DCI vs Latin Cooper

[Anonymous]

I do have a student at DCI. If your kid is on the Spanish track and doing well, and will be placed in the highest-level Spanish classes in 6th, they'll be part of a good cohort, which will lessen the number of classes with too many disruptive kids. That's my impression, as a parent of a DCI student (not in Spanish).

Now, these days there are disruptive students in many middle schools, and not just in DC, but my student had a couple of classes in which the teachers completely gave up on teaching the class as a whole and focused on the kids who wanted to be taught.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure DCI has a "more high performing cohort." I Didn't think DCI college acceptances were that great and their IB scores are mediocre.

I’ve been following DCI.

Forget about Cooper. Let’s look at 2nd St. Yes, DCI has almost twice as many kids at/above grade level then 2nd St. in math and a little under that in ELA. That is a huge difference. I’m basing this on PARCC scores of 4 and above.

Latin high school - 382 kids
ELA 70% = 267 kids
Math 20% = 76 kids

Latin middle school - 384 kids
ELA 68% - 261 kids
math 53% - 203 kids

DCI 6-12th, no breakdown like latin with middle/high - 1600 kids
ELA 50% = 800 kids
Math 32% = 512 kids

TOTAL
Latin ELA - 538 kids, math 279 kids
DCI ELA - 800 kids, math 512 kids

Not only does DCI in raw numbers have a more high performing cohort of kids then Latin, but the kids at DCI are learning advance languages where Latin is basic 101. In addition, some of these kids are getting significantly less ELA instruction due to languages and still 1/2 of them are doing fine in ELA.

If you want to compare college acceptances then you need to look at both schools so I can’t comment on that. But DCI is getting kids into Ivy’s and the number for total scholarships in terms of money awarded to the class the other year was really high.

Lastly, what do you mean by mediocre and in what context? For a school that is not private and does not self select, their IB scores are impressive. They are in the middle and close to WIS which is 55k a year in this town.

Does anyone know why there is such a huge decrease in math proficiency at Latin from the middle school to the high school? 53% down to 20%?

I’m guessing 1 of 2 scenarios. Either lots of high performing kids don’t continue on to high school or math instruction is weak at the school as you go up the grades.

[Anonymous]

Most of the Latin math whizzes leave for Walls, J-R, the burbs or privates for HS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most of the Latin math whizzes leave for Walls, J-R, the burbs or privates for HS.

Purely hypothetical at this point, but how's that leave things for the "advanced but not whizzes" kids who stay through high school? Those on an accelerated track, but not multiple years above grade level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure DCI has a "more high performing cohort." I Didn't think DCI college acceptances were that great and their IB scores are mediocre.

I’ve been following DCI.

Forget about Cooper. Let’s look at 2nd St. Yes, DCI has almost twice as many kids at/above grade level then 2nd St. in math and a little under that in ELA. That is a huge difference. I’m basing this on PARCC scores of 4 and above.

Latin high school - 382 kids
ELA 70% = 267 kids
Math 20% = 76 kids

Latin middle school - 384 kids
ELA 68% - 261 kids
math 53% - 203 kids

DCI 6-12th, no breakdown like latin with middle/high - 1600 kids
ELA 50% = 800 kids
Math 32% = 512 kids

TOTAL
Latin ELA - 538 kids, math 279 kids
DCI ELA - 800 kids, math 512 kids

Not only does DCI in raw numbers have a more high performing cohort of kids then Latin, but the kids at DCI are learning advance languages where Latin is basic 101. In addition, some of these kids are getting significantly less ELA instruction due to languages and still 1/2 of them are doing fine in ELA.

If you want to compare college acceptances then you need to look at both schools so I can’t comment on that. But DCI is getting kids into Ivy’s and the number for total scholarships in terms of money awarded to the class the other year was really high.

Lastly, what do you mean by mediocre and in what context? For a school that is not private and does not self select, their IB scores are impressive. They are in the middle and close to WIS which is 55k a year in this town.

Does anyone know why there is such a huge decrease in math proficiency at Latin from the middle school to the high school? 53% down to 20%?

I’m guessing 1 of 2 scenarios. Either lots of high performing kids don’t continue on to high school or math instruction is weak at the school as you go up the grades.

