Lifting Heavy - I don't seem to be getting the results I want - Help

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What program are you doing? As a beginner, you should be getting stronger every week in the beginning, and then at least bi-weekly or monthly after a few months.

I think your trainer sucks.

Not really - muscle for a 50 year old female needs the diet to enable building muscle.

Women are not genetically predisposed for muscle development at this age. Your body needs the proper fuel with training.

false. anyone with a competent trainer should be seeing increases in strength quickly.

Strength and gains in terms of muscle mass are not the same thing. You will get stronger well before you see muscle hypertrophy.

Why would any 50+ woman have “muscle hypertrophy” as a fitness goal? Also strength training absolutely increases muscle mass in the elderly: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3117172/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your burn boot camp is more HIIT than true heavy lifting, drop that class and start doing weights in your own or an app. You are fit enough to squat (2) 25 pound dumbbells for 3 sets. That’s just a start. If your class isn’t doing that, you’re in the wrong class.

I have never that heavy, 25 strains my wrist joints too much.

Single leg squat with 30lb (15 each side) or iso for 20 sec one each side is just effective for strength gain.

Then you need to build up strength in your wrists … if you refuse to lift a weight heavier than 15 lbs, no you will not make gains!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What program are you doing? As a beginner, you should be getting stronger every week in the beginning, and then at least bi-weekly or monthly after a few months.

I think your trainer sucks.

Not really - muscle for a 50 year old female needs the diet to enable building muscle.

Women are not genetically predisposed for muscle development at this age. Your body needs the proper fuel with training.

false. anyone with a competent trainer should be seeing increases in strength quickly.

Strength and gains in terms of muscle mass are not the same thing. You will get stronger well before you see muscle hypertrophy.

Why would any 50+ woman have “muscle hypertrophy” as a fitness goal? Also strength training absolutely increases muscle mass in the elderly: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3117172/

NP. A woman who wants to gain and see increased muscle mass -like the OP, like me - would aim for hypertrophy. Is this a serious question?

OP is not even 50 yet. Are the poster who keep posting articles about people in different decades. I’m not in my 60s, I don’t need to consider your article about the elderly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What program are you doing? As a beginner, you should be getting stronger every week in the beginning, and then at least bi-weekly or monthly after a few months.

I think your trainer sucks.

Not really - muscle for a 50 year old female needs the diet to enable building muscle.

Women are not genetically predisposed for muscle development at this age. Your body needs the proper fuel with training.

false. anyone with a competent trainer should be seeing increases in strength quickly.

Strength and gains in terms of muscle mass are not the same thing. You will get stronger well before you see muscle hypertrophy.

Why would any 50+ woman have “muscle hypertrophy” as a fitness goal? Also strength training absolutely increases muscle mass in the elderly: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3117172/

NP. A woman who wants to gain and see increased muscle mass -like the OP, like me - would aim for hypertrophy. Is this a serious question?

OP is not even 50 yet. Are the poster who keep posting articles about people in different decades. I’m not in my 60s, I don’t need to consider your article about the elderly.

Maybe you mean something else by “hypertrophy.” Women including older women absolutely build muscle mass through normal strength training. But probably not bulging “defined” muscles without the genetic tendency towards that and/or a lot more specialized training.

https://www.outsideonline.com/health/training-performance/women-strength-training-research/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37005493/

[Anonymous]

You seem to be commenting and telling us we’re wrong so why don’t you go ahead and tell us what you’re thinking hypertrophy means? Seems like you are just disagreeing for the sake of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You seem to be commenting and telling us we’re wrong so why don’t you go ahead and tell us what you’re thinking hypertrophy means? Seems like you are just disagreeing for the sake of it.

I’m not sure what it means, but to the extent someone is claiming that women cannot gain muscle mass through relatively standard strength training, they are wrong. What I *think* they mean by “hypertrophy” is muscle definition/bulging muscles. Which takes an entirely different kind of training. But women can build muscle mass without showing much change in definition.

As for what OP means by “body recomposition,” I don’t know. I assume if she has been lifting progressively heavy weights for 4 months she has added meaningful strength and muscle mass. But she probably doesn’t look “cut” - that would take dieting and a lot more lifting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your burn boot camp is more HIIT than true heavy lifting, drop that class and start doing weights in your own or an app. You are fit enough to squat (2) 25 pound dumbbells for 3 sets. That’s just a start. If your class isn’t doing that, you’re in the wrong class.

