NATO Summit in DC this week

[Anonymous]

In the debate, Trump dodged the question about whether he'd pull the US out of NATO. Refused to answer it.

In the past, the excuse used to be that he was trying to get NATO members to pay their share - but that's not true or if it were, he was lousy at accomplishing that.

At the end of Trump's term, only 10 member states were putting the target 2% GDP into NATO-aligned defense. But now, under Biden, 23 member states are. Biden was clearly more successful at getting member states to pony up.

Trump was unserious about it and to this day can't give a straight answer about pulling out of NATO even though a majority of the member states are meeting their commitment and Trump no longer has that excuse.

Trump is a disgrace who would only enable Putin to "do whatever the hell he wants." World leaders should be very very concerned about another Trump term.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

So many lies in this post.

Obama started the path for NATO countries to expand their military budgets to a minimum of their national budget, not Trump.
Trump implies there is some sort of NATO bank that money "pours" into. That isn't how it works.
Yes, other presidents did something about those "delinquiencies" including his predecessor.
The Secretary General never made any such statement and has publicly said so.
The US is not paying the most money to support Ukraine.
Biden didn't need to ask, because the other countries ARE paying more and giving more in arms and other support.

Since the war began, the U.S. Congress has voted through five bills that have provided Ukraine with ongoing aid, doing so most recently in April 2024. The total budget authority under these bills—the “headline” figure often cited by news media—is $175 billion.

pp, you claimed Trump was telling “so many lies,” and then claimed the United States is not paying to most money to support Ukraine.

All available data shows we are paying Ukraine the most money.

Trump is correct and you are lying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So many lies in this post.

Obama started the path for NATO countries to expand their military budgets to a minimum of their national budget, not Trump.
Trump implies there is some sort of NATO bank that money "pours" into. That isn't how it works.
Yes, other presidents did something about those "delinquiencies" including his predecessor.
The Secretary General never made any such statement and has publicly said so.
The US is not paying the most money to support Ukraine.
Biden didn't need to ask, because the other countries ARE paying more and giving more in arms and other support.

Since the war began, the U.S. Congress has voted through five bills that have provided Ukraine with ongoing aid, doing so most recently in April 2024. The total budget authority under these bills—the “headline” figure often cited by news media—is $175 billion.

pp, you claimed Trump was telling “so many lies,” and then claimed the United States is not paying to most money to support Ukraine.

All available data shows we are paying Ukraine the most money.

Trump is correct and you are lying.

That it was tied to GDP was not Obama's doing or Biden's doing. Trump CLAIMED he wanted to get other countries to pay more yet he completely failed at that. By the end of his term only 10 countries were meeting the goal 2% GDP. That more than doubled under Biden.

Trump's real aim is to withdraw from NATO. Complaining about other countries not paying in was only his excuse for doing so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So many lies in this post.

Obama started the path for NATO countries to expand their military budgets to a minimum of their national budget, not Trump.
Trump implies there is some sort of NATO bank that money "pours" into. That isn't how it works.
Yes, other presidents did something about those "delinquiencies" including his predecessor.
The Secretary General never made any such statement and has publicly said so.
The US is not paying the most money to support Ukraine.
Biden didn't need to ask, because the other countries ARE paying more and giving more in arms and other support.

Since the war began, the U.S. Congress has voted through five bills that have provided Ukraine with ongoing aid, doing so most recently in April 2024. The total budget authority under these bills—the “headline” figure often cited by news media—is $175 billion.

pp, you claimed Trump was telling “so many lies,” and then claimed the United States is not paying to most money to support Ukraine.

All available data shows we are paying Ukraine the most money.

Trump is correct and you are lying.

That it was tied to GDP was not Obama's doing or Biden's doing. Trump CLAIMED he wanted to get other countries to pay more yet he completely failed at that. By the end of his term only 10 countries were meeting the goal 2% GDP. That more than doubled under Biden.

Trump's real aim is to withdraw from NATO. Complaining about other countries not paying in was only his excuse for doing so.

Trump's only complaint sprung from the fact that he thought that money was to be paid to the US, because he's an idiot who sees everything as 100% transactional. See tariffs-China.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
What exactly does Zelensky want to win his war and be done with the slaughter?

Or is the entire NATO goal to drag it out as long as they can to move towards the WEF depopulation agenda?

Big Z just asked for 128 F-16s, so at least that.

The NATO goal was originally stated as "diminishing Russian capabilities on the cheap." Its no longer cheap, and Russian capabilities are actually growing. So either they just can't admit they screwed up, or they do have something more sinister in mind.

It actually has been relatively cheap. Most of what we've given Ukraine is just old gear from the 1990s and earlier, F-16s included. The "billions" are largely a bookkeeping exercise for the assets that we already paid for decades ago.

[Anonymous]

You can fund Ukraine or we can send US troops in. Pick one.

Anyone who thinks Putin will stop at Kyiv is being willfully ignorant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can fund Ukraine or we can send US troops in. Pick one.

Anyone who thinks Putin will stop at Kyiv is being willfully ignorant.

We can save a while bunch of money by defending India, whose president has just aligned with Putin. Split that money and spend half on the US, send the other half to Ukraine.