I think it's because the PARCC only tests Algebra I, Algebra II, and Geometry. The best math students get beyond those courses and are no longer part of the PARCC data set.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure DCI has a "more high performing cohort." I Didn't think DCI college acceptances were that great and their IB scores are mediocre.

I’ve been following DCI.

Forget about Cooper. Let’s look at 2nd St. Yes, DCI has almost twice as many kids at/above grade level then 2nd St. in math and a little under that in ELA. That is a huge difference. I’m basing this on PARCC scores of 4 and above.

Latin high school - 382 kids
ELA 70% = 267 kids
Math 20% = 76 kids

Latin middle school - 384 kids
ELA 68% - 261 kids
math 53% - 203 kids

DCI 6-12th, no breakdown like latin with middle/high - 1600 kids
ELA 50% = 800 kids
Math 32% = 512 kids

TOTAL
Latin ELA - 538 kids, math 279 kids
DCI ELA - 800 kids, math 512 kids

Not only does DCI in raw numbers have a more high performing cohort of kids then Latin, but the kids at DCI are learning advance languages where Latin is basic 101. In addition, some of these kids are getting significantly less ELA instruction due to languages and still 1/2 of them are doing fine in ELA.

If you want to compare college acceptances then you need to look at both schools so I can’t comment on that. But DCI is getting kids into Ivy’s and the number for total scholarships in terms of money awarded to the class the other year was really high.

Lastly, what do you mean by mediocre and in what context? For a school that is not private and does not self select, their IB scores are impressive. They are in the middle and close to WIS which is 55k a year in this town.

Does anyone know why there is such a huge decrease in math proficiency at Latin from the middle school to the high school? 53% down to 20%?

I’m guessing 1 of 2 scenarios. Either lots of high performing kids don’t continue on to high school or math instruction is weak at the school as you go up the grades.

I think it's because the PARCC only tests Algebra I, Algebra II, and Geometry. The best math students get beyond those courses and are no longer part of the PARCC data set.

FWIW it is the goal of Latin (at least at 2nd st) to get every high school student at least through Calculus. In order to make this happen there are a lot of summer school options (including various advanced tracks and additional help). The school is also an approved work site for the city summer youth employment program so that kids who choose to do summer school can get paid for a combination of school work and volunteer work. The summer school program at Latin is really well run and a lot of students take advantage of it, but it gives kids several paths to be finished with some/most/all of the PARCC math subjects before entering high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure DCI has a "more high performing cohort." I Didn't think DCI college acceptances were that great and their IB scores are mediocre.

I’ve been following DCI.

Forget about Cooper. Let’s look at 2nd St. Yes, DCI has almost twice as many kids at/above grade level then 2nd St. in math and a little under that in ELA. That is a huge difference. I’m basing this on PARCC scores of 4 and above.

Latin high school - 382 kids
ELA 70% = 267 kids
Math 20% = 76 kids

Latin middle school - 384 kids
ELA 68% - 261 kids
math 53% - 203 kids

DCI 6-12th, no breakdown like latin with middle/high - 1600 kids
ELA 50% = 800 kids
Math 32% = 512 kids

TOTAL
Latin ELA - 538 kids, math 279 kids
DCI ELA - 800 kids, math 512 kids

Not only does DCI in raw numbers have a more high performing cohort of kids then Latin, but the kids at DCI are learning advance languages where Latin is basic 101. In addition, some of these kids are getting significantly less ELA instruction due to languages and still 1/2 of them are doing fine in ELA.

If you want to compare college acceptances then you need to look at both schools so I can’t comment on that. But DCI is getting kids into Ivy’s and the number for total scholarships in terms of money awarded to the class the other year was really high.

Lastly, what do you mean by mediocre and in what context? For a school that is not private and does not self select, their IB scores are impressive. They are in the middle and close to WIS which is 55k a year in this town.

Does anyone know why there is such a huge decrease in math proficiency at Latin from the middle school to the high school? 53% down to 20%?

I’m guessing 1 of 2 scenarios. Either lots of high performing kids don’t continue on to high school or math instruction is weak at the school as you go up the grades.

I think it's because the PARCC only tests Algebra I, Algebra II, and Geometry. The best math students get beyond those courses and are no longer part of the PARCC data set.

