Jobs as EC that get unhooked into T10

[Anonymous]

My kid traded stocks for four years and made a mint. In his essay, he poked fun at people who actually work for a living, and said he wanted to be a Wall Street titan. Got into Harvard. See how it all fits together!?

[Anonymous]

It isn’t a strategy in our house, OP. My DC works really hard during the school year and the last thing they want to do is go to a 3 or 4 week academic program at a college. Frankly, I don’t want to spend $3-6k to send them there. I would rather they work a normal, minimum wage job and hang out with their friends when not at work. Didn’t you do this as a teen?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Read through a few posts here, many mentioned jobs as EC. Where did you apply for these jobs that get an unhooked applicant into T10? A job may be broadly interpreted as including an internship. Believe these jobs have to tie with your theme of passion or interest to make it work. So, if your unhooked students get into T10, please share how they get these jobs. Thanks.

I have kids in college now. I was a big proponent of jobs. But I've become skeptical about how effective jobs are-they make for good essays and maybe interviews. But honestly and (sadly) the one thing that I have seen repeatedly help big time is research published in even so called paid/student journals, a name sneaked in a journal paper obviously with the help of parent connections. I've seen kids with not much else get into Stanford and Caltech.

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Anonymous wrote:Read through a few posts here, many mentioned jobs as EC. Where did you apply for these jobs that get an unhooked applicant into T10? A job may be broadly interpreted as including an internship. Believe these jobs have to tie with your theme of passion or interest to make it work. So, if your unhooked students get into T10, please share how they get these jobs. Thanks.

I have kids in college now. I was a big proponent of jobs. But I've become skeptical about how effective jobs are-they make for good essays and maybe interviews. But honestly and (sadly) the one thing that I have seen repeatedly help big time is research published in even so called paid/student journals, a name sneaked in a journal paper obviously with the help of parent connections. I've seen kids with not much else get into Stanford and Caltech.

+2 Harvard too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DD graduated from an EC math program and started working as a math instructor there when she turned 14. Her essay was about her job, and the center director who had observed her since the age of 7 wrote a recommendation letter. Accepted by a T10, CS and math majors, no hooks.

And so natural and authentic. Makes sense if you are an AO too.

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Anonymous wrote:Read through a few posts here, many mentioned jobs as EC. Where did you apply for these jobs that get an unhooked applicant into T10? A job may be broadly interpreted as including an internship. Believe these jobs have to tie with your theme of passion or interest to make it work. So, if your unhooked students get into T10, please share how they get these jobs. Thanks.

I have kids in college now. I was a big proponent of jobs. But I've become skeptical about how effective jobs are-they make for good essays and maybe interviews. But honestly and (sadly) the one thing that I have seen repeatedly help big time is research published in even so called paid/student journals, a name sneaked in a journal paper obviously with the help of parent connections. I've seen kids with not much else get into Stanford and Caltech.

This is big business for college professors …there’s usually a payment involved facilitated by a college counselor - for sneaking kid’s name onto “research” that is published.

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Anonymous wrote:Read through a few posts here, many mentioned jobs as EC. Where did you apply for these jobs that get an unhooked applicant into T10? A job may be broadly interpreted as including an internship. Believe these jobs have to tie with your theme of passion or interest to make it work. So, if your unhooked students get into T10, please share how they get these jobs. Thanks.

I have kids in college now. I was a big proponent of jobs. But I've become skeptical about how effective jobs are-they make for good essays and maybe interviews. But honestly and (sadly) the one thing that I have seen repeatedly help big time is research published in even so called paid/student journals, a name sneaked in a journal paper obviously with the help of parent connections. I've seen kids with not much else get into Stanford and Caltech.

This is big business for college professors …there’s usually a payment involved facilitated by a college counselor - for sneaking kid’s name onto “research” that is published.

+3 AOs LOVE seeing published research from 12th grade students. At our private, these are the kids getting in Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Dartmouth, Columbia, etc. I have chatted with parents of these kids and the research is usually with a person they have a connection to or through one of the paid programs that are all over the internet. It is impressive when the kid has their name on an article with someone at the NIH or a university. AOs still like the non-profits kids (parents) create. I know people think this trend has passed, but I have seen it work (kids going to Princeton and Stanford) in the last year.

