about it. You don’t have to dig the holes, but you need to have a comprehensive plan, especially if it’s such a “crisis.”

Plan. PLAN. Planning.

Is this a foreign concept to the PLANNING Board?

Is just giving up, seeing what sticks, and then playing infrastructure catchup for the next several decades really a plan?

Yes, it is. That is how Montgomery County has been doing it for the entire history of development in Montgomery County. Montgomery County has never, ever built the infrastructure before the population that needs it.

Well, that seems pretty correctable. However, not by speeding up the pace of decline via this attainable housing “plan.”

It does? How?

I would think by making sure that, in the future, the infrastructure met the coincident need of the population. With planning.

-- DP

Oh, how silly of the entire Montgomery County land use process to have been doing it wrong for over 100 years, when they could have solved their problems by simply ... planning.

Certainly, there is nothing to be learned from the past. Or from meaningful dialog. Or from comprehensive research. Or...

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Anonymous wrote:Yep, Elrich just released a video today about how awful and stupid the upzoning is. I have no idea how much of a say he has in it, but I am thankful he's speaking out against it.

He has no say in it. Some of what he says about it is right and some of what he says about is wrong. The proposal he outlined for housing would make housing prices even higher than the Planning proposal would.

Get specific about what Elrich proposes that will make housing even more expensive. There’s nothing.

But more importantly, he makes two key points:

There is enough housing planned for development ALREADY in Montgomery County. We don’t have an issue is scarcity that developers want us to think warrants ruining SFH communities to ensure they make $$$ hassle free.

There is nothing in the “attainable housing plan” that ensures affordability- NOTHING. It’s just a plan to make it easier for developers to build quadplexes without having the “annoyance” of worrying about the impact on the community, including schools and infrastructure.

Moratoria, for example, would make housing more expensive.

Yes. But they work towards ensuring adequate infrastructure, which, if left unaddressed, would make the housing created less valuable (not just the consequent price, but the intrinsic value to each resident and to society, collectively), along with all of the existing housing.

Please come up with solutions that do both, and among which full detail and robust comparative evaluations are made available for publicly available for comment for an extended period prior to plans being put forth.

We don't build infrastructure until we have the population that needs it.

That’s a pretty stupid way to go about it. You don’t have to dig the holes, but you need to have a comprehensive plan, especially if it’s such a “crisis.”

Plan. PLAN. Planning.

Is this a foreign concept to the PLANNING Board?

Is just giving up, seeing what sticks, and then playing infrastructure catchup for the next several decades really a plan?

Yes, it is. That is how Montgomery County has been doing it for the entire history of development in Montgomery County. Montgomery County has never, ever built the infrastructure before the population that needs it.

Well, that seems pretty correctable. However, not by speeding up the pace of decline via this attainable housing “plan.”

It does? How?

I would think by making sure that, in the future, the infrastructure met the coincident need of the population. With planning.

-- DP

Oh, how silly of the entire Montgomery County land use process to have been doing it wrong for over 100 years, when they could have solved their problems by simply ... planning.

Certainly, there is nothing to be learned from the past. Or from meaningful dialog. Or from comprehensive research. Or...

There is plenty to be learned from the past, and I suggest you start doing it. One good book you could read is Suburb, by Royce Hanson.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep, Elrich just released a video today about how awful and stupid the upzoning is. I have no idea how much of a say he has in it, but I am thankful he's speaking out against it.

He has no say in it. Some of what he says about it is right and some of what he says about is wrong. The proposal he outlined for housing would make housing prices even higher than the Planning proposal would.

Get specific about what Elrich proposes that will make housing even more expensive. There’s nothing.

But more importantly, he makes two key points:

There is enough housing planned for development ALREADY in Montgomery County. We don’t have an issue is scarcity that developers want us to think warrants ruining SFH communities to ensure they make $$$ hassle free.

There is nothing in the “attainable housing plan” that ensures affordability- NOTHING. It’s just a plan to make it easier for developers to build quadplexes without having the “annoyance” of worrying about the impact on the community, including schools and infrastructure.

Moratoria, for example, would make housing more expensive.

Yes. But they work towards ensuring adequate infrastructure, which, if left unaddressed, would make the housing created less valuable (not just the consequent price, but the intrinsic value to each resident and to society, collectively), along with all of the existing housing.

