Club Soccer

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? You still are nuts. There are athletes have made National teams with little to no training. TR e majority did not. Go ahead and move to Europe if your prince or princess is that amazing that American soccer sucks so much.

What sport is your tirade about?
The one where athletes make national teams with little or no training?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is wild. Families can do whatever they want. If there's a kid playing well and they want to see how they do by stepping up in competition and going club theres no problem with it. If a family doesn't want to go that route and do county there's no problem with that either. You people crying about club soccer teaches entitlement have no idea what you're tallying about. It's just a deferent route.

Back from commercial break.to recap: if you care about larger issues in sport…in America. We are currently not getting many of our top physical talents. Some, yes. But how to get more?

We get that your lawyer wages pay for your kid - and you seem fine (from a random post) with current system and go all laissez-faire. But ask yourself this classic ESPN question… how does a Lebron James pick soccer if it costs 20,000 a year? (Talking with travel to top showcases/tournaments. Maybe you don’t- but Larla’s place on EDP squad is not in jeopardy I assure you with this broader discussion (hence why other countries’ methods discussed).

Lebron James didn’t choose basketball because soccer cost too much. Basketball is more popular here. He grew up idolizing pro basketball players. If not basketball he would have played football. Or baseball. The top athletes in the US don’t aspire to be soccer players. They just don’t. The truly special athletes could excel at lots of different sports. Even if soccer were free they would still choose the popular ones.

$1 Million Dollars 💵 to your favorite charity or cause if you can prove top athletes in the USA don't aspire to be soccer players

What system identifies the top athletes in America at 5, 6, 7 years old and how can we see this database of evidence?

The evidence is to look at where they end up. Basketball and football are loaded with athletes with the best 40yd times, best vertical leap, etc at the pro, college, even high school levels. Go to any high school and see which sports the best athletes are playing. Hint: it’s not soccer. Mbappe, Salah, Haaland, Dembele are on par with the top US athletes in the NFL and NBA. If they grew up in the US they wouldn’t be playing soccer.

Not the PP, but nothing you said points to evidence in the least.

I can give my opinion not based on facts just like you.
Lineup the 5 fastest soccer players at Walter Johnson against the 5 fastest basketball players

Lineup the 5 slowest soccer players at Wooton vs the 5 slowest Football players

Your gibberish is garbage.
Basketball players end up playing basketball because that's their aim and desire.
Same for Football players.

All 25 soccer players on any professional team would beat many Basketball and Football professional players in an athletic contest requiring multiple skillsets.

But you'd have to actually understand the true meaning of athleticism and sport performance to know why.

Ok Mr. Evidence. Where is your evidence that the best US athletes are playing soccer? Your position doesn't pass the smell test.

Take a population of US kids in a neighborhood, a school district, a classroom, college. Doesn't matter. If you measured objective athletic metrics for all the kids and found the top group, there would be very few from the top group who name soccer as their primary sport. Call it 10-20%. That means 80-90% of the best athletes are going to other sports.

Then it's just a numbers game. I'm sure you would agree athletic ability alone does not make a great player. So the chances of finding someone with unbelievable athletics AND the other traits necessary to succeed become much lower if the pool is starting at 10% instead of 90%. In other parts of the world the pools would be flipped.

We all want the US to be more competitive in soccer. It won't happen until interest in the game grows to the point where more of the best athletes are choosing soccer. It's just math.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is wild. Families can do whatever they want. If there's a kid playing well and they want to see how they do by stepping up in competition and going club theres no problem with it. If a family doesn't want to go that route and do county there's no problem with that either. You people crying about club soccer teaches entitlement have no idea what you're tallying about. It's just a deferent route.

Back from commercial break.to recap: if you care about larger issues in sport…in America. We are currently not getting many of our top physical talents. Some, yes. But how to get more?

We get that your lawyer wages pay for your kid - and you seem fine (from a random post) with current system and go all laissez-faire. But ask yourself this classic ESPN question… how does a Lebron James pick soccer if it costs 20,000 a year? (Talking with travel to top showcases/tournaments. Maybe you don’t- but Larla’s place on EDP squad is not in jeopardy I assure you with this broader discussion (hence why other countries’ methods discussed).

Lebron James didn’t choose basketball because soccer cost too much. Basketball is more popular here. He grew up idolizing pro basketball players. If not basketball he would have played football. Or baseball. The top athletes in the US don’t aspire to be soccer players. They just don’t. The truly special athletes could excel at lots of different sports. Even if soccer were free they would still choose the popular ones.

$1 Million Dollars 💵 to your favorite charity or cause if you can prove top athletes in the USA don't aspire to be soccer players

What system identifies the top athletes in America at 5, 6, 7 years old and how can we see this database of evidence?

