Forbes 2025 ranking is out

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This seems like a list without payoffs and manipulation.

Ummm really?
Duke at 20 way too low
UC San Diego at 21 way too high
Cal Tech at 22 way too low
Georgetown and Emory at 32 and 33 also too low.
BYU at 36 too High
Pomona at 37 too low
It's a strange list after the top 10.

Duke should be much much lower!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This seems like a list without payoffs and manipulation.

Ummm, Carnegie Mellon is below Cal Poly SLO. In what world is that accurate? (Its' not---CalPolySLO is a good school, but definately not on par with CMU)

Average quality of student is ignored on this list which is a shame. Student quality determines how fast and deep classes can go, for humanities and stem. CMU is far and above better than cal poly. Caltech should be in the top 10.

Yup!
This list apparently favors large states schools vs smaller private schools on many levels. Which is the opposite of what we look for in schools. I believe in smaller class sizes, the ability to major in whatever you want versus competing in Hunger Games 2.0 (HS was 1.0) to get into your desired undergrad major, and similarly the Hunger Games experience to get into the actual classes you want/need for your desired major.

I don't care about the mega facilities or research happening at most large state U's because most undergrads will never get the opportunity to experience any of it---except for the crappy profs who don't give a shit about teaching but are required to teach one-two courses each semester (they are there for doing research and research only as a prof)

DP. Which "large state U" are you referencing, because none of your odd descriptors fit any large state U that my kids have attended.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My determination of a ranking's quality is solely based above whether my alma mater is above its rival or not. On this ranking, the rival is ranked higher; thus, it is a bad ranking.

I long ago stopped caring about my alma mater's ranking. I just look at my kids schools. Both are top 15 in this ranking. So obviously this is the best ranking.

But any list that has a giant state school like UCLA as well as Williams in the top 20 is of limited usefulness to people. I do believe liberal arts colleges should be put in a different pile. Will give US News that. It's better to separate them.

Other quibble is that I do not share the consensus view that the UCs are awesome for undergrad. Would not rank so high by any metric that is important to the undergrad experience. And then there are a few odd rankings - BYU over Pomona and Georgia Tech down in the mid-30s. That seems like a hiccup to me, but maybe I'm missing something.

Otherwise, it seems reasonable.

Georgia Tech is mid 30s on USnews and other rankings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This seems like a list without payoffs and manipulation.

Ummm really?
Duke at 20 way too low
UC San Diego at 21 way too high
Cal Tech at 22 way too low
Georgetown and Emory at 32 and 33 also too low.
BYU at 36 too High
Pomona at 37 too low
It's a strange list after the top 10.

Seems right to me. My brother covers higher education in the press including NYT and says the rankings are pretty legit in his opinion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This seems like a list without payoffs and manipulation.

Ummm really?
Duke at 20 way too low
UC San Diego at 21 way too high
Cal Tech at 22 way too low
Georgetown and Emory at 32 and 33 also too low.
BYU at 36 too High
Pomona at 37 too low
It's a strange list after the top 10.

Seems right to me. My brother covers higher education in the press including NYT and says the rankings are pretty legit in his opinion.

JMU over Kenyon? UCONN over Wake? Not in a million years and I’m a JMU booster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This seems like a list without payoffs and manipulation.

Ummm really?
Duke at 20 way too low
UC San Diego at 21 way too high
Cal Tech at 22 way too low
Georgetown and Emory at 32 and 33 also too low.
BYU at 36 too High
Pomona at 37 too low
It's a strange list after the top 10.

Seems right to me. My brother covers higher education in the press including NYT and says the rankings are pretty legit in his opinion.

JMU over Kenyon? UCONN over Wake? Not in a million years and I’m a JMU booster.

People tend to look at the top 30 or so. And the rest is just noise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This seems like a list without payoffs and manipulation.

Ummm, Carnegie Mellon is below Cal Poly SLO. In what world is that accurate? (Its' not---CalPolySLO is a good school, but definately not on par with CMU)

Average quality of student is ignored on this list which is a shame. Student quality determines how fast and deep classes can go, for humanities and stem. CMU is far and above better than cal poly. Caltech should be in the top 10.