I have never that heavy, 25 strains my wrist joints too much.

Single leg squat with 30lb (15 each side) or iso for 20 sec one each side is just effective for strength gain.

Then you need to build up strength in your wrists … if you refuse to lift a weight heavier than 15 lbs, no you will not make gains!

That's not true. Depends on the training/exact move.

A lot of gymnast trains with body weight and can become super strong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your burn boot camp is more HIIT than true heavy lifting, drop that class and start doing weights in your own or an app. You are fit enough to squat (2) 25 pound dumbbells for 3 sets. That’s just a start. If your class isn’t doing that, you’re in the wrong class.

I have never that heavy, 25 strains my wrist joints too much.

Single leg squat with 30lb (15 each side) or iso for 20 sec one each side is just effective for strength gain.

Then you need to build up strength in your wrists … if you refuse to lift a weight heavier than 15 lbs, no you will not make gains!

That's not true. Depends on the training/exact move.

A lot of gymnast trains with body weight and can become super strong.

Are you really comparing the effort put in by a gymnast with lifting 15 pound weights for 3 sets for a one legged squat?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You seem to be commenting and telling us we’re wrong so why don’t you go ahead and tell us what you’re thinking hypertrophy means? Seems like you are just disagreeing for the sake of it.

I’m not sure what it means, but to the extent someone is claiming that women cannot gain muscle mass through relatively standard strength training, they are wrong. What I *think* they mean by “hypertrophy” is muscle definition/bulging muscles. Which takes an entirely different kind of training. But women can build muscle mass without showing much change in definition.

As for what OP means by “body recomposition,” I don’t know. I assume if she has been lifting progressively heavy weights for 4 months she has added meaningful strength and muscle mass. But she probably doesn’t look “cut” - that would take dieting and a lot more lifting.

Like I suspected, you are fighting to fight. This is diet and fitness of a mommy blog. No one is talking about “bulging” muscles. The first poster who you took issue with simply explained what “standard” weight lifting is. If you don’t understand the terms why are you telling us we’re wrong?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your burn boot camp is more HIIT than true heavy lifting, drop that class and start doing weights in your own or an app. You are fit enough to squat (2) 25 pound dumbbells for 3 sets. That’s just a start. If your class isn’t doing that, you’re in the wrong class.

I have never that heavy, 25 strains my wrist joints too much.

Single leg squat with 30lb (15 each side) or iso for 20 sec one each side is just effective for strength gain.

Then you need to build up strength in your wrists … if you refuse to lift a weight heavier than 15 lbs, no you will not make gains!

That's not true. Depends on the training/exact move.

A lot of gymnast trains with body weight and can become super strong.

It’s going to be much harder. And if PP cannot handle a dumbell over 15lbs then they likely cannot handle body weight exercises that place weight on the wrists either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You seem to be commenting and telling us we’re wrong so why don’t you go ahead and tell us what you’re thinking hypertrophy means? Seems like you are just disagreeing for the sake of it.

I’m not sure what it means, but to the extent someone is claiming that women cannot gain muscle mass through relatively standard strength training, they are wrong. What I *think* they mean by “hypertrophy” is muscle definition/bulging muscles. Which takes an entirely different kind of training. But women can build muscle mass without showing much change in definition.

As for what OP means by “body recomposition,” I don’t know. I assume if she has been lifting progressively heavy weights for 4 months she has added meaningful strength and muscle mass. But she probably doesn’t look “cut” - that would take dieting and a lot more lifting.

Like I suspected, you are fighting to fight. This is diet and fitness of a mommy blog. No one is talking about “bulging” muscles. The first poster who you took issue with simply explained what “standard” weight lifting is. If you don’t understand the terms why are you telling us we’re wrong?

someone is fighting to fight and it’s not me. I don’t even know what you are trying to say so I’ll repeat what I am saying:

Women will build strength and muscle mass from a 4-month heavy lifting program. They likely will not achieve much muscle definition in just 4 months (especially if they are not also dieting) but that doesn’t mean they aren’t building strength and mass.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You seem to be commenting and telling us we’re wrong so why don’t you go ahead and tell us what you’re thinking hypertrophy means? Seems like you are just disagreeing for the sake of it.