[Anonymous]

Wonder how many NATO officials in town will get carjacked during the summit ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
What exactly does Zelensky want to win his war and be done with the slaughter?

Or is the entire NATO goal to drag it out as long as they can to move towards the WEF depopulation agenda?

Big Z just asked for 128 F-16s, so at least that.

The NATO goal was originally stated as "diminishing Russian capabilities on the cheap." Its no longer cheap, and Russian capabilities are actually growing. So either they just can't admit they screwed up, or they do have something more sinister in mind.

It actually has been relatively cheap. Most of what we've given Ukraine is just old gear from the 1990s and earlier, F-16s included. The "billions" are largely a bookkeeping exercise for the assets that we already paid for decades ago.

This is a fact:

- M-113 armored personnel carriers? We have donated hundreds of these Vietnam-era vehicles to Ukraine; we routinely DUMP M-113s into the ocean to form artificial corral reefs; other M-113s are used as artillery targets; they have been obsolete for decades. Google it.

- Hawk guided missiles? They were used as Florida costal defense during: The Cuban Missile Crisis. Long obsolete. Ukraine is putting them to good use. It’s cheaper to donate them than to scrap them.

Ukraine is effectively using our obsolete junk to defend itself from Russia (which is also fighting largely with leftover Cold War weapons).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In the debate, Trump dodged the question about whether he'd pull the US out of NATO. Refused to answer it.

In the past, the excuse used to be that he was trying to get NATO members to pay their share - but that's not true or if it were, he was lousy at accomplishing that.

At the end of Trump's term, only 10 member states were putting the target 2% GDP into NATO-aligned defense. But now, under Biden, 23 member states are. Biden was clearly more successful at getting member states to pony up.

Trump was unserious about it and to this day can't give a straight answer about pulling out of NATO even though a majority of the member states are meeting their commitment and Trump no longer has that excuse.

Trump is a disgrace who would only enable Putin to "do whatever the hell he wants." World leaders should be very very concerned about another Trump term.

Trump wants to shut NATO down and doesn't care if Putin keeps invading.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:European here. You don't get it. NATO leaders arrived full of trepidation that he was going to wander like at the G7 summit, or be totally lost and confused like at the debate. So they were relieved when he was able to *read* through a speech and not trip on stage (he did that once).

But it won't be enough to get him elected.

Our complicit media had caused irreparable damage to the office of our president and our nation overall by covering for Biden.

Democrats aren’t even ashamed they are supporting a man who needs to be in a nursing home, or living quietly at home with his family. They want him to be in charge for 4 more years.

Oh hon don’t come here spouting about the shame in supporting one candidate when the other candidate is a g. d. felon who is completely unsuited to the job of being president. It is entirely shameful that this nation might return such an unethical dangerous anti-democratic ignoramus to the Oval Office. Shame shame shame on all who would vote for the rapist who plans to do to our democracy what he’s done to dozens of women.

He's a "felon". Okay. If you actually think that he defrauded a bank-- a bank that testified that they were in no way harmed-- then okay.

He’s also stiffed many small businesses- fact.
He’s also a declared rapist - fact
He also wrongly took and refused many requests over months to return them, keeping them in a bathroom - fact
He also refused to participate in the peaceful transition of power - fact
He also ran several of his own businesses to the ground and was held responsible for a fraudulent “university” - fact
He also cheated on all three of his wives - fact
He also has promised to get revenge on his perceived enemies if re-elected - fact

This is your idea of a suitable person to run our nation? Disgusting.

He didn't leave the Taliban billions in weaponry.
He didn't give Iran tens of billions to use against us and Israel.
He didn't flood us with ten million illegal aliens that CANNOT be vetted because there are no records to check them against.
He didn't attack petroleum drilling, exploration and refinement driving up the cost of gasoline globally and enriching Russia.

He has COMMON SENSE and doesn't try to sabotage U.S. sovereignty, something democrats completely lack.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:European here. You don't get it. NATO leaders arrived full of trepidation that he was going to wander like at the G7 summit, or be totally lost and confused like at the debate. So they were relieved when he was able to *read* through a speech and not trip on stage (he did that once).

But it won't be enough to get him elected.

Our complicit media had caused irreparable damage to the office of our president and our nation overall by covering for Biden.

Democrats aren’t even ashamed they are supporting a man who needs to be in a nursing home, or living quietly at home with his family. They want him to be in charge for 4 more years.

Oh hon don’t come here spouting about the shame in supporting one candidate when the other candidate is a g. d. felon who is completely unsuited to the job of being president. It is entirely shameful that this nation might return such an unethical dangerous anti-democratic ignoramus to the Oval Office. Shame shame shame on all who would vote for the rapist who plans to do to our democracy what he’s done to dozens of women.

He's a "felon". Okay. If you actually think that he defrauded a bank-- a bank that testified that they were in no way harmed-- then okay.