FWIW it is the goal of Latin (at least at 2nd st) to get every high school student at least through Calculus. In order to make this happen there are a lot of summer school options (including various advanced tracks and additional help). The school is also an approved work site for the city summer youth employment program so that kids who choose to do summer school can get paid for a combination of school work and volunteer work. The summer school program at Latin is really well run and a lot of students take advantage of it, but it gives kids several paths to be finished with some/most/all of the PARCC math subjects before entering high school.

Cooper right now only offers summer school by invitation, but promised to start offering classes to all students next summer. Even if it doesn't happen next year, I'm confident it will be added in 2026. As of now Cooper's highest grade is 8th.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure DCI has a "more high performing cohort." I Didn't think DCI college acceptances were that great and their IB scores are mediocre.

I’ve been following DCI.

Forget about Cooper. Let’s look at 2nd St. Yes, DCI has almost twice as many kids at/above grade level then 2nd St. in math and a little under that in ELA. That is a huge difference. I’m basing this on PARCC scores of 4 and above.

Latin high school - 382 kids
ELA 70% = 267 kids
Math 20% = 76 kids

Latin middle school - 384 kids
ELA 68% - 261 kids
math 53% - 203 kids

DCI 6-12th, no breakdown like latin with middle/high - 1600 kids
ELA 50% = 800 kids
Math 32% = 512 kids

TOTAL
Latin ELA - 538 kids, math 279 kids
DCI ELA - 800 kids, math 512 kids

Not only does DCI in raw numbers have a more high performing cohort of kids then Latin, but the kids at DCI are learning advance languages where Latin is basic 101. In addition, some of these kids are getting significantly less ELA instruction due to languages and still 1/2 of them are doing fine in ELA.

If you want to compare college acceptances then you need to look at both schools so I can’t comment on that. But DCI is getting kids into Ivy’s and the number for total scholarships in terms of money awarded to the class the other year was really high.

Lastly, what do you mean by mediocre and in what context? For a school that is not private and does not self select, their IB scores are impressive. They are in the middle and close to WIS which is 55k a year in this town.

Does anyone know why there is such a huge decrease in math proficiency at Latin from the middle school to the high school? 53% down to 20%?

I’m guessing 1 of 2 scenarios. Either lots of high performing kids don’t continue on to high school or math instruction is weak at the school as you go up the grades.

I think it's because the PARCC only tests Algebra I, Algebra II, and Geometry. The best math students get beyond those courses and are no longer part of the PARCC data set.

FWIW it is the goal of Latin (at least at 2nd st) to get every high school student at least through Calculus. In order to make this happen there are a lot of summer school options (including various advanced tracks and additional help). The school is also an approved work site for the city summer youth employment program so that kids who choose to do summer school can get paid for a combination of school work and volunteer work. The summer school program at Latin is really well run and a lot of students take advantage of it, but it gives kids several paths to be finished with some/most/all of the PARCC math subjects before entering high school.

Ok but Calculus should be the floor not the ceiling. What are the advance math options at Latin beyond that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure DCI has a "more high performing cohort." I Didn't think DCI college acceptances were that great and their IB scores are mediocre.

I’ve been following DCI.

Forget about Cooper. Let’s look at 2nd St. Yes, DCI has almost twice as many kids at/above grade level then 2nd St. in math and a little under that in ELA. That is a huge difference. I’m basing this on PARCC scores of 4 and above.

Latin high school - 382 kids
ELA 70% = 267 kids
Math 20% = 76 kids

Latin middle school - 384 kids
ELA 68% - 261 kids
math 53% - 203 kids

DCI 6-12th, no breakdown like latin with middle/high - 1600 kids
ELA 50% = 800 kids
Math 32% = 512 kids

TOTAL
Latin ELA - 538 kids, math 279 kids
DCI ELA - 800 kids, math 512 kids

Not only does DCI in raw numbers have a more high performing cohort of kids then Latin, but the kids at DCI are learning advance languages where Latin is basic 101. In addition, some of these kids are getting significantly less ELA instruction due to languages and still 1/2 of them are doing fine in ELA.

If you want to compare college acceptances then you need to look at both schools so I can’t comment on that. But DCI is getting kids into Ivy’s and the number for total scholarships in terms of money awarded to the class the other year was really high.