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Anonymous wrote:Jobs are the new "volunteer in Africa". That worked for a while when it is new. AO's got wised up. Needed something else. Now jobs it is to show lack of privilege. You take your $1200 iphone and $300 ipods and $200 sneakers to do a job, thereby showing your humble down to earth, lack of privilege, etc.

Give it a couple of years, AO's would wise up to this. Then to something else.

They are not. Teenagers have been getting summer jobs forever. It was the most normal thing in the world before all the pre-college, academic camp, internship hysteria hit. Nobody gets into a top college because they had a job busing tables. But they do grow up, Manage responsibility, deal with all kinds of people etc and these are all important things to be able to do if you expect to be successful in a profession someday. Colleges aren’t giving medals for kids having grungy summer jobs, they want future graduates who will be leaders and make the school look good.

+1 Your kid shouldn't have a summer job to get into a T10. They should get a summer job because it is good for their personal development, wherever they end up.

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Anonymous wrote:Read through a few posts here, many mentioned jobs as EC. Where did you apply for these jobs that get an unhooked applicant into T10? A job may be broadly interpreted as including an internship. Believe these jobs have to tie with your theme of passion or interest to make it work. So, if your unhooked students get into T10, please share how they get these jobs. Thanks.

I have kids in college now. I was a big proponent of jobs. But I've become skeptical about how effective jobs are-they make for good essays and maybe interviews. But honestly and (sadly) the one thing that I have seen repeatedly help big time is research published in even so called paid/student journals, a name sneaked in a journal paper obviously with the help of parent connections. I've seen kids with not much else get into Stanford and Caltech.

This is big business for college professors …there’s usually a payment involved facilitated by a college counselor - for sneaking kid’s name onto “research” that is published.

+3 AOs LOVE seeing published research from 12th grade students. At our private, these are the kids getting in Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Dartmouth, Columbia, etc. I have chatted with parents of these kids and the research is usually with a person they have a connection to or through one of the paid programs that are all over the internet. It is impressive when the kid has their name on an article with someone at the NIH or a university. AOs still like the non-profits kids (parents) create. I know people think this trend has passed, but I have seen it work (kids going to Princeton and Stanford) in the last year.

Yes, it still works but better from a public school student. Private HS students are better off w/jobs to check their privilege.

Read am entire app with the privilege in mind…. You’ll see what needs to change.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Read through a few posts here, many mentioned jobs as EC. Where did you apply for these jobs that get an unhooked applicant into T10? A job may be broadly interpreted as including an internship. Believe these jobs have to tie with your theme of passion or interest to make it work. So, if your unhooked students get into T10, please share how they get these jobs. Thanks.

I have kids in college now. I was a big proponent of jobs. But I've become skeptical about how effective jobs are-they make for good essays and maybe interviews. But honestly and (sadly) the one thing that I have seen repeatedly help big time is research published in even so called paid/student journals, a name sneaked in a journal paper obviously with the help of parent connections. I've seen kids with not much else get into Stanford and Caltech.

This is big business for college professors …there’s usually a payment involved facilitated by a college counselor - for sneaking kid’s name onto “research” that is published.

How much is the $$??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jobs are the new "volunteer in Africa". That worked for a while when it is new. AO's got wised up. Needed something else. Now jobs it is to show lack of privilege. You take your $1200 iphone and $300 ipods and $200 sneakers to do a job, thereby showing your humble down to earth, lack of privilege, etc.

Give it a couple of years, AO's would wise up to this. Then to something else.

They are not. Teenagers have been getting summer jobs forever. It was the most normal thing in the world before all the pre-college, academic camp, internship hysteria hit. Nobody gets into a top college because they had a job busing tables. But they do grow up, Manage responsibility, deal with all kinds of people etc and these are all important things to be able to do if you expect to be successful in a profession someday. Colleges aren’t giving medals for kids having grungy summer jobs, they want future graduates who will be leaders and make the school look good.

+1 Your kid shouldn't have a summer job to get into a T10. They should get a summer job because it is good for their personal development, wherever they end up.

Since this is a forum for discussing college admission, people here focus on that purpose. Everyone understands that job is good for personal development.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Read through a few posts here, many mentioned jobs as EC. Where did you apply for these jobs that get an unhooked applicant into T10? A job may be broadly interpreted as including an internship. Believe these jobs have to tie with your theme of passion or interest to make it work. So, if your unhooked students get into T10, please share how they get these jobs. Thanks.