Yup!
This list apparently favors large states schools vs smaller private schools on many levels. Which is the opposite of what we look for in schools. I believe in smaller class sizes, the ability to major in whatever you want versus competing in Hunger Games 2.0 (HS was 1.0) to get into your desired undergrad major, and similarly the Hunger Games experience to get into the actual classes you want/need for your desired major.

I don't care about the mega facilities or research happening at most large state U's because most undergrads will never get the opportunity to experience any of it---except for the crappy profs who don't give a shit about teaching but are required to teach one-two courses each semester (they are there for doing research and research only as a prof)

What a totally ignorant post. You do not have a clue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This seems like a list without payoffs and manipulation.

Ummm really?
Duke at 20 way too low
UC San Diego at 21 way too high
Cal Tech at 22 way too low
Georgetown and Emory at 32 and 33 also too low.
BYU at 36 too High
Pomona at 37 too low
It's a strange list after the top 10.

Seems right to me. My brother covers higher education in the press including NYT and says the rankings are pretty legit in his opinion.

JMU over Kenyon? UCONN over Wake? Not in a million years and I’m a JMU booster.

15% of the ranking is debt. Likely hurt some of these privates.

[Anonymous]

Waiting for someone to chime in about Northeastern@#73.
Carnegie-Mellon way too low
ND a bit low
Florida above Michigan, UVA & UNC!?
Ball-washing for the UC’s: Cal & Ucla slightly overrated. SD, SB & Irvine overrated
#’s 28-34 oddly feels just right. USC-Michigan-WashU-UNC-Georgetown-Emory-UVA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This seems like a list without payoffs and manipulation.

Ummm, Carnegie Mellon is below Cal Poly SLO. In what world is that accurate? (Its' not---CalPolySLO is a good school, but definately not on par with CMU)

Forbes doesn’t consider acceptance rates in their list, which I find refreshing.

why is that refreshing? Odd

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This seems like a list without payoffs and manipulation.

Ummm really?
Duke at 20 way too low
UC San Diego at 21 way too high
Cal Tech at 22 way too low
Georgetown and Emory at 32 and 33 also too low.
BYU at 36 too High
Pomona at 37 too low
It's a strange list after the top 10.

Seems right to me. My brother covers higher education in the press including NYT and says the rankings are pretty legit in his opinion.

You and your brother are ignorant. UC SanDiego os not a T25 school. Their test scores were barely over 1000 back when they accepted them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UMD 41...$uck it ND (42), UT (46), NYU (49), Wisconsin (50) and BC (59)!

Fear the Turtle

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Waiting for someone to chime in about Northeastern@#73.
Carnegie-Mellon way too low
ND a bit low
Florida above Michigan, UVA & UNC!?
Ball-washing for the UC’s: Cal & Ucla slightly overrated. SD, SB & Irvine overrated
#’s 28-34 oddly feels just right. USC-Michigan-WashU-UNC-Georgetown-Emory-UVA

Been a while since we had a good Northeastern discussion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Waiting for someone to chime in about Northeastern@#73.
Carnegie-Mellon way too low
ND a bit low
Florida above Michigan, UVA & UNC!?
Ball-washing for the UC’s: Cal & Ucla slightly overrated. SD, SB & Irvine overrated
#’s 28-34 oddly feels just right. USC-Michigan-WashU-UNC-Georgetown-Emory-UVA

No, Georgetown, Emory, WashU are permanent T25s. Some crazy choices Forbes ranked above them include
CMC
UCSD
Bowdoin
UF
USC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/
Ranking season has begun, Forbes always has a wonky ranking but are there any surprises?

The way an article like this is created is that the ad people sold too many pageviews, and the serious articles don’t get that many hits, so someone tells the editors to scrounge together a listicle. The only real logic is the need for hits. Case Western ranks absurdly low because the people who put the list together are too dumb to know what Case Western is.