Yondr pouch pilot program at some MS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll buy my kid a $10 dummy phone to put in the pouch.

OK, that’s your decision. But don’t come on here later on and say that the process doesn’t work.

phones in school aren't something I care about. I care about constant fights, kids ditching and hanging out in hallways, loudly disruptive kids in class. If the schools cared about those issues, then I might care when my kid is quietly on a phone

You know what causes half those issues? Phones. They text eachother when to meet up in the hall to fight, when to meet up in the bathroom to do drugs. They use their phones to record people and bully them.

That’s actually funny that you think phones are the cause of this. I went to HS before cell phones existed. There were drugs and fights. It was a different type of school than my kids attend but the fights were frequent and violent. Kids were suspended or expelled. There was also detention. You knew there would be consequences if you did xyz and got caught.

[Anonymous]

My kid's MS has a parent mtg next week on it. I'm going and plan to voice strong support for this. (DC thinks it's dumb that they didn't first at least mandate use of the shoe racks; apparently only one class had those last year he said.) It'll be interesting to see how many are against it. I'm really surprised at the mostly negative comments in this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid's MS has a parent mtg next week on it. I'm going and plan to voice strong support for this. (DC thinks it's dumb that they didn't first at least mandate use of the shoe racks; apparently only one class had those last year he said.) It'll be interesting to see how many are against it. I'm really surprised at the mostly negative comments in this thread.

I support all the kids having phones off and away during the school day, I’m just skeptical of this particular program. Seems like a lot that could go wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid's MS has a parent mtg next week on it. I'm going and plan to voice strong support for this. (DC thinks it's dumb that they didn't first at least mandate use of the shoe racks; apparently only one class had those last year he said.) It'll be interesting to see how many are against it. I'm really surprised at the mostly negative comments in this thread.

I know a former teacher who made a phone box and required his students to put phones in it during class for years before it became a huge problem. He was also an older guy almost to retirement and he didn’t care what admin or parents thought and he didn’t have any students or parents complain. His classroom his rules.

Part of this is parents enable their kids and don’t respect schools or teachers anymore.

[Anonymous]

I think the new program is worth trying. It may not be perfect, but I do hope that it will help.

Overall, I wish there was stronger discipline in schools with meaningful consequences. And that parents would do the hard work of actually parenting and letting their kids suffer consequences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid's MS has a parent mtg next week on it. I'm going and plan to voice strong support for this. (DC thinks it's dumb that they didn't first at least mandate use of the shoe racks; apparently only one class had those last year he said.) It'll be interesting to see how many are against it. I'm really surprised at the mostly negative comments in this thread.

There have been a number of threads about the new pilot programs and about the existing phone rules. It seems some MS have successfully implemented Away for the Day while others haven't, and it seems that HS have been having more trouble with phones generally. Many parents are supportive of the rules and of enforcing or increasing them. Some parents aren't, and those are the ones posting on this thread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ll buy my kid a $10 dummy phone to put in the pouch.

OK, that’s your decision. But don’t come on here later on and say that the process doesn’t work.

phones in school aren't something I care about. I care about constant fights, kids ditching and hanging out in hallways, loudly disruptive kids in class. If the schools cared about those issues, then I might care when my kid is quietly on a phone

You know what causes half those issues? Phones. They text eachother when to meet up in the hall to fight, when to meet up in the bathroom to do drugs. They use their phones to record people and bully them.

You know what prevents the same kids who get in fights every day from getting in fights? Removing them from the school

No, that might prevent them from fighting at school, but it certainly doesn't prevent them from fighting.

Then it's an FCPD problem not and FCPS problem. I care about m kid attending a safe school where they don't have to deal with that kind of crap on a regular basis. Removing the kids who participate in it would make me happy. If the kids want to brawl on their own time, I don't care

I agree with this. Our schools have true safety issues and this is what they are going at. Anyone remember Chantilly HS having a random person enter school during bus arrival-I do. This year an Ex-student entered Westfield the same way. Let's fix safety issues and major out of control behaviors in the schools.

Part of this is cell phone use. Coordinating which doors to go through, inviting people into the building and meeting them, restroom meet ups. This is all done through cell phones.

Ummm maybe a slight part but these two knew they could just walk in one wasn't a student and was just a perv-it's chaotic at arrival and dismissal times and security is lacking at the big schools. That is not on phones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid's MS has a parent mtg next week on it. I'm going and plan to voice strong support for this. (DC thinks it's dumb that they didn't first at least mandate use of the shoe racks; apparently only one class had those last year he said.) It'll be interesting to see how many are against it. I'm really surprised at the mostly negative comments in this thread.

Some Teachers have reported that students refused to store their phone in a backpack or the shoe rack or anything similar. Some students were belligerent and threatened the teacher. Also, some Adminstations did not support Tacehrs who tried to enforce the phones being away in class. It was hard to enforce and, in some rare cases, dangerous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the new program is worth trying. It may not be perfect, but I do hope that it will help.

Overall, I wish there was stronger discipline in schools with meaningful consequences. And that parents would do the hard work of actually parenting and letting their kids suffer consequences.

+1
Enforce “Away For the Day”. My DW says when admin started enforcing it with the confiscation of puones, issues with the phones lessened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid's MS has a parent mtg next week on it. I'm going and plan to voice strong support for this. (DC thinks it's dumb that they didn't first at least mandate use of the shoe racks; apparently only one class had those last year he said.) It'll be interesting to see how many are against it. I'm really surprised at the mostly negative comments in this thread.

