Colleges without overenrolled/oversubscribed Computer science

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Anonymous wrote:Full Sail. My husbands coworker had 3 job offers upon graduation-one being Microsoft. He took the Microsoft job with really, really good pay. He also worked full time while doing his degree.

Don't go to a for-profit school. Ever.

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Anonymous wrote:William & Mary, esp with additional resources on the way as the school of Computing, Data Science, and Physics launches fall 2025.

Sounds like lack of history and inexperienced.
Sounds like red flag.

They've always had a Computer Science program, they're just breaking it out of the school of arts and sciences. In what world does that mean a red flag?

It's a third option at the best for VA in-state, even forth after GMU for some people anyways.
Can't imagine paying OOS for W&M CS.

Maybe if you don't value anything other than a raw ranking. A good chunk of the students in the CS program are from out of state and had offers to UCs, UNC, UF, and other good CS schools.

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Anonymous wrote:How are things at the smaller liberal arts colleges, like Williams, Swarthmore or Amherst?

Swarthmore is a mess and is rationing out CS courses, because it's such a problem. Williams and Amherst are fine. Pomona, well known on this forum, is stretched beyond imagination with about 2x the amount of CS majors of Williams and Amherst, while being a smaller college.

Carleton has a match system to help students get the CS courses they need (https://www.carleton.edu/computer-science/resources/registering-via-the-match/). My student is a non-major but has been able to take lots of higher-level CS courses.

This seems like it would become overburdened after a few years in test phase. After a while, these type of ideas falter when Popular CS courses are offered such as AI, ML, etc. Likely a good amount of students are being denied courses they want, because they need to match appropriately for upper division classes.

So far, so good. My kid is a rising senior and hasn't had trouble getting into CS classes.

When the Carleton class of 2024 declared their majors sophomore year, CS was the most popular major with 79 students (Second most popular major was biology, at 40 students.) For the class of 2025, it was 93 CS majors (and bio second at 58).

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Anonymous wrote:How are things at the smaller liberal arts colleges, like Williams, Swarthmore or Amherst?

Swarthmore is a mess and is rationing out CS courses, because it's such a problem. Williams and Amherst are fine. Pomona, well known on this forum, is stretched beyond imagination with about 2x the amount of CS majors of Williams and Amherst, while being a smaller college.

Carleton has a match system to help students get the CS courses they need (https://www.carleton.edu/computer-science/resources/registering-via-the-match/). My student is a non-major but has been able to take lots of higher-level CS courses.

This seems like it would become overburdened after a few years in test phase. After a while, these type of ideas falter when Popular CS courses are offered such as AI, ML, etc. Likely a good amount of students are being denied courses they want, because they need to match appropriately for upper division classes.

So far, so good. My kid is a rising senior and hasn't had trouble getting into CS classes.

When the Carleton class of 2024 declared their majors sophomore year, CS was the most popular major with 79 students (Second most popular major was biology, at 40 students.) For the class of 2025, it was 93 CS majors (and bio second at 58).

Sad state for liberal arts majors

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WPI, RPI and RIT are good but weather and locales are depressing. Very depressing.

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Anonymous wrote:The better private universities.

Stanford
MIT
Princeton
CMU
Duke
Rice
Northwestern
Hopkins
Penn
Cornell

A lot of publics might be better ranked in CS, but it's a pain and a slog getting a degree with so many 500/1000+ intro classes. Berkeley alone has CS classes with more than 1700 students.

+1

This is the group to aim for, CS and Engineering. Smaller classes, top of the field professors, easy to get research including paid research, professors who care and want to build relationships with undergrads

Sure, its a group of schools to "aim for" but with an average acceptance rate of 10%, its not useful in the slightest.

It is useful for the top academic types, which is tens of thousands of high schoolers every year. OP did not specify they wanted to avoid the best or were looking for an easy admit. If you want top CS with the best undergrad experience then this is the list

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Anonymous wrote:The better private universities.

Stanford
MIT
Princeton
CMU
Duke
Rice
Northwestern
Hopkins
Penn
Cornell

A lot of publics might be better ranked in CS, but it's a pain and a slog getting a degree with so many 500/1000+ intro classes. Berkeley alone has CS classes with more than 1700 students.

