Any predictions on divisions next year? NVSL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kids swim for a division 11 pool, and I’m hoping all the division 11 teams stay in that division. All the meets have been relatively close, all the other teams have been good sports, my fellow timers have been friendly, the pools we have gone to have been nice. I hear all these issues in other divisions and I just want to keep our entire division.

That's the way summer swim should be. We are division 7 this season. Four of the six teams came up from division 8 together and it made for a nice season.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kids swim for a division 11 pool, and I’m hoping all the division 11 teams stay in that division. All the meets have been relatively close, all the other teams have been good sports, my fellow timers have been friendly, the pools we have gone to have been nice. I hear all these issues in other divisions and I just want to keep our entire division.

My kids are on a D11 pool team also, and it has been a lovely season. Also none of the teams, are very far from one another, which is really nice early on a Saturday morning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Really they should put Tuckahoe, Overlee, and Chesterbrook in their own division and they can race each other twice and be as obnoxious as the like to be to each other

Then put Donaldson Run, Highlands, OKM, Crosspointe, Langley, and Kent Gardens together
Everyone would be happier

New to swimming and not close to d1, super curious about this. Is the issue the coaches/leadership and trickles down to swimmers, or obnoxious entitled parents raising similar kids, out of any coaches’ control?

NP. We have had two kids in D1 swim (not Tuckahoe, Overlee or Chesterbrook) the past two years. I have never seen the obnoxious behavior folks make reference to here. Wondering if this is a hangover impression from years ago, or isolated instances. I will say that these teams can be what I would describe as a bit intense at times. But I have no issue with any team taking the sport seriously. Some teams are just more laid back, others not so much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Really they should put Tuckahoe, Overlee, and Chesterbrook in their own division and they can race each other twice and be as obnoxious as the like to be to each other

Then put Donaldson Run, Highlands, OKM, Crosspointe, Langley, and Kent Gardens together
Everyone would be happier

New to swimming and not close to d1, super curious about this. Is the issue the coaches/leadership and trickles down to swimmers, or obnoxious entitled parents raising similar kids, out of any coaches’ control?

NP. We have had two kids in D1 swim (not Tuckahoe, Overlee or Chesterbrook) the past two years. I have never seen the obnoxious behavior folks make reference to here. Wondering if this is a hangover impression from years ago, or isolated instances. I will say that these teams can be what I would describe as a bit intense at times. But I have no issue with any team taking the sport seriously. Some teams are just more laid back, others not so much.

Same profile and same impression. Most of them are just people having a good time and are friendly and fine. Not discounting the isolated incidents of bad behavior and it sounds from this thread like Chesterbrook in particular might have some bigger issues. However, the issue just seems overblown to me.

Let's be real, people don't like that these teams win all the time. It's not fun to swim against them year after year and lose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Really they should put Tuckahoe, Overlee, and Chesterbrook in their own division and they can race each other twice and be as obnoxious as the like to be to each other

Then put Donaldson Run, Highlands, OKM, Crosspointe, Langley, and Kent Gardens together
Everyone would be happier

New to swimming and not close to d1, super curious about this. Is the issue the coaches/leadership and trickles down to swimmers, or obnoxious entitled parents raising similar kids, out of any coaches’ control?

NP. We have had two kids in D1 swim (not Tuckahoe, Overlee or Chesterbrook) the past two years. I have never seen the obnoxious behavior folks make reference to here. Wondering if this is a hangover impression from years ago, or isolated instances. I will say that these teams can be what I would describe as a bit intense at times. But I have no issue with any team taking the sport seriously. Some teams are just more laid back, others not so much.

Same profile and same impression. Most of them are just people having a good time and are friendly and fine. Not discounting the isolated incidents of bad behavior and it sounds from this thread like Chesterbrook in particular might have some bigger issues. However, the issue just seems overblown to me.

Let's be real, people don't like that these teams win all the time. It's not fun to swim against them year after year and lose.

+1. We have worked meets with parents from all of these pools and had zero unpleasant experiences. Just about everyone was friendly and easy to work with. There's definitely a palpable intensity/energy at meets w/ the big 3, and people celebrate when their kids do well, but nothing out of the ordinary.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Teams do not decide if they get to move up or down. They fill out a seeding survey. The NVSL determines who moves up or down. You find out at the seeding meeting. OKM or some other team doesn't get to "decline" to be in division 1.

But the seeding survey asks what division you think you should be in, and NVSL can weigh that answer heavily in their decision.

Also, the factor that folks aren’t discussing are the virtual meets. The seeding survey asks which meet was most representative of your team and then they can use those meets to run virtual meets between teams. I understand that those results can heavily sway the seeding committee.