Some Teachers have reported that students refused to store their phone in a backpack or the shoe rack or anything similar. Some students were belligerent and threatened the teacher. Also, some Adminstations did not support Tacehrs who tried to enforce the phones being away in class. It was hard to enforce and, in some rare cases, dangerous.

They are belligerent. Look at parents posting here: they are belligerent. They want all of the benefits of a free public education with zero willingness to accept it’s a PUBLIC good that has standards and rules they and their kids need to follow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ll buy my kid a $10 dummy phone to put in the pouch.

OK, that’s your decision. But don’t come on here later on and say that the process doesn’t work.

phones in school aren't something I care about. I care about constant fights, kids ditching and hanging out in hallways, loudly disruptive kids in class. If the schools cared about those issues, then I might care when my kid is quietly on a phone

You know what causes half those issues? Phones. They text eachother when to meet up in the hall to fight, when to meet up in the bathroom to do drugs. They use their phones to record people and bully them.

That’s actually funny that you think phones are the cause of this. I went to HS before cell phones existed. There were drugs and fights. It was a different type of school than my kids attend but the fights were frequent and violent. Kids were suspended or expelled. There was also detention. You knew there would be consequences if you did xyz and got caught.

And now they can’t get detention but they can record a student with disabilities in the bathroom and post it to social media. They can record each other in class doing presentations and post it; they can and do record themselves trying to goad teachers into flipping out on camera so they can post it. None of your comment negates the reality phones make all behavior issues in school worse and much more complicated and hard to address than when YOU were in high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ll buy my kid a $10 dummy phone to put in the pouch.

OK, that’s your decision. But don’t come on here later on and say that the process doesn’t work.

phones in school aren't something I care about. I care about constant fights, kids ditching and hanging out in hallways, loudly disruptive kids in class. If the schools cared about those issues, then I might care when my kid is quietly on a phone

You know what causes half those issues? Phones. They text eachother when to meet up in the hall to fight, when to meet up in the bathroom to do drugs. They use their phones to record people and bully them.

That’s actually funny that you think phones are the cause of this. I went to HS before cell phones existed. There were drugs and fights. It was a different type of school than my kids attend but the fights were frequent and violent. Kids were suspended or expelled. There was also detention. You knew there would be consequences if you did xyz and got caught.

And now they can’t get detention but they can record a student with disabilities in the bathroom and post it to social media. They can record each other in class doing presentations and post it; they can and do record themselves trying to goad teachers into flipping out on camera so they can post it. None of your comment negates the reality phones make all behavior issues in school worse and much more complicated and hard to address than when YOU were in high school.

This happened a few years ago at an FCPS HS and the student killed himself. I was shocked cell phones weren't required to be put away all day at this school once that happened.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that these systems only work if you assume every kid has a phone. Because if kids can just say they don't have one, then many of them will say that, which defeats the point, because the kids who will admit they have them are the rule followers who would leave them in their backpack in the first place.

No solution is perfect. Doesn't mean you don't try it.

If the kid says they don't have one, and they are caught with one, it should go to the admin's office.

But that's the policy now. And it doesn't work. Because admin doesn't do anything. And parents pitch a fit that their child's phone was taken. The good kids will follow the rules and the rule breakers will continue to do what they've always done. Literally nothing will change.

Additionally, the cell phones are a significantly bigger problem at the high school level where there was no off and away policy last year. They were allowed to have theirs out and it was a daily battle. The middle schoolers, by and large, responded very well to the off and away policy because it was pushed county wide and there was no time ever the were allowed to have it out, even at lunch. This pilot program should have been rolled out at the high school level where phone use runs rampant.

I see it as improvement if most kids no longer are distracted by their phones. It’s hard to process and focus on new information that way. Many kids addicted to electronics are not bad kids, and I really do think this will help focus them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid's MS has a parent mtg next week on it. I'm going and plan to voice strong support for this. (DC thinks it's dumb that they didn't first at least mandate use of the shoe racks; apparently only one class had those last year he said.) It'll be interesting to see how many are against it. I'm really surprised at the mostly negative comments in this thread.

Some Teachers have reported that students refused to store their phone in a backpack or the shoe rack or anything similar. Some students were belligerent and threatened the teacher. Also, some Adminstations did not support Tacehrs who tried to enforce the phones being away in class. It was hard to enforce and, in some rare cases, dangerous.

Teacher here. All that happens in schools, which is why I refuse to have a phone rack or take a student’s phone. Those students refusing to put their phones away before are the ones who will not willing lock it in the pouch. They will put a fake phone, an empty phone case or say they don’t have a phone. The rule following kids will lock away their phones, just as they followed the previous plan.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ll buy my kid a $10 dummy phone to put in the pouch.

And this is why teachers hate your screen addicted kid.
Signed,
a HS teacher

Why would they need a second phone? Just don't put anything in the pouch. Phone is at home or kid does not have a phone.

If they aren't requiring kids to put something in the pouch, how does it work?

How could they require each kid to put something in the pouch? Not every middle schooler has a phone.

If your kid keeps their phone in their backpack, turns it off and never takes it out, they won’t know. Problem solved. Your kid doesn’t have to use the ‘horribly unfair’ pouch and the teacher doesn’t have to constantly ask your kid to put their phone away.