He’s also stiffed many small businesses- fact.
He’s also a declared rapist - fact
He also wrongly took and refused many requests over months to return them, keeping them in a bathroom - fact
He also refused to participate in the peaceful transition of power - fact
He also ran several of his own businesses to the ground and was held responsible for a fraudulent “university” - fact
He also cheated on all three of his wives - fact
He also has promised to get revenge on his perceived enemies if re-elected - fact

This is your idea of a suitable person to run our nation? Disgusting.

He didn't leave the Taliban billions in weaponry. Neither did Biden, the weapons had already been pulled out
He didn't give Iran tens of billions to use against us and Israel.Having Iran "in the tent" is better than out. Ask Israel right now how I know.
He didn't flood us with ten million illegal aliens that CANNOT be vetted because there are no records to check them against. He opposed the bi-partisan bill that would have helped fix the problem, he owns it now
He didn't attack petroleum drilling, exploration and refinement driving up the cost of gasoline globally and enriching Russia.US domestic oil production is at all time highs, what are you even bleating about?

He has COMMON SENSE and doesn't try to sabotage U.S. sovereignty, something democrats completely lack.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:European here. You don't get it. NATO leaders arrived full of trepidation that he was going to wander like at the G7 summit, or be totally lost and confused like at the debate. So they were relieved when he was able to *read* through a speech and not trip on stage (he did that once).

But it won't be enough to get him elected.

Our complicit media had caused irreparable damage to the office of our president and our nation overall by covering for Biden.

Democrats aren’t even ashamed they are supporting a man who needs to be in a nursing home, or living quietly at home with his family. They want him to be in charge for 4 more years.

Oh hon don’t come here spouting about the shame in supporting one candidate when the other candidate is a g. d. felon who is completely unsuited to the job of being president. It is entirely shameful that this nation might return such an unethical dangerous anti-democratic ignoramus to the Oval Office. Shame shame shame on all who would vote for the rapist who plans to do to our democracy what he’s done to dozens of women.

He's a "felon". Okay. If you actually think that he defrauded a bank-- a bank that testified that they were in no way harmed-- then okay.

He’s also stiffed many small businesses- fact.
He’s also a declared rapist - fact
He also wrongly took and refused many requests over months to return them, keeping them in a bathroom - fact
He also refused to participate in the peaceful transition of power - fact
He also ran several of his own businesses to the ground and was held responsible for a fraudulent “university” - fact
He also cheated on all three of his wives - fact
He also has promised to get revenge on his perceived enemies if re-elected - fact

This is your idea of a suitable person to run our nation? Disgusting.

He didn't leave the Taliban billions in weaponry.
He didn't give Iran tens of billions to use against us and Israel.
He didn't flood us with ten million illegal aliens that CANNOT be vetted because there are no records to check them against.
He didn't attack petroleum drilling, exploration and refinement driving up the cost of gasoline globally and enriching Russia.

He has COMMON SENSE and doesn't try to sabotage U.S. sovereignty, something democrats completely lack.

NO ONE in their right mind thinks trumpy has common sense. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:European here. You don't get it. NATO leaders arrived full of trepidation that he was going to wander like at the G7 summit, or be totally lost and confused like at the debate. So they were relieved when he was able to *read* through a speech and not trip on stage (he did that once).

But it won't be enough to get him elected.

Our complicit media had caused irreparable damage to the office of our president and our nation overall by covering for Biden.

Democrats aren’t even ashamed they are supporting a man who needs to be in a nursing home, or living quietly at home with his family. They want him to be in charge for 4 more years.

Oh hon don’t come here spouting about the shame in supporting one candidate when the other candidate is a g. d. felon who is completely unsuited to the job of being president. It is entirely shameful that this nation might return such an unethical dangerous anti-democratic ignoramus to the Oval Office. Shame shame shame on all who would vote for the rapist who plans to do to our democracy what he’s done to dozens of women.

He's a "felon". Okay. If you actually think that he defrauded a bank-- a bank that testified that they were in no way harmed-- then okay.

He’s also stiffed many small businesses- fact.
He’s also a declared rapist - fact
He also wrongly took and refused many requests over months to return them, keeping them in a bathroom - fact
He also refused to participate in the peaceful transition of power - fact
He also ran several of his own businesses to the ground and was held responsible for a fraudulent “university” - fact
He also cheated on all three of his wives - fact
He also has promised to get revenge on his perceived enemies if re-elected - fact

This is your idea of a suitable person to run our nation? Disgusting.

He didn't leave the Taliban billions in weaponry. Neither did Biden, the weapons had already been pulled out
He didn't give Iran tens of billions to use against us and Israel.Having Iran "in the tent" is better than out. Ask Israel right now how I know.
He didn't flood us with ten million illegal aliens that CANNOT be vetted because there are no records to check them against. He opposed the bi-partisan bill that would have helped fix the problem, he owns it now
He didn't attack petroleum drilling, exploration and refinement driving up the cost of gasoline globally and enriching Russia.US domestic oil production is at all time highs, what are you even bleating about?

He has COMMON SENSE and doesn't try to sabotage U.S. sovereignty, something democrats completely lack.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can fund Ukraine or we can send US troops in. Pick one.

Anyone who thinks Putin will stop at Kyiv is being willfully ignorant.

How many Ukrainians is Russia killing a day, on average?