The evidence is to look at where they end up. Basketball and football are loaded with athletes with the best 40yd times, best vertical leap, etc at the pro, college, even high school levels. Go to any high school and see which sports the best athletes are playing. Hint: it’s not soccer. Mbappe, Salah, Haaland, Dembele are on par with the top US athletes in the NFL and NBA. If they grew up in the US they wouldn’t be playing soccer.

Name the Non Athletic players on the US Men's National Team

Of course they are all athletic. That's the starting point. I'm talking about the tippy top of athletic players. The truly all time freakishly gifted athletes. Are there any of those on the USMNT? Because there are on the national teams for basketball, track, and football.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is wild. Families can do whatever they want. If there's a kid playing well and they want to see how they do by stepping up in competition and going club theres no problem with it. If a family doesn't want to go that route and do county there's no problem with that either. You people crying about club soccer teaches entitlement have no idea what you're tallying about. It's just a deferent route.

Back from commercial break.to recap: if you care about larger issues in sport…in America. We are currently not getting many of our top physical talents. Some, yes. But how to get more?

We get that your lawyer wages pay for your kid - and you seem fine (from a random post) with current system and go all laissez-faire. But ask yourself this classic ESPN question… how does a Lebron James pick soccer if it costs 20,000 a year? (Talking with travel to top showcases/tournaments. Maybe you don’t- but Larla’s place on EDP squad is not in jeopardy I assure you with this broader discussion (hence why other countries’ methods discussed).

Lebron James didn’t choose basketball because soccer cost too much. Basketball is more popular here. He grew up idolizing pro basketball players. If not basketball he would have played football. Or baseball. The top athletes in the US don’t aspire to be soccer players. They just don’t. The truly special athletes could excel at lots of different sports. Even if soccer were free they would still choose the popular ones.

$1 Million Dollars 💵 to your favorite charity or cause if you can prove top athletes in the USA don't aspire to be soccer players

What system identifies the top athletes in America at 5, 6, 7 years old and how can we see this database of evidence?

The evidence is to look at where they end up. Basketball and football are loaded with athletes with the best 40yd times, best vertical leap, etc at the pro, college, even high school levels. Go to any high school and see which sports the best athletes are playing. Hint: it’s not soccer. Mbappe, Salah, Haaland, Dembele are on par with the top US athletes in the NFL and NBA. If they grew up in the US they wouldn’t be playing soccer.

Name the Non Athletic players on the US Men's National Team

Of course they are all athletic. That's the starting point. I'm talking about the tippy top of athletic players. The truly all time freakishly gifted athletes. Are there any of those on the USMNT? Because there are on the national teams for basketball, track, and football.

*whispering*
Dear Ignorant,
Soccer high performance doesn't require freakish athleticism.

Which basketball or football team has a roster of 100% freakish athletes btw?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is wild. Families can do whatever they want. If there's a kid playing well and they want to see how they do by stepping up in competition and going club theres no problem with it. If a family doesn't want to go that route and do county there's no problem with that either. You people crying about club soccer teaches entitlement have no idea what you're tallying about. It's just a deferent route.

Back from commercial break.to recap: if you care about larger issues in sport…in America. We are currently not getting many of our top physical talents. Some, yes. But how to get more?

We get that your lawyer wages pay for your kid - and you seem fine (from a random post) with current system and go all laissez-faire. But ask yourself this classic ESPN question… how does a Lebron James pick soccer if it costs 20,000 a year? (Talking with travel to top showcases/tournaments. Maybe you don’t- but Larla’s place on EDP squad is not in jeopardy I assure you with this broader discussion (hence why other countries’ methods discussed).

Lebron James didn’t choose basketball because soccer cost too much. Basketball is more popular here. He grew up idolizing pro basketball players. If not basketball he would have played football. Or baseball. The top athletes in the US don’t aspire to be soccer players. They just don’t. The truly special athletes could excel at lots of different sports. Even if soccer were free they would still choose the popular ones.

$1 Million Dollars 💵 to your favorite charity or cause if you can prove top athletes in the USA don't aspire to be soccer players

What system identifies the top athletes in America at 5, 6, 7 years old and how can we see this database of evidence?

The evidence is to look at where they end up. Basketball and football are loaded with athletes with the best 40yd times, best vertical leap, etc at the pro, college, even high school levels. Go to any high school and see which sports the best athletes are playing. Hint: it’s not soccer. Mbappe, Salah, Haaland, Dembele are on par with the top US athletes in the NFL and NBA. If they grew up in the US they wouldn’t be playing soccer.