Lastly, what do you mean by mediocre and in what context? For a school that is not private and does not self select, their IB scores are impressive. They are in the middle and close to WIS which is 55k a year in this town.

Does anyone know why there is such a huge decrease in math proficiency at Latin from the middle school to the high school? 53% down to 20%?

I’m guessing 1 of 2 scenarios. Either lots of high performing kids don’t continue on to high school or math instruction is weak at the school as you go up the grades.

I think it's because the PARCC only tests Algebra I, Algebra II, and Geometry. The best math students get beyond those courses and are no longer part of the PARCC data set.

FWIW it is the goal of Latin (at least at 2nd st) to get every high school student at least through Calculus. In order to make this happen there are a lot of summer school options (including various advanced tracks and additional help). The school is also an approved work site for the city summer youth employment program so that kids who choose to do summer school can get paid for a combination of school work and volunteer work. The summer school program at Latin is really well run and a lot of students take advantage of it, but it gives kids several paths to be finished with some/most/all of the PARCC math subjects before entering high school.

Ok but Calculus should be the floor not the ceiling. What are the advance math options at Latin beyond that?

Stats and Linear Algebra

https://latinpcs.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Washington-Latin-Course-Guide-2021-22-v6.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure DCI has a "more high performing cohort." I Didn't think DCI college acceptances were that great and their IB scores are mediocre.

I’ve been following DCI.

Forget about Cooper. Let’s look at 2nd St. Yes, DCI has almost twice as many kids at/above grade level then 2nd St. in math and a little under that in ELA. That is a huge difference. I’m basing this on PARCC scores of 4 and above.

Latin high school - 382 kids
ELA 70% = 267 kids
Math 20% = 76 kids

Latin middle school - 384 kids
ELA 68% - 261 kids
math 53% - 203 kids

DCI 6-12th, no breakdown like latin with middle/high - 1600 kids
ELA 50% = 800 kids
Math 32% = 512 kids

TOTAL
Latin ELA - 538 kids, math 279 kids
DCI ELA - 800 kids, math 512 kids

Not only does DCI in raw numbers have a more high performing cohort of kids then Latin, but the kids at DCI are learning advance languages where Latin is basic 101. In addition, some of these kids are getting significantly less ELA instruction due to languages and still 1/2 of them are doing fine in ELA.

If you want to compare college acceptances then you need to look at both schools so I can’t comment on that. But DCI is getting kids into Ivy’s and the number for total scholarships in terms of money awarded to the class the other year was really high.

Lastly, what do you mean by mediocre and in what context? For a school that is not private and does not self select, their IB scores are impressive. They are in the middle and close to WIS which is 55k a year in this town.

Does anyone know why there is such a huge decrease in math proficiency at Latin from the middle school to the high school? 53% down to 20%?

I’m guessing 1 of 2 scenarios. Either lots of high performing kids don’t continue on to high school or math instruction is weak at the school as you go up the grades.

I think it's because the PARCC only tests Algebra I, Algebra II, and Geometry. The best math students get beyond those courses and are no longer part of the PARCC data set.

This is a big part of the answer.

[Anonymous]

My kids are at Latin and are not math whizzes. They are whizzes in other subjects and have been really well supported in those. They do have friends who are off-the-charts math whizzes, though, and they receive instruction at whatever level they are, even if it means one-on-one independent study with a teacher.

I’m not generally a rah-rah booster of anything in life—not sports, not my NGO employer, etc. But I LOVE Latin. Our kids have formed really special and life-changing relationships with teachers there and the school has been totally formative for both, but especially for my shy, formerly not particularly scholastic kid. I also know people have been happy at DCI—just wanted to cast my vote for Latin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure DCI has a "more high performing cohort." I Didn't think DCI college acceptances were that great and their IB scores are mediocre.

I’ve been following DCI.

Forget about Cooper. Let’s look at 2nd St. Yes, DCI has almost twice as many kids at/above grade level then 2nd St. in math and a little under that in ELA. That is a huge difference. I’m basing this on PARCC scores of 4 and above.