Of that list with CS issues, Cornell ( https://cornellsun.com/2023/01/31/computer-and-information-science-students-struggle-with-course-enrollment-adding-stress-instead-of-classes/ ), Penn ( https://www.thedp.com/article/2019/03/computer-science-classes-coding-ivy-league-upenn-philadelphia ), Johns Hopkins (https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2017/02/over-500-waitlisted-for-comp-sci-classes ), Duke potentially (https://www.reddit.com/r/duke/comments/n0905v/duke_cs_concerns_is_it_really_as_bad_as_some_say/ ) and Rice potentially ( https://www.reddit.com/r/riceuniversity/comments/4h32r9/how_is_rice_cs/ ).
It has been a nightmare at DC's college, Umich, and I am very pessimistic about colleges ability to change this.

Can you elaborate? DC (rising senior) has never had issues with getting a class he wanted, is on track to graduate this semester with a minor. Several of his friends have already graduated (in 3 years) without issues.

Hey, DC just graduated from Mich! It's not a graduating issue, but likely a fit issue. He chose to go to a university, because he was advanced in computer science and wanted grad-level coursework/PhD (and the support wasn't great also takes forever for office hours in some courses). By his junior year, the courses he was looking to take all were immediately gone with long waitlists, and he felt like he was still scrambling after underclassmen years. It's definitely softening after first year admission restriction changes. By the time he wanted to try out grad school courses, he was met with a lot of resistance and realized it wasn't going to happen.

Entering UMich student for the fall and also having a really terrible time with the basic STEM classes kid wants. Like there is not even a waitlist. All honors classes completely full, no waitlist. Can’t take prerequisite intro classes. And he’s entering with a lot of AP credit so not sure what to take.

For the high OOS price he may just transfer after this first year.

All big schools are like this. Sad they sell one story to applicants and yet another reality exists.

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Anonymous wrote:The better private universities.

Stanford
MIT
Princeton
CMU
Duke
Rice
Northwestern
Hopkins
Penn
Cornell

A lot of publics might be better ranked in CS, but it's a pain and a slog getting a degree with so many 500/1000+ intro classes. Berkeley alone has CS classes with more than 1700 students.

Of that list with CS issues, Cornell ( https://cornellsun.com/2023/01/31/computer-and-information-science-students-struggle-with-course-enrollment-adding-stress-instead-of-classes/ ), Penn ( https://www.thedp.com/article/2019/03/computer-science-classes-coding-ivy-league-upenn-philadelphia ), Johns Hopkins (https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2017/02/over-500-waitlisted-for-comp-sci-classes ), Duke potentially (https://www.reddit.com/r/duke/comments/n0905v/duke_cs_concerns_is_it_really_as_bad_as_some_say/ ) and Rice potentially ( https://www.reddit.com/r/riceuniversity/comments/4h32r9/how_is_rice_cs/ ).
It has been a nightmare at DC's college, Umich, and I am very pessimistic about colleges ability to change this.

Can you elaborate? DC (rising senior) has never had issues with getting a class he wanted, is on track to graduate this semester with a minor. Several of his friends have already graduated (in 3 years) without issues.

Hey, DC just graduated from Mich! It's not a graduating issue, but likely a fit issue. He chose to go to a university, because he was advanced in computer science and wanted grad-level coursework/PhD (and the support wasn't great also takes forever for office hours in some courses). By his junior year, the courses he was looking to take all were immediately gone with long waitlists, and he felt like he was still scrambling after underclassmen years. It's definitely softening after first year admission restriction changes. By the time he wanted to try out grad school courses, he was met with a lot of resistance and realized it wasn't going to happen.

Entering UMich student for the fall and also having a really terrible time with the basic STEM classes kid wants. Like there is not even a waitlist. All honors classes completely full, no waitlist. Can’t take prerequisite intro classes. And he’s entering with a lot of AP credit so not sure what to take.

For the high OOS price he may just transfer after this first year.

All big schools are like this. Sad they sell one story to applicants and yet another reality exists.

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Anonymous wrote:The better private universities.

Stanford
MIT
Princeton
CMU
Duke
Rice
Northwestern
Hopkins
Penn
Cornell

A lot of publics might be better ranked in CS, but it's a pain and a slog getting a degree with so many 500/1000+ intro classes. Berkeley alone has CS classes with more than 1700 students.