Please come up with solutions that do both, and among which full detail and robust comparative evaluations are made available for publicly available for comment for an extended period prior to plans being put forth.

We don't build infrastructure until we have the population that needs it.

That’s a pretty stupid way to go about it. You don’t have to dig the holes, but you need to have a comprehensive plan, especially if it’s such a “crisis.”

Plan. PLAN. Planning.

Is this a foreign concept to the PLANNING Board?

Is just giving up, seeing what sticks, and then playing infrastructure catchup for the next several decades really a plan?

Yes, it is. That is how Montgomery County has been doing it for the entire history of development in Montgomery County. Montgomery County has never, ever built the infrastructure before the population that needs it.

Well, that seems pretty correctable. However, not by speeding up the pace of decline via this attainable housing “plan.”

It does? How?

I would think by making sure that, in the future, the infrastructure met the coincident need of the population. With planning.

-- DP

Oh, how silly of the entire Montgomery County land use process to have been doing it wrong for over 100 years, when they could have solved their problems by simply ... planning.

Certainly, there is nothing to be learned from the past. Or from meaningful dialog. Or from comprehensive research. Or...

There is plenty to be learned from the past, and I suggest you start doing it. One good book you could read is Suburb, by Royce Hanson.

Does it clearly state that planning departments should not seek to ensure infrastructure needs are met when considering development?

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Anonymous wrote:Yep, Elrich just released a video today about how awful and stupid the upzoning is. I have no idea how much of a say he has in it, but I am thankful he's speaking out against it.

He has no say in it. Some of what he says about it is right and some of what he says about is wrong. The proposal he outlined for housing would make housing prices even higher than the Planning proposal would.

Get specific about what Elrich proposes that will make housing even more expensive. There’s nothing.

But more importantly, he makes two key points:

There is enough housing planned for development ALREADY in Montgomery County. We don’t have an issue is scarcity that developers want us to think warrants ruining SFH communities to ensure they make $$$ hassle free.

There is nothing in the “attainable housing plan” that ensures affordability- NOTHING. It’s just a plan to make it easier for developers to build quadplexes without having the “annoyance” of worrying about the impact on the community, including schools and infrastructure.

Moratoria, for example, would make housing more expensive.

Yes. But they work towards ensuring adequate infrastructure, which, if left unaddressed, would make the housing created less valuable (not just the consequent price, but the intrinsic value to each resident and to society, collectively), along with all of the existing housing.

Please come up with solutions that do both, and among which full detail and robust comparative evaluations are made available for publicly available for comment for an extended period prior to plans being put forth.

We don't build infrastructure until we have the population that needs it.

That’s a pretty stupid way to go about it. You don’t have to dig the holes, but you need to have a comprehensive plan, especially if it’s such a “crisis.”

Plan. PLAN. Planning.

Is this a foreign concept to the PLANNING Board?

Is just giving up, seeing what sticks, and then playing infrastructure catchup for the next several decades really a plan?

Yes, it is. That is how Montgomery County has been doing it for the entire history of development in Montgomery County. Montgomery County has never, ever built the infrastructure before the population that needs it.

Well, that seems pretty correctable. However, not by speeding up the pace of decline via this attainable housing “plan.”

It does? How?

I would think by making sure that, in the future, the infrastructure met the coincident need of the population. With planning.

-- DP

Oh, how silly of the entire Montgomery County land use process to have been doing it wrong for over 100 years, when they could have solved their problems by simply ... planning.

Certainly, there is nothing to be learned from the past. Or from meaningful dialog. Or from comprehensive research. Or...

There is plenty to be learned from the past, and I suggest you start doing it. One good book you could read is Suburb, by Royce Hanson.

Does it clearly state that planning departments should not seek to ensure infrastructure needs are met when considering development?

Read the book. You will learn a lot, or at minimum, it is possible for a person who reads the book to learn a lot from it.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep, Elrich just released a video today about how awful and stupid the upzoning is. I have no idea how much of a say he has in it, but I am thankful he's speaking out against it.

He has no say in it. Some of what he says about it is right and some of what he says about is wrong. The proposal he outlined for housing would make housing prices even higher than the Planning proposal would.

Get specific about what Elrich proposes that will make housing even more expensive. There’s nothing.