If virtual meets really matter, we should see Ravensworth Farm (D8) make a big jump. They are very STRONG against the adjacent division champions.

vs. D4 champion; Ravensworth Farm 209 - Little Hunting Park 206
vs. D5 champion; Ravensworth Farm 212 - Pinecrest 208
vs. D6 champion; Ravensworth Farm 236 - Fairfax 184
vs. D7 co-champion; Ravensworth Farm 223 - Rolling Hills 197
vs. D7 co-champion; Ravensworth Farm 243 - Parklawn 177

* All virtual meets based on July 13, 2024 results

I wouldn't use this past Saturday, because teams with older strong swimmers were missing a lot for open champs.

Using the 6/29 data, they lose 3 out of 4 head to head match ups.

The 7/13 Ravensworth team beats the 6/29 Ravensworth team by a score of 273 to 147 -- they clearly saved their best for last. Using that high water mark, Ravensworth will fare well in a best v. best virtual meet scenario against roughly 20 teams currently seeded ahead of them. They might not leapfrog Fairfax, Rolling Hills, and Springboard for a spot in D5, but those could be close calls for the seeding committee.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The NVSL divisions work because there are exactly enough teams to make divisions of 6 teams each. If you spin off the top three, you'll end up with three extra teams elsewhere in the league. Would you put the bottom three into their own division as well? Make three 7-team divisions? Cancel three pools entirely? Or do you only care about the top two divisions, doesn't matter what happens to everyone else?

Move over Arlington Knights of Columbus, Ft Myer and one other pool from the Colonial Swim League.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The NVSL divisions work because there are exactly enough teams to make divisions of 6 teams each. If you spin off the top three, you'll end up with three extra teams elsewhere in the league. Would you put the bottom three into their own division as well? Make three 7-team divisions? Cancel three pools entirely? Or do you only care about the top two divisions, doesn't matter what happens to everyone else?

The suggestion was a tongue and cheek joke

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With two teams tying for first place in Division 2 (Langley and Crosspointe), what do people think will happen? I think one of the following options is most likely:
1. OKM stays in D1
2. Kent Gardens skips 2 and goes up to 1.

What does everyone else think?

All 17 divisions reseeded ./././

Division 1
Tuckahoe
Chesterbrook
Overlee
Donaldson Run
Highlands Swim
Old Keene Mill

Division 2
Crosspointe
Langley
Oakton
High Point Pool
Hunt Valley
Kent Gardens

Division 3
McLean
Wakefield Chapel
Fair Oaks
Mantua
Little Rocky Run
Little Hunting Park

Division 4
Hamlet
Vienna Woods
Orange Hunt
Hiddenbrook
Pinecrest
Sleepy Hollow Rec

Division 5
Cardinal Hill
Virginia Hills
Virginia Run
Fairfax
Springboard
Rolling Hills

Division 6
Vienna Aquatic
Lee Graham
Poplar Heights
Parklawn
Ravensworth Farm
Fox Hunt

Division 7
South Run
Sleepy Hollow B & R
Canterbury Woods
Waynewood
Cottontail
Lakeview

Division 8
Fairfax Station
Hunter Mill
Dunn Loring
Dominion Hills
Mount Vernon Park
Dowden Terrace

Division 9
Camelot
Arlington Forest
Forest Hollow
Hollin Meadows
Kings Ridge
Greenbriar

Division 10
Lakevale Estates
Sully Station
Villa Aquatic
Mansion House
Country Club Hills
Highland Park

Division 11
Walden Glen
Truro
Daventry
Mosby Woods
Shouse Village
Rolling Valley

Division 12
Holmes Run Acres
Brookfield
Stratford
Poplar Tree
Great Falls
Sideburn Run

Division 13
Fairfax Club Estates
Riverside Gardens
Fox Mill Woods
Commonwealth
Hayfield Farm
Parliament

Division 14
Rolling Forest
Woodley
Somerset-Olde Creek
Lincolnia Park
Burke Station
Fox Mill Estates

Division 15
Brandywine
Laurel Hill
Sully Station II
Hollin Hills
Annandale
Rutherford

Division 16
Lake Braddock
Newington Forest
Pleasant Valley
Herndon
North Springfield
Ilda Community

Division 17
Village West
Long Branch
Broyhill Crest
Springfield
Edsall Park
Pinewood Lake

[Anonymous]

D1-3 looks good to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With two teams tying for first place in Division 2 (Langley and Crosspointe), what do people think will happen? I think one of the following options is most likely:
1. OKM stays in D1
2. Kent Gardens skips 2 and goes up to 1.

What does everyone else think?