Of that list with CS issues, Cornell ( https://cornellsun.com/2023/01/31/computer-and-information-science-students-struggle-with-course-enrollment-adding-stress-instead-of-classes/ ), Penn ( https://www.thedp.com/article/2019/03/computer-science-classes-coding-ivy-league-upenn-philadelphia ), Johns Hopkins (https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2017/02/over-500-waitlisted-for-comp-sci-classes ), Duke potentially (https://www.reddit.com/r/duke/comments/n0905v/duke_cs_concerns_is_it_really_as_bad_as_some_say/ ) and Rice potentially ( https://www.reddit.com/r/riceuniversity/comments/4h32r9/how_is_rice_cs/ ).
It has been a nightmare at DC's college, Umich, and I am very pessimistic about colleges ability to change this.

Can you elaborate? DC (rising senior) has never had issues with getting a class he wanted, is on track to graduate this semester with a minor. Several of his friends have already graduated (in 3 years) without issues.

Hey, DC just graduated from Mich! It's not a graduating issue, but likely a fit issue. He chose to go to a university, because he was advanced in computer science and wanted grad-level coursework/PhD (and the support wasn't great also takes forever for office hours in some courses). By his junior year, the courses he was looking to take all were immediately gone with long waitlists, and he felt like he was still scrambling after underclassmen years. It's definitely softening after first year admission restriction changes. By the time he wanted to try out grad school courses, he was met with a lot of resistance and realized it wasn't going to happen.

Entering UMich student for the fall and also having a really terrible time with the basic STEM classes kid wants. Like there is not even a waitlist. All honors classes completely full, no waitlist. Can’t take prerequisite intro classes. And he’s entering with a lot of AP credit so not sure what to take.

For the high OOS price he may just transfer after this first year.

All big schools are like this. Sad they sell one story to applicants and yet another reality exists.

Incorrect

Examples? It would help OP!

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Anonymous wrote:Full Sail. My husbands coworker had 3 job offers upon graduation-one being Microsoft. He took the Microsoft job with really, really good pay. He also worked full time while doing his degree.

No way would I pay for my child to go to this school.

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Anonymous wrote:Full Sail. My husbands coworker had 3 job offers upon graduation-one being Microsoft. He took the Microsoft job with really, really good pay. He also worked full time while doing his degree.

No way would I pay for my child to go to this school.

Not even a school, just a for profit dump for kids not smart enough to go to college.

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Anonymous wrote:The better private universities.

Stanford
MIT
Princeton
CMU
Duke
Rice
Northwestern
Hopkins
Penn
Cornell

A lot of publics might be better ranked in CS, but it's a pain and a slog getting a degree with so many 500/1000+ intro classes. Berkeley alone has CS classes with more than 1700 students.

Of that list with CS issues, Cornell ( https://cornellsun.com/2023/01/31/computer-and-information-science-students-struggle-with-course-enrollment-adding-stress-instead-of-classes/ ), Penn ( https://www.thedp.com/article/2019/03/computer-science-classes-coding-ivy-league-upenn-philadelphia ), Johns Hopkins (https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2017/02/over-500-waitlisted-for-comp-sci-classes ), Duke potentially (https://www.reddit.com/r/duke/comments/n0905v/duke_cs_concerns_is_it_really_as_bad_as_some_say/ ) and Rice potentially ( https://www.reddit.com/r/riceuniversity/comments/4h32r9/how_is_rice_cs/ ).
It has been a nightmare at DC's college, Umich, and I am very pessimistic about colleges ability to change this.

Can you elaborate? DC (rising senior) has never had issues with getting a class he wanted, is on track to graduate this semester with a minor. Several of his friends have already graduated (in 3 years) without issues.

Hey, DC just graduated from Mich! It's not a graduating issue, but likely a fit issue. He chose to go to a university, because he was advanced in computer science and wanted grad-level coursework/PhD (and the support wasn't great also takes forever for office hours in some courses). By his junior year, the courses he was looking to take all were immediately gone with long waitlists, and he felt like he was still scrambling after underclassmen years. It's definitely softening after first year admission restriction changes. By the time he wanted to try out grad school courses, he was met with a lot of resistance and realized it wasn't going to happen.