I’m not sure what it means, but to the extent someone is claiming that women cannot gain muscle mass through relatively standard strength training, they are wrong. What I *think* they mean by “hypertrophy” is muscle definition/bulging muscles. Which takes an entirely different kind of training. But women can build muscle mass without showing much change in definition.

As for what OP means by “body recomposition,” I don’t know. I assume if she has been lifting progressively heavy weights for 4 months she has added meaningful strength and muscle mass. But she probably doesn’t look “cut” - that would take dieting and a lot more lifting.

Like I suspected, you are fighting to fight. This is diet and fitness of a mommy blog. No one is talking about “bulging” muscles. The first poster who you took issue with simply explained what “standard” weight lifting is. If you don’t understand the terms why are you telling us we’re wrong?

someone is fighting to fight and it’s not me. I don’t even know what you are trying to say so I’ll repeat what I am saying:

Women will build strength and muscle mass from a 4-month heavy lifting program. They likely will not achieve much muscle definition in just 4 months (especially if they are not also dieting) but that doesn’t mean they aren’t building strength and mass.

I agree! I might gently note that your initial posts were not clear because you seemed to disagree with a poster who was saying the exact same thing you were.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You seem to be commenting and telling us we’re wrong so why don’t you go ahead and tell us what you’re thinking hypertrophy means? Seems like you are just disagreeing for the sake of it.

I’m not sure what it means, but to the extent someone is claiming that women cannot gain muscle mass through relatively standard strength training, they are wrong. What I *think* they mean by “hypertrophy” is muscle definition/bulging muscles. Which takes an entirely different kind of training. But women can build muscle mass without showing much change in definition.

As for what OP means by “body recomposition,” I don’t know. I assume if she has been lifting progressively heavy weights for 4 months she has added meaningful strength and muscle mass. But she probably doesn’t look “cut” - that would take dieting and a lot more lifting.

Like I suspected, you are fighting to fight. This is diet and fitness of a mommy blog. No one is talking about “bulging” muscles. The first poster who you took issue with simply explained what “standard” weight lifting is. If you don’t understand the terms why are you telling us we’re wrong?

someone is fighting to fight and it’s not me. I don’t even know what you are trying to say so I’ll repeat what I am saying:

Women will build strength and muscle mass from a 4-month heavy lifting program. They likely will not achieve much muscle definition in just 4 months (especially if they are not also dieting) but that doesn’t mean they aren’t building strength and mass.

I agree! I might gently note that your initial posts were not clear because you seemed to disagree with a poster who was saying the exact same thing you were.

I don’t think you know which ones my posts were.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:4 months just isn't very long, OP. I'm your age and have been doing pilates and heavy lifting for almost a year now, and am JUST NOW starting to see a bit of muscle growth in my arms. I weigh exactly the same as I did a year ago, while upping my calories and protein a bit to fuel muscle growth. So... it's slow. I feel better, I am stronger, but I look more or less the same. It is what it is.

I would agree with this. Big guy -- overweight. Heavy lifted before. It was well over a year when I noticed all kinds of results. I did not diet at all but lost 3 inches on the waist and all over. But I am 3-4 years in. Body has changed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You seem to be commenting and telling us we’re wrong so why don’t you go ahead and tell us what you’re thinking hypertrophy means? Seems like you are just disagreeing for the sake of it.

I’m not sure what it means, but to the extent someone is claiming that women cannot gain muscle mass through relatively standard strength training, they are wrong. What I *think* they mean by “hypertrophy” is muscle definition/bulging muscles. Which takes an entirely different kind of training. But women can build muscle mass without showing much change in definition.

As for what OP means by “body recomposition,” I don’t know. I assume if she has been lifting progressively heavy weights for 4 months she has added meaningful strength and muscle mass. But she probably doesn’t look “cut” - that would take dieting and a lot more lifting.

Like I suspected, you are fighting to fight. This is diet and fitness of a mommy blog. No one is talking about “bulging” muscles. The first poster who you took issue with simply explained what “standard” weight lifting is. If you don’t understand the terms why are you telling us we’re wrong?

someone is fighting to fight and it’s not me. I don’t even know what you are trying to say so I’ll repeat what I am saying:

Women will build strength and muscle mass from a 4-month heavy lifting program. They likely will not achieve much muscle definition in just 4 months (especially if they are not also dieting) but that doesn’t mean they aren’t building strength and mass.

I think this is right. Muscle definition will take a lot longer.