WOW, if there is height/athleticism in your family, have your kid play football

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Much better odds for ice hockey and lacrosse players: https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2015/3/2/estimated-probability-of-competing-in-college-athletics.aspx

But you're not going to learn lacrosse overnight. The thing with these football players is that they barely even play football. They started in 9th grade (if that). The Ivy lacrosse recruits have put in a decade of travel lacrosse. That is a LOT of tournaments and a lot of money.

Most Ivy League football recruits have also played the sport for years. It’s only the freakishly large kids who are taken with little to no experience. Not many of us have 6’5 kids weighing over 250 lbs.

Not true. Most kids start football in 9th grade.

Not the ones who go on to play D1 football.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Much better odds for ice hockey and lacrosse players: https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2015/3/2/estimated-probability-of-competing-in-college-athletics.aspx

But you're not going to learn lacrosse overnight. The thing with these football players is that they barely even play football. They started in 9th grade (if that). The Ivy lacrosse recruits have put in a decade of travel lacrosse. That is a LOT of tournaments and a lot of money.

Most Ivy League football recruits have also played the sport for years. It’s only the freakishly large kids who are taken with little to no experience. Not many of us have 6’5 kids weighing over 250 lbs.

Not true. Most kids start football in 9th grade.

Not the ones who go on to play D1 football.

we'll have to agree to disagree. I know quite a few who picked it up in 9th grade. They are super athletic, big/tall kids.

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Anonymous wrote:It's such a gross system. 3.5 is frankly terrible for the ivies, but, because some kid spent more time tackling and catching a ball, they will surpass all the kids hard working academic students who might add much more to the campus community. Recruitment makes me sick. Does any other nation allow some of its brightest students to be surpassed by athletes? Last I checked, Oxford doesn't need sports recruits to keep its global prestige, why do top colleges?

What makes you think that athletes don't contribute to the community? Students and alumni love those football games.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Much better odds for ice hockey and lacrosse players: https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2015/3/2/estimated-probability-of-competing-in-college-athletics.aspx

But you're not going to learn lacrosse overnight. The thing with these football players is that they barely even play football. They started in 9th grade (if that). The Ivy lacrosse recruits have put in a decade of travel lacrosse. That is a LOT of tournaments and a lot of money.

Most Ivy League football recruits have also played the sport for years. It’s only the freakishly large kids who are taken with little to no experience. Not many of us have 6’5 kids weighing over 250 lbs.

Not true. Most kids start football in 9th grade.

Not the ones who go on to play D1 football.

Ivy football is D1NO...D1 in name only.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's such a gross system. 3.5 is frankly terrible for the ivies, but, because some kid spent more time tackling and catching a ball, they will surpass all the kids hard working academic students who might add much more to the campus community. Recruitment makes me sick. Does any other nation allow some of its brightest students to be surpassed by athletes? Last I checked, Oxford doesn't need sports recruits to keep its global prestige, why do top colleges?

What makes you think that athletes don't contribute to the community? Students and alumni love those football games.

Okay...and that means they should get admissions boosts over other students because...

[Anonymous]

The Ivy League is an athletic conference.

No one ever said Ivy League is only for the freakishly smart and bookish teacher pleasers. That was conjured by parents.

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Anonymous wrote:The Ivy League is an athletic conference.

No one ever said Ivy League is only for the freakishly smart and bookish teacher pleasers. That was conjured by parents.

...and the Ivy League's branding as the most intellectual and important American universities. Actually, hell remove all the fluff, THESE ARE UNIVERSITIES!

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Anonymous wrote:Much better odds for ice hockey and lacrosse players: https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2015/3/2/estimated-probability-of-competing-in-college-athletics.aspx

But you're not going to learn lacrosse overnight. The thing with these football players is that they barely even play football. They started in 9th grade (if that). The Ivy lacrosse recruits have put in a decade of travel lacrosse. That is a LOT of tournaments and a lot of money.

Most Ivy League football recruits have also played the sport for years. It’s only the freakishly large kids who are taken with little to no experience. Not many of us have 6’5 kids weighing over 250 lbs.

Not true. Most kids start football in 9th grade.

Not the ones who go on to play D1 football.

we'll have to agree to disagree. I know quite a few who picked it up in 9th grade. They are super athletic, big/tall kids.

Again, maybe the kids who play on the line, the skill position players in power 5 conferences, which includes the ACC, are not picking up football for the first time as high school freshman.

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It’s not as easy as you’re making it out to be for a kid to get recruited to an ivy fb team(or most any sport for that matter) much less the p5 schools you mentioned, Duke, Uva, BC. I think you are underestimating &/or not appreciating & understanding the dedication & athletic ability & potential it takes to be recruited at that level.

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Anonymous wrote:My son goes to a top academic private school that also has a football team.
He has friends (from this school and an almost identical one) who have football offers from Duke, UVA, Cornell, Columbia, Yale, Harvard, Boston College (these are all different kids and some have multiple offers, not listed). They are mostly white.
They're smart enough---GPAs around 3.5---or middle-of-the-pack for the grade--- and they play football well enough (nothing spectacular or all-state but they're tall and athletic).
However, the elite universities are THRILLED to take these kids because they can do the academic work and fill a spot on their football roster.
The kids are literally choosing their colleges.