But more importantly, he makes two key points:

There is enough housing planned for development ALREADY in Montgomery County. We don’t have an issue is scarcity that developers want us to think warrants ruining SFH communities to ensure they make $$$ hassle free.

There is nothing in the “attainable housing plan” that ensures affordability- NOTHING. It’s just a plan to make it easier for developers to build quadplexes without having the “annoyance” of worrying about the impact on the community, including schools and infrastructure.

Moratoria, for example, would make housing more expensive.

Yes. But they work towards ensuring adequate infrastructure, which, if left unaddressed, would make the housing created less valuable (not just the consequent price, but the intrinsic value to each resident and to society, collectively), along with all of the existing housing.

Please come up with solutions that do both, and among which full detail and robust comparative evaluations are made available for publicly available for comment for an extended period prior to plans being put forth.

We don't build infrastructure until we have the population that needs it.

That’s a pretty stupid way to go about it. You don’t have to dig the holes, but you need to have a comprehensive plan, especially if it’s such a “crisis.”

Plan. PLAN. Planning.

Is this a foreign concept to the PLANNING Board?

Is just giving up, seeing what sticks, and then playing infrastructure catchup for the next several decades really a plan?

Yes, it is. That is how Montgomery County has been doing it for the entire history of development in Montgomery County. Montgomery County has never, ever built the infrastructure before the population that needs it.

Well, that seems pretty correctable. However, not by speeding up the pace of decline via this attainable housing “plan.”

It does? How?

I would think by making sure that, in the future, the infrastructure met the coincident need of the population. With planning.

-- DP

Oh, how silly of the entire Montgomery County land use process to have been doing it wrong for over 100 years, when they could have solved their problems by simply ... planning.

Certainly, there is nothing to be learned from the past. Or from meaningful dialog. Or from comprehensive research. Or...

There is plenty to be learned from the past, and I suggest you start doing it. One good book you could read is Suburb, by Royce Hanson.

Does it clearly state that planning departments should not seek to ensure infrastructure needs are met when considering development?

Read the book. You will learn a lot, or at minimum, it is possible for a person who reads the book to learn a lot from it.

So...no, then. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep, Elrich just released a video today about how awful and stupid the upzoning is. I have no idea how much of a say he has in it, but I am thankful he's speaking out against it.

He has no say in it. Some of what he says about it is right and some of what he says about is wrong. The proposal he outlined for housing would make housing prices even higher than the Planning proposal would.

Get specific about what Elrich proposes that will make housing even more expensive. There’s nothing.

But more importantly, he makes two key points:

There is enough housing planned for development ALREADY in Montgomery County. We don’t have an issue is scarcity that developers want us to think warrants ruining SFH communities to ensure they make $$$ hassle free.

There is nothing in the “attainable housing plan” that ensures affordability- NOTHING. It’s just a plan to make it easier for developers to build quadplexes without having the “annoyance” of worrying about the impact on the community, including schools and infrastructure.

Moratoria, for example, would make housing more expensive.

Yes. But they work towards ensuring adequate infrastructure, which, if left unaddressed, would make the housing created less valuable (not just the consequent price, but the intrinsic value to each resident and to society, collectively), along with all of the existing housing.

Please come up with solutions that do both, and among which full detail and robust comparative evaluations are made available for publicly available for comment for an extended period prior to plans being put forth.

We don't build infrastructure until we have the population that needs it.

That’s a pretty stupid way to go about it. You don’t have to dig the holes, but you need to have a comprehensive plan, especially if it’s such a “crisis.”

Plan. PLAN. Planning.

Is this a foreign concept to the PLANNING Board?

Is just giving up, seeing what sticks, and then playing infrastructure catchup for the next several decades really a plan?

Yes, it is. That is how Montgomery County has been doing it for the entire history of development in Montgomery County. Montgomery County has never, ever built the infrastructure before the population that needs it.

Well, that seems pretty correctable. However, not by speeding up the pace of decline via this attainable housing “plan.”

It does? How?

Before you build things you ensure that infrastructure is in place or you produce a plan to build it.

You should plan communities. I love the fact that you’ve really dug into opposing this.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep, Elrich just released a video today about how awful and stupid the upzoning is. I have no idea how much of a say he has in it, but I am thankful he's speaking out against it.

He has no say in it. Some of what he says about it is right and some of what he says about is wrong. The proposal he outlined for housing would make housing prices even higher than the Planning proposal would.