Latin high school - 382 kids
ELA 70% = 267 kids
Math 20% = 76 kids

Latin middle school - 384 kids
ELA 68% - 261 kids
math 53% - 203 kids

DCI 6-12th, no breakdown like latin with middle/high - 1600 kids
ELA 50% = 800 kids
Math 32% = 512 kids

TOTAL
Latin ELA - 538 kids, math 279 kids
DCI ELA - 800 kids, math 512 kids

Not only does DCI in raw numbers have a more high performing cohort of kids then Latin, but the kids at DCI are learning advance languages where Latin is basic 101. In addition, some of these kids are getting significantly less ELA instruction due to languages and still 1/2 of them are doing fine in ELA.

If you want to compare college acceptances then you need to look at both schools so I can’t comment on that. But DCI is getting kids into Ivy’s and the number for total scholarships in terms of money awarded to the class the other year was really high.

Lastly, what do you mean by mediocre and in what context? For a school that is not private and does not self select, their IB scores are impressive. They are in the middle and close to WIS which is 55k a year in this town.

Does anyone know why there is such a huge decrease in math proficiency at Latin from the middle school to the high school? 53% down to 20%?

I’m guessing 1 of 2 scenarios. Either lots of high performing kids don’t continue on to high school or math instruction is weak at the school as you go up the grades.

I think it's because the PARCC only tests Algebra I, Algebra II, and Geometry. The best math students get beyond those courses and are no longer part of the PARCC data set.

FWIW it is the goal of Latin (at least at 2nd st) to get every high school student at least through Calculus. In order to make this happen there are a lot of summer school options (including various advanced tracks and additional help). The school is also an approved work site for the city summer youth employment program so that kids who choose to do summer school can get paid for a combination of school work and volunteer work. The summer school program at Latin is really well run and a lot of students take advantage of it, but it gives kids several paths to be finished with some/most/all of the PARCC math subjects before entering high school.

Ok but Calculus should be the floor not the ceiling. What are the advance math options at Latin beyond that?

As a college professor, it’s already bad enough reteaching your kids half taught and half learned calculus, I can’t even imagine trying to reteach LA or whatever they turn Rudin into for high school kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kids are at Latin and are not math whizzes. They are whizzes in other subjects and have been really well supported in those. They do have friends who are off-the-charts math whizzes, though, and they receive instruction at whatever level they are, even if it means one-on-one independent study with a teacher.

I’m not generally a rah-rah booster of anything in life—not sports, not my NGO employer, etc. But I LOVE Latin. Our kids have formed really special and life-changing relationships with teachers there and the school has been totally formative for both, but especially for my shy, formerly not particularly scholastic kid. I also know people have been happy at DCI—just wanted to cast my vote for Latin.

Latin or Latin Cooper? I know the schools are similar, but they are not the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids are at Latin and are not math whizzes. They are whizzes in other subjects and have been really well supported in those. They do have friends who are off-the-charts math whizzes, though, and they receive instruction at whatever level they are, even if it means one-on-one independent study with a teacher.

I’m not generally a rah-rah booster of anything in life—not sports, not my NGO employer, etc. But I LOVE Latin. Our kids have formed really special and life-changing relationships with teachers there and the school has been totally formative for both, but especially for my shy, formerly not particularly scholastic kid. I also know people have been happy at DCI—just wanted to cast my vote for Latin.

Latin or Latin Cooper? I know the schools are similar, but they are not the same.

They are two campuses but one school. If we’re talking about calculus, it’s obviously Latin 2nd St.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But if it is Spanish, there shouldn't be any issues getting in next year. Even for schools with larger 5th classes, there will be space made by the schools with smaller 5th classes.

+1. Also IMO DCI much better option. It’s more established, IB curriculum and IB diploma a plus, and much better facilities, sports, extracurriculars.

Also the language is not the same at all. Copper is very limited in language offerings and your kid will start language 101 from the beginning which is a huge waste of time if they even offer the same language.

DCI tracks and offers advance language instruction. Also my understanding is that if your kid is in the highest language track, about 1/2 their courses can be taught in the language. Now if your kid is in the lower language track, that would not be the case.

If language is at all important to you, the PP's clarification is important. It is even more than taking multiple classes in the target language. It is a core feature of the school, so it is a different mindset about languages. Not everyone believes they place enough emphasis on the languages for an immersion school. But it is still a different mindset about the importance of language to the school academic profile. Both of my DC have been able to add an additional language class beyond their Spanish track as well.