Meanwhile the academic kids in the grade are killing themselves to get a 3.9 for some chance at getting into a top school on grades, scores, extracurriculars.

Moral of the story: if you have height and athleticism in your family--have your kid play football. Better yet: have them attend an elite private too. They'll walk into an Ivy and won't have to sweat out the grades.

No brainer here. I would rather pick a well rounded athletic and smart kid than a geek for sure!

That is really concerning. Anti-intellectualism once again making its round on DCUM

Intellectualism hasn’t really worked for the world so far.

[Anonymous]

I have one word for you: CTE

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/chronic-traumatic-encephalopathy/symptoms-causes/syc-20370921

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Much better odds for ice hockey and lacrosse players: https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2015/3/2/estimated-probability-of-competing-in-college-athletics.aspx

But you're not going to learn lacrosse overnight. The thing with these football players is that they barely even play football. They started in 9th grade (if that). The Ivy lacrosse recruits have put in a decade of travel lacrosse. That is a LOT of tournaments and a lot of money.

The one Ivy lacrosse recruit I knew personally started playing in 9th grade (maybe 8th). Good athlete but not spectacular. Very, very smart.

Must have been a long time ago, now that most of the men’s Ivy lacrosse teams are ranked in the T25, that doesn’t happen.

<10 years ago

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son goes to a top academic private school that also has a football team.
He has friends (from this school and an almost identical one) who have football offers from Duke, UVA, Cornell, Columbia, Yale, Harvard, Boston College (these are all different kids and some have multiple offers, not listed). They are mostly white.
They're smart enough---GPAs around 3.5---or middle-of-the-pack for the grade--- and they play football well enough (nothing spectacular or all-state but they're tall and athletic).
However, the elite universities are THRILLED to take these kids because they can do the academic work and fill a spot on their football roster.
The kids are literally choosing their colleges.

Meanwhile the academic kids in the grade are killing themselves to get a 3.9 for some chance at getting into a top school on grades, scores, extracurriculars.

Moral of the story: if you have height and athleticism in your family--have your kid play football. Better yet: have them attend an elite private too. They'll walk into an Ivy and won't have to sweat out the grades.

No brainer here. I would rather pick a well rounded athletic and smart kid than a geek for sure!

That is really concerning. Anti-intellectualism once again making its round on DCUM

Intellectualism hasn’t really worked for the world so far.

New poster here. Intellectual, knowledgeable, and ethical people are the only group preventing global war, but you're too stupid to comprehend their incremental and behind-the-scenes efforts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Much better odds for ice hockey and lacrosse players: https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2015/3/2/estimated-probability-of-competing-in-college-athletics.aspx

But you're not going to learn lacrosse overnight. The thing with these football players is that they barely even play football. They started in 9th grade (if that). The Ivy lacrosse recruits have put in a decade of travel lacrosse. That is a LOT of tournaments and a lot of money.

The one Ivy lacrosse recruit I knew personally started playing in 9th grade (maybe 8th). Good athlete but not spectacular. Very, very smart.

Must have been a long time ago, now that most of the men’s Ivy lacrosse teams are ranked in the T25, that doesn’t happen.

Agreed. The Ivy lacrosse recruits I know (from a prep school so I know about a half dozen over 2 years) all played for at least a decade and on top clubs. They did not pick up lacrosse in 9th grade.

You're confusing correlation with causation. Lacrosse is a high-athletic, low-to-medium-skill sport. It's much easier to pick up in 9th and be a star by 11th than something like baseball, tennis, or soccer (although somewhat harder than football).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Much better odds for ice hockey and lacrosse players: https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2015/3/2/estimated-probability-of-competing-in-college-athletics.aspx

But you're not going to learn lacrosse overnight. The thing with these football players is that they barely even play football. They started in 9th grade (if that). The Ivy lacrosse recruits have put in a decade of travel lacrosse. That is a LOT of tournaments and a lot of money.

The one Ivy lacrosse recruit I knew personally started playing in 9th grade (maybe 8th). Good athlete but not spectacular. Very, very smart.

Must have been a long time ago, now that most of the men’s Ivy lacrosse teams are ranked in the T25, that doesn’t happen.

Agreed. The Ivy lacrosse recruits I know (from a prep school so I know about a half dozen over 2 years) all played for at least a decade and on top clubs. They did not pick up lacrosse in 9th grade.

You're confusing correlation with causation. Lacrosse is a high-athletic, low-to-medium-skill sport. It's much easier to pick up in 9th and be a star by 11th than something like baseball, tennis, or soccer (although somewhat harder than football).

If you say so! I don't pretend to know the broader lacrosse world. The kids I know in the DMV who have been recruited to Ivy schools (6+) all played since childhood.