Not the PP, but nothing you said points to evidence in the least.

I can give my opinion not based on facts just like you.
Lineup the 5 fastest soccer players at Walter Johnson against the 5 fastest basketball players

Lineup the 5 slowest soccer players at Wooton vs the 5 slowest Football players

Your gibberish is garbage.
Basketball players end up playing basketball because that's their aim and desire.
Same for Football players.

All 25 soccer players on any professional team would beat many Basketball and Football professional players in an athletic contest requiring multiple skillsets.

But you'd have to actually understand the true meaning of athleticism and sport performance to know why.

Ok Mr. Evidence. Where is your evidence that the best US athletes are playing soccer? Your position doesn't pass the smell test.

Take a population of US kids in a neighborhood, a school district, a classroom, college. Doesn't matter. If you measured objective athletic metrics for all the kids and found the top group, there would be very few from the top group who name soccer as their primary sport. Call it 10-20%. That means 80-90% of the best athletes are going to other sports.

Then it's just a numbers game. I'm sure you would agree athletic ability alone does not make a great player. So the chances of finding someone with unbelievable athletics AND the other traits necessary to succeed become much lower if the pool is starting at 10% instead of 90%. In other parts of the world the pools would be flipped.

We all want the US to be more competitive in soccer. It won't happen until interest in the game grows to the point where more of the best athletes are choosing soccer. It's just math.

I'm not making a ridiculous claim that requires verifiable provable evidence and data.
You are.

Of course, because your narrative is a false one, you cannot provide such evidence, now you attempt to pivot to choices vs athleticism.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is wild. Families can do whatever they want. If there's a kid playing well and they want to see how they do by stepping up in competition and going club theres no problem with it. If a family doesn't want to go that route and do county there's no problem with that either. You people crying about club soccer teaches entitlement have no idea what you're tallying about. It's just a deferent route.

Back from commercial break.to recap: if you care about larger issues in sport…in America. We are currently not getting many of our top physical talents. Some, yes. But how to get more?

We get that your lawyer wages pay for your kid - and you seem fine (from a random post) with current system and go all laissez-faire. But ask yourself this classic ESPN question… how does a Lebron James pick soccer if it costs 20,000 a year? (Talking with travel to top showcases/tournaments. Maybe you don’t- but Larla’s place on EDP squad is not in jeopardy I assure you with this broader discussion (hence why other countries’ methods discussed).

Lebron James didn’t choose basketball because soccer cost too much. Basketball is more popular here. He grew up idolizing pro basketball players. If not basketball he would have played football. Or baseball. The top athletes in the US don’t aspire to be soccer players. They just don’t. The truly special athletes could excel at lots of different sports. Even if soccer were free they would still choose the popular ones.

$1 Million Dollars 💵 to your favorite charity or cause if you can prove top athletes in the USA don't aspire to be soccer players

What system identifies the top athletes in America at 5, 6, 7 years old and how can we see this database of evidence?

The evidence is to look at where they end up. Basketball and football are loaded with athletes with the best 40yd times, best vertical leap, etc at the pro, college, even high school levels. Go to any high school and see which sports the best athletes are playing. Hint: it’s not soccer. Mbappe, Salah, Haaland, Dembele are on par with the top US athletes in the NFL and NBA. If they grew up in the US they wouldn’t be playing soccer.

Not the PP, but nothing you said points to evidence in the least.

I can give my opinion not based on facts just like you.
Lineup the 5 fastest soccer players at Walter Johnson against the 5 fastest basketball players

Lineup the 5 slowest soccer players at Wooton vs the 5 slowest Football players

Your gibberish is garbage.
Basketball players end up playing basketball because that's their aim and desire.
Same for Football players.

All 25 soccer players on any professional team would beat many Basketball and Football professional players in an athletic contest requiring multiple skillsets.

But you'd have to actually understand the true meaning of athleticism and sport performance to know why.

Ok Mr. Evidence. Where is your evidence that the best US athletes are playing soccer? Your position doesn't pass the smell test.

Take a population of US kids in a neighborhood, a school district, a classroom, college. Doesn't matter. If you measured objective athletic metrics for all the kids and found the top group, there would be very few from the top group who name soccer as their primary sport. Call it 10-20%. That means 80-90% of the best athletes are going to other sports.

Then it's just a numbers game. I'm sure you would agree athletic ability alone does not make a great player. So the chances of finding someone with unbelievable athletics AND the other traits necessary to succeed become much lower if the pool is starting at 10% instead of 90%. In other parts of the world the pools would be flipped.

We all want the US to be more competitive in soccer. It won't happen until interest in the game grows to the point where more of the best athletes are choosing soccer. It's just math.