Get specific about what Elrich proposes that will make housing even more expensive. There’s nothing.

But more importantly, he makes two key points:

There is enough housing planned for development ALREADY in Montgomery County. We don’t have an issue is scarcity that developers want us to think warrants ruining SFH communities to ensure they make $$$ hassle free.

There is nothing in the “attainable housing plan” that ensures affordability- NOTHING. It’s just a plan to make it easier for developers to build quadplexes without having the “annoyance” of worrying about the impact on the community, including schools and infrastructure.

Moratoria, for example, would make housing more expensive.

Yes. But they work towards ensuring adequate infrastructure, which, if left unaddressed, would make the housing created less valuable (not just the consequent price, but the intrinsic value to each resident and to society, collectively), along with all of the existing housing.

Please come up with solutions that do both, and among which full detail and robust comparative evaluations are made available for publicly available for comment for an extended period prior to plans being put forth.

We don't build infrastructure until we have the population that needs it.

That’s a pretty stupid way to go about it. You don’t have to dig the holes, but you need to have a comprehensive plan, especially if it’s such a “crisis.”

Plan. PLAN. Planning.

Is this a foreign concept to the PLANNING Board?

Is just giving up, seeing what sticks, and then playing infrastructure catchup for the next several decades really a plan?

Yes, it is. That is how Montgomery County has been doing it for the entire history of development in Montgomery County. Montgomery County has never, ever built the infrastructure before the population that needs it.

Well, that seems pretty correctable. However, not by speeding up the pace of decline via this attainable housing “plan.”

It does? How?

I would think by making sure that, in the future, the infrastructure met the coincident need of the population. With planning.

-- DP

Oh, how silly of the entire Montgomery County land use process to have been doing it wrong for over 100 years, when they could have solved their problems by simply ... planning.

…and they seem to be getting more careless rather than less.

The planning board and its MoCo council cheerleaders are completely reckless.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep, Elrich just released a video today about how awful and stupid the upzoning is. I have no idea how much of a say he has in it, but I am thankful he's speaking out against it.

He has no say in it. Some of what he says about it is right and some of what he says about is wrong. The proposal he outlined for housing would make housing prices even higher than the Planning proposal would.

Get specific about what Elrich proposes that will make housing even more expensive. There’s nothing.

But more importantly, he makes two key points:

There is enough housing planned for development ALREADY in Montgomery County. We don’t have an issue is scarcity that developers want us to think warrants ruining SFH communities to ensure they make $$$ hassle free.

There is nothing in the “attainable housing plan” that ensures affordability- NOTHING. It’s just a plan to make it easier for developers to build quadplexes without having the “annoyance” of worrying about the impact on the community, including schools and infrastructure.

Moratoria, for example, would make housing more expensive.

Yes. But they work towards ensuring adequate infrastructure, which, if left unaddressed, would make the housing created less valuable (not just the consequent price, but the intrinsic value to each resident and to society, collectively), along with all of the existing housing.

Please come up with solutions that do both, and among which full detail and robust comparative evaluations are made available for publicly available for comment for an extended period prior to plans being put forth.

We don't build infrastructure until we have the population that needs it.

That’s a pretty stupid way to go about it. You don’t have to dig the holes, but you need to have a comprehensive plan, especially if it’s such a “crisis.”

Plan. PLAN. Planning.

Is this a foreign concept to the PLANNING Board?

Is just giving up, seeing what sticks, and then playing infrastructure catchup for the next several decades really a plan?

Yes, it is. That is how Montgomery County has been doing it for the entire history of development in Montgomery County. Montgomery County has never, ever built the infrastructure before the population that needs it.

Well, that seems pretty correctable. However, not by speeding up the pace of decline via this attainable housing “plan.”

It does? How?

I would think by making sure that, in the future, the infrastructure met the coincident need of the population. With planning.

-- DP

Oh, how silly of the entire Montgomery County land use process to have been doing it wrong for over 100 years, when they could have solved their problems by simply ... planning.

Certainly, there is nothing to be learned from the past. Or from meaningful dialog. Or from comprehensive research. Or...

There is plenty to be learned from the past, and I suggest you start doing it. One good book you could read is Suburb, by Royce Hanson.