All 17 divisions reseeded ./././

Division 1
Tuckahoe
Chesterbrook
Overlee
Donaldson Run
Highlands Swim
Old Keene Mill

Division 2
Crosspointe
Langley
Oakton
High Point Pool
Hunt Valley
Kent Gardens

Division 3
McLean
Wakefield Chapel
Fair Oaks
Mantua
Little Rocky Run
Little Hunting Park

Division 4
Hamlet
Vienna Woods
Orange Hunt
Hiddenbrook
Pinecrest
Sleepy Hollow Rec

Division 5
Cardinal Hill
Virginia Hills
Virginia Run
Fairfax
Springboard
Rolling Hills

Division 6
Vienna Aquatic
Lee Graham
Poplar Heights
Parklawn
Ravensworth Farm
Fox Hunt

Division 7
South Run
Sleepy Hollow B & R
Canterbury Woods
Waynewood
Cottontail
Lakeview

Division 8
Fairfax Station
Hunter Mill
Dunn Loring
Dominion Hills
Mount Vernon Park
Dowden Terrace

Division 9
Camelot
Arlington Forest
Forest Hollow
Hollin Meadows
Kings Ridge
Greenbriar

Division 10
Lakevale Estates
Sully Station
Villa Aquatic
Mansion House
Country Club Hills
Highland Park

Division 11
Walden Glen
Truro
Daventry
Mosby Woods
Shouse Village
Rolling Valley

Division 12
Holmes Run Acres
Brookfield
Stratford
Poplar Tree
Great Falls
Sideburn Run

Division 13
Fairfax Club Estates
Riverside Gardens
Fox Mill Woods
Commonwealth
Hayfield Farm
Parliament

Division 14
Rolling Forest
Woodley
Somerset-Olde Creek
Lincolnia Park
Burke Station
Fox Mill Estates

Division 15
Brandywine
Laurel Hill
Sully Station II
Hollin Hills
Annandale
Rutherford

Division 16
Lake Braddock
Newington Forest
Pleasant Valley
Herndon
North Springfield
Ilda Community

Division 17
Village West
Long Branch
Broyhill Crest
Springfield
Edsall Park
Pinewood Lake

What’s your over-under?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With two teams tying for first place in Division 2 (Langley and Crosspointe), what do people think will happen? I think one of the following options is most likely:
1. OKM stays in D1
2. Kent Gardens skips 2 and goes up to 1.

What does everyone else think?

All 17 divisions reseeded ./././

Division 1
Tuckahoe
Chesterbrook
Overlee
Donaldson Run
Highlands Swim
Old Keene Mill

Division 2
Crosspointe
Langley
Oakton
High Point Pool
Hunt Valley
Kent Gardens

Division 3
McLean
Wakefield Chapel
Fair Oaks
Mantua
Little Rocky Run
Little Hunting Park

Division 4
Hamlet
Vienna Woods
Orange Hunt
Hiddenbrook
Pinecrest
Sleepy Hollow Rec

Division 5
Cardinal Hill
Virginia Hills
Virginia Run
Fairfax
Springboard
Rolling Hills

Division 6
Vienna Aquatic
Lee Graham
Poplar Heights
Parklawn
Ravensworth Farm
Fox Hunt

Division 7
South Run
Sleepy Hollow B & R
Canterbury Woods
Waynewood
Cottontail
Lakeview

Division 8
Fairfax Station
Hunter Mill
Dunn Loring
Dominion Hills
Mount Vernon Park
Dowden Terrace

Division 9
Camelot
Arlington Forest
Forest Hollow
Hollin Meadows
Kings Ridge
Greenbriar

Division 10
Lakevale Estates
Sully Station
Villa Aquatic
Mansion House
Country Club Hills
Highland Park

Division 11
Walden Glen
Truro
Daventry
Mosby Woods
Shouse Village
Rolling Valley

Division 12
Holmes Run Acres
Brookfield
Stratford
Poplar Tree
Great Falls
Sideburn Run

Division 13
Fairfax Club Estates
Riverside Gardens
Fox Mill Woods
Commonwealth
Hayfield Farm
Parliament

Division 14
Rolling Forest
Woodley
Somerset-Olde Creek
Lincolnia Park
Burke Station
Fox Mill Estates

Division 15
Brandywine
Laurel Hill
Sully Station II
Hollin Hills
Annandale
Rutherford

Division 16
Lake Braddock
Newington Forest
Pleasant Valley
Herndon
North Springfield
Ilda Community

Division 17
Village West
Long Branch
Broyhill Crest
Springfield
Edsall Park
Pinewood Lake

What’s your over-under?

102.5 are correct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids swim for a division 11 pool, and I’m hoping all the division 11 teams stay in that division. All the meets have been relatively close, all the other teams have been good sports, my fellow timers have been friendly, the pools we have gone to have been nice. I hear all these issues in other divisions and I just want to keep our entire division.

My kids are on a D11 pool team also, and it has been a lovely season. Also none of the teams, are very far from one another, which is really nice early on a Saturday morning.

Division 11 family here -- these kids killed it today! Incredible # of D11 kids going to All Stars, 4 of the 8under boys fly crew slots went to D11 kids?

[Anonymous]

Looks like the board had the 2025 reseeding pretty well figured out a while ago..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looks like the board had the 2025 reseeding pretty well figured out a while ago..

huh?

The seeding predictions was not from the board and a lot of it was incorrect. You can always make educated guesses from year to year on how things will fall based on how teams finished in their division.