Forbes 2025 ranking is out

[Anonymous]

"No, Georgetown, Emory, WashU are permanent T25s. Some crazy choices Forbes ranked above them include
CMC
UCSD
Bowdoin
UF
USC"

Partly agree. "Permanent T25s" when slacs are not included. Ucsd & uf totally agree, crazy. Bowdoin, cmc & usc, arguable but not totally crazy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/
Ranking season has begun, Forbes always has a wonky ranking but are there any surprises?

The way an article like this is created is that the ad people sold too many pageviews, and the serious articles don’t get that many hits, so someone tells the editors to scrounge together a listicle. The only real logic is the need for hits. Case Western ranks absurdly low because the people who put the list together are too dumb to know what Case Western is.

Criteria seem pretty objective to me

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My determination of a ranking's quality is solely based above whether my alma mater is above its rival or not. On this ranking, the rival is ranked higher; thus, it is a bad ranking.

Your "analysis" is as good as any other!

That's why I believe it's the best. It is 100% consistent; you cannot dispute the outcome it gives unless you fundamentally disagree with the heuristic behind it. And in the case that you do, you're wrong

[Anonymous]

The real ranking is actions by real people.
Combination of acceptance rate + yield rate + student caliber. Everything is dissolved in that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I took a look and really makes zero sense. It is getting to the point where rankings are worthless. I focus on acceptance rate and rate of employment or grad school after. Also rate of graduation in four years. You have to look at metrics important to your family. Pell grants not helpful to us so not something we would focus on or grad research if you are not at a school with grad school also wouldn’t be a fit for us but might be for others.

Seriously? Acceptance rate? That can be so easily manipulated with marketing to unqualified and naive students. (Hello, U Chicago!)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UF ahead of Michigan, UNC, and UVA. Go Gators!

Yeah!

Chomp, chomp!

[Anonymous]

How is Harvard #8? Behind Berkeley, Columbia, and Penn.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I took a look and really makes zero sense. It is getting to the point where rankings are worthless. I focus on acceptance rate and rate of employment or grad school after. Also rate of graduation in four years. You have to look at metrics important to your family. Pell grants not helpful to us so not something we would focus on or grad research if you are not at a school with grad school also wouldn’t be a fit for us but might be for others.

Seriously? Acceptance rate? That can be so easily manipulated with marketing to unqualified and naive students. (Hello, U Chicago!)

The actual demand in free market is way more real than random magazine. I would add yield rate and student caliber in that mix as acceptance rate alone doesn't show the whole picture.

[Anonymous]

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This seems like a list without payoffs and manipulation.

Ummm, Carnegie Mellon is below Cal Poly SLO. In what world is that accurate? (Its' not---CalPolySLO is a good school, but definately not on par with CMU)

Average quality of student is ignored on this list which is a shame. Student quality determines how fast and deep classes can go, for humanities and stem. CMU is far and above better than cal poly. Caltech should be in the top 10.

Yup!
This list apparently favors large states schools vs smaller private schools on many levels. Which is the opposite of what we look for in schools. I believe in smaller class sizes, the ability to major in whatever you want versus competing in Hunger Games 2.0 (HS was 1.0) to get into your desired undergrad major, and similarly the Hunger Games experience to get into the actual classes you want/need for your desired major.

I don't care about the mega facilities or research happening at most large state U's because most undergrads will never get the opportunity to experience any of it---except for the crappy profs who don't give a shit about teaching but are required to teach one-two courses each semester (they are there for doing research and research only as a prof)

1. What you call Hunger Games, I call life preparation. They have to compete and stand up for themselves. Sometimes it doesnt work out but you keep pressing on. Kids their age not in school have/seeking full time employment. Many are in the military. You can continue with the handholding or let them find their way in adulthood.
2. My kid was introduced to research during his freshman year at UMD. Had paid research internship through a joint UMD/Fed government agency the summer after his freshman year.

Your tirade is completely off the mark.

Agree. That person has issues. I chuckle at parents who say their adult child can't handle a big school. The world is BIG. One SLAC student tour guide -- who had attended a 17-person expensive school in NYC -- said they wouldn't know what to do at a big school. I was done right there. I want my kid to know how to handle the big, bad world.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Waiting for someone to chime in about Northeastern@#73.
Carnegie-Mellon way too low
ND a bit low
Florida above Michigan, UVA & UNC!?
Ball-washing for the UC’s: Cal & Ucla slightly overrated. SD, SB & Irvine overrated
#’s 28-34 oddly feels just right. USC-Michigan-WashU-UNC-Georgetown-Emory-UVA

No, Georgetown, Emory, WashU are permanent T25s. Some crazy choices Forbes ranked above them include
CMC
UCSD
Bowdoin
UF
USC

Sorry your school fell in the rankings.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:UF ahead of Michigan, UNC, and UVA. Go Gators!

Yeah!

Chomp, chomp!

This is the most accurate list, everyone! UF #26 is ahead of FSU #60-something, and I know that is true. Actually, FSU should be #150 at least.

[Anonymous]

Uh oh. Barnard people are going to freak it's 50-something.

Remember the "Barnard is Barnard -- not Columbia" thread?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Waiting for someone to chime in about Northeastern@#73.
Carnegie-Mellon way too low
ND a bit low
Florida above Michigan, UVA & UNC!?
Ball-washing for the UC’s: Cal & Ucla slightly overrated. SD, SB & Irvine overrated
#’s 28-34 oddly feels just right. USC-Michigan-WashU-UNC-Georgetown-Emory-UVA

No, Georgetown, Emory, WashU are permanent T25s. Some crazy choices Forbes ranked above them include
CMC
UCSD
Bowdoin
UF
USC

Not a surprise at all USC ranked above those schools.
USC makes sense

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I took a look and really makes zero sense. It is getting to the point where rankings are worthless. I focus on acceptance rate and rate of employment or grad school after. Also rate of graduation in four years. You have to look at metrics important to your family. Pell grants not helpful to us so not something we would focus on or grad research if you are not at a school with grad school also wouldn’t be a fit for us but might be for others.

Seriously? Acceptance rate? That can be so easily manipulated with marketing to unqualified and naive students. (Hello, U Chicago!)

THIS. I can add numerous other schools in addition to UChicago!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How is Harvard #8? Behind Berkeley, Columbia, and Penn.

Harvard's academic strength is in the graduate programs. Undergrad is a little social club. Slowly, the rankings are adjusting.