Royce Hanson has expressed nuanced views on upzoning, which refers to changing zoning regulations to allow for increased density, such as permitting taller buildings or more housing units on a given parcel of land. In general, Hanson supports thoughtful, strategic upzoning, especially when it aligns with broader goals like affordable housing and smart growth, but he emphasizes the importance of doing so in a way that preserves the quality of life, community character, and environmental sustainability.

Hanson has been critical of blanket upzoning approaches that lack consideration for infrastructure, school capacity, and the preservation of green spaces. He advocates for context-sensitive upzoning that balances growth with community needs, often pointing to Montgomery County’s Agricultural Reserve as an example of how growth can be managed in a way that protects certain areas while allowing for urban development in others.

In his writings and public statements, Hanson has underscored the importance of planning and public input when it comes to zoning changes. He tends to argue for a comprehensive approach to zoning reform, one that includes considerations for affordable housing, transportation, and environmental impacts, rather than piecemeal changes that could lead to negative outcomes like congestion or loss of community identity.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep, Elrich just released a video today about how awful and stupid the upzoning is. I have no idea how much of a say he has in it, but I am thankful he's speaking out against it.

He has no say in it. Some of what he says about it is right and some of what he says about is wrong. The proposal he outlined for housing would make housing prices even higher than the Planning proposal would.

Get specific about what Elrich proposes that will make housing even more expensive. There’s nothing.

But more importantly, he makes two key points:

There is enough housing planned for development ALREADY in Montgomery County. We don’t have an issue is scarcity that developers want us to think warrants ruining SFH communities to ensure they make $$$ hassle free.

There is nothing in the “attainable housing plan” that ensures affordability- NOTHING. It’s just a plan to make it easier for developers to build quadplexes without having the “annoyance” of worrying about the impact on the community, including schools and infrastructure.

Moratoria, for example, would make housing more expensive.

Yes. But they work towards ensuring adequate infrastructure, which, if left unaddressed, would make the housing created less valuable (not just the consequent price, but the intrinsic value to each resident and to society, collectively), along with all of the existing housing.

Please come up with solutions that do both, and among which full detail and robust comparative evaluations are made available for publicly available for comment for an extended period prior to plans being put forth.

We don't build infrastructure until we have the population that needs it.

That’s a pretty stupid way to go about it. You don’t have to dig the holes, but you need to have a comprehensive plan, especially if it’s such a “crisis.”

Plan. PLAN. Planning.

Is this a foreign concept to the PLANNING Board?

Is just giving up, seeing what sticks, and then playing infrastructure catchup for the next several decades really a plan?

Yes, it is. That is how Montgomery County has been doing it for the entire history of development in Montgomery County. Montgomery County has never, ever built the infrastructure before the population that needs it.

Well, that seems pretty correctable. However, not by speeding up the pace of decline via this attainable housing “plan.”

It does? How?

I would think by making sure that, in the future, the infrastructure met the coincident need of the population. With planning.

-- DP

Oh, how silly of the entire Montgomery County land use process to have been doing it wrong for over 100 years, when they could have solved their problems by simply ... planning.

Certainly, there is nothing to be learned from the past. Or from meaningful dialog. Or from comprehensive research. Or...

There is plenty to be learned from the past, and I suggest you start doing it. One good book you could read is Suburb, by Royce Hanson.

Royce Hanson has expressed nuanced views on upzoning, which refers to changing zoning regulations to allow for increased density, such as permitting taller buildings or more housing units on a given parcel of land. In general, Hanson supports thoughtful, strategic upzoning, especially when it aligns with broader goals like affordable housing and smart growth, but he emphasizes the importance of doing so in a way that preserves the quality of life, community character, and environmental sustainability.

Hanson has been critical of blanket upzoning approaches that lack consideration for infrastructure, school capacity, and the preservation of green spaces. He advocates for context-sensitive upzoning that balances growth with community needs, often pointing to Montgomery County’s Agricultural Reserve as an example of how growth can be managed in a way that protects certain areas while allowing for urban development in others.

In his writings and public statements, Hanson has underscored the importance of planning and public input when it comes to zoning changes. He tends to argue for a comprehensive approach to zoning reform, one that includes considerations for affordable housing, transportation, and environmental impacts, rather than piecemeal changes that could lead to negative outcomes like congestion or loss of community identity.

He should work for Elrich, I think that their visions align much more so than the lazy, unplanned trash that the council is trying to sell to the public.