I have kids in college now. I was a big proponent of jobs. But I've become skeptical about how effective jobs are-they make for good essays and maybe interviews. But honestly and (sadly) the one thing that I have seen repeatedly help big time is research published in even so called paid/student journals, a name sneaked in a journal paper obviously with the help of parent connections. I've seen kids with not much else get into Stanford and Caltech.

This is big business for college professors …there’s usually a payment involved facilitated by a college counselor - for sneaking kid’s name onto “research” that is published.

+3 AOs LOVE seeing published research from 12th grade students. At our private, these are the kids getting in Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Dartmouth, Columbia, etc. I have chatted with parents of these kids and the research is usually with a person they have a connection to or through one of the paid programs that are all over the internet. It is impressive when the kid has their name on an article with someone at the NIH or a university. AOs still like the non-profits kids (parents) create. I know people think this trend has passed, but I have seen it work (kids going to Princeton and Stanford) in the last year.

Yes, it still works but better from a public school student. Private HS students are better off w/jobs to check their privilege.

Read am entire app with the privilege in mind…. You’ll see what needs to change.

Perhaps for HMSPY, privilege or checking off it becomes an issue.

For other schools, most likely it's not going to affect you one way or the other. They admit students who can pay full.

Also, for the publication scam, I think it works if you want to get in HMSPY. For other schools, it's nice to have but not necessary.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jobs are the new "volunteer in Africa". That worked for a while when it is new. AO's got wised up. Needed something else. Now jobs it is to show lack of privilege. You take your $1200 iphone and $300 ipods and $200 sneakers to do a job, thereby showing your humble down to earth, lack of privilege, etc.

Give it a couple of years, AO's would wise up to this. Then to something else.

They are not. Teenagers have been getting summer jobs forever. It was the most normal thing in the world before all the pre-college, academic camp, internship hysteria hit. Nobody gets into a top college because they had a job busing tables. But they do grow up, Manage responsibility, deal with all kinds of people etc and these are all important things to be able to do if you expect to be successful in a profession someday. Colleges aren’t giving medals for kids having grungy summer jobs, they want future graduates who will be leaders and make the school look good.

+1 Your kid shouldn't have a summer job to get into a T10. They should get a summer job because it is good for their personal development, wherever they end up.

Since this is a forum for discussing college admission, people here focus on that purpose. Everyone understands that job is good for personal development.

I don't know. I worked a at a fast food joint three years of high school. Got into HYPS. But the job didn't do much for me other than provide some pocket money and a few good weed hookups to spend it on. Not sure I want my kid in that environment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DD graduated from an EC math program and started working as a math instructor there when she turned 14. Her essay was about her job, and the center director who had observed her since the age of 7 wrote a recommendation letter. Accepted by a T10, CS and math majors, no hooks.

I doubt it that this "works" for her to get into T10. This is just naturally a part of the fabric of her life. People with that experience would also have other qualifications that matter much more. She would still get in if you take this job off the application.

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Anonymous wrote:Jobs are the new "volunteer in Africa". That worked for a while when it is new. AO's got wised up. Needed something else. Now jobs it is to show lack of privilege. You take your $1200 iphone and $300 ipods and $200 sneakers to do a job, thereby showing your humble down to earth, lack of privilege, etc.

Give it a couple of years, AO's would wise up to this. Then to something else.

They are not. Teenagers have been getting summer jobs forever. It was the most normal thing in the world before all the pre-college, academic camp, internship hysteria hit. Nobody gets into a top college because they had a job busing tables. But they do grow up, Manage responsibility, deal with all kinds of people etc and these are all important things to be able to do if you expect to be successful in a profession someday. Colleges aren’t giving medals for kids having grungy summer jobs, they want future graduates who will be leaders and make the school look good.

+1 Your kid shouldn't have a summer job to get into a T10. They should get a summer job because it is good for their personal development, wherever they end up.

Since this is a forum for discussing college admission, people here focus on that purpose. Everyone understands that job is good for personal development.

I don't know. I worked a at a fast food joint three years of high school. Got into HYPS. But the job didn't do much for me other than provide some pocket money and a few good weed hookups to spend it on. Not sure I want my kid in that environment.

Perhaps you need to read a few full applications today to understand how/why jobs can be helpful in selective college admissions.