Entering UMich student for the fall and also having a really terrible time with the basic STEM classes kid wants. Like there is not even a waitlist. All honors classes completely full, no waitlist. Can’t take prerequisite intro classes. And he’s entering with a lot of AP credit so not sure what to take.

For the high OOS price he may just transfer after this first year.

All big schools are like this. Sad they sell one story to applicants and yet another reality exists.

Incorrect

Examples? It would help OP!

There were 3 posts earlier today about the ability to enroll for desired CS classes at UMD.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The better private universities.

Stanford
MIT
Princeton
CMU
Duke
Rice
Northwestern
Hopkins
Penn
Cornell

A lot of publics might be better ranked in CS, but it's a pain and a slog getting a degree with so many 500/1000+ intro classes. Berkeley alone has CS classes with more than 1700 students.

Of that list with CS issues, Cornell ( https://cornellsun.com/2023/01/31/computer-and-information-science-students-struggle-with-course-enrollment-adding-stress-instead-of-classes/ ), Penn ( https://www.thedp.com/article/2019/03/computer-science-classes-coding-ivy-league-upenn-philadelphia ), Johns Hopkins (https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2017/02/over-500-waitlisted-for-comp-sci-classes ), Duke potentially (https://www.reddit.com/r/duke/comments/n0905v/duke_cs_concerns_is_it_really_as_bad_as_some_say/ ) and Rice potentially ( https://www.reddit.com/r/riceuniversity/comments/4h32r9/how_is_rice_cs/ ).
It has been a nightmare at DC's college, Umich, and I am very pessimistic about colleges ability to change this.

Can you elaborate? DC (rising senior) has never had issues with getting a class he wanted, is on track to graduate this semester with a minor. Several of his friends have already graduated (in 3 years) without issues.

Hey, DC just graduated from Mich! It's not a graduating issue, but likely a fit issue. He chose to go to a university, because he was advanced in computer science and wanted grad-level coursework/PhD (and the support wasn't great also takes forever for office hours in some courses). By his junior year, the courses he was looking to take all were immediately gone with long waitlists, and he felt like he was still scrambling after underclassmen years. It's definitely softening after first year admission restriction changes. By the time he wanted to try out grad school courses, he was met with a lot of resistance and realized it wasn't going to happen.

Entering UMich student for the fall and also having a really terrible time with the basic STEM classes kid wants. Like there is not even a waitlist. All honors classes completely full, no waitlist. Can’t take prerequisite intro classes. And he’s entering with a lot of AP credit so not sure what to take.

For the high OOS price he may just transfer after this first year.

All big schools are like this. Sad they sell one story to applicants and yet another reality exists.

Incorrect

Examples? It would help OP!

There were 3 posts earlier today about the ability to enroll for desired CS classes at UMD.

I saw those too, thought you had your own examples other than a single school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The better private universities.

Stanford
MIT
Princeton
CMU
Duke
Rice
Northwestern
Hopkins
Penn
Cornell

A lot of publics might be better ranked in CS, but it's a pain and a slog getting a degree with so many 500/1000+ intro classes. Berkeley alone has CS classes with more than 1700 students.

My DC graduated from Berkeley in 3 years with double major in CS and Econ w/o any summer courses. Don't believe the crowding BS. Only the 3 intro CS classes are large lecture/discussion sections. DC also was able to take graduate courses in AI, machine learning etc. as an undergraduate w/o any hassles which was great.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The better private universities.

Stanford
MIT
Princeton
CMU
Duke
Rice
Northwestern
Hopkins
Penn
Cornell

A lot of publics might be better ranked in CS, but it's a pain and a slog getting a degree with so many 500/1000+ intro classes. Berkeley alone has CS classes with more than 1700 students.

My DC graduated from Berkeley in 3 years with double major in CS and Econ w/o any summer courses. Don't believe the crowding BS. Only the 3 intro CS classes are large lecture/discussion sections. DC also was able to take graduate courses in AI, machine learning etc. as an undergraduate w/o any hassles which was great.

Berkeley is one of those schools where the sky is the limit and if you’re advanced, you’ll go further than anyone else.

Now if you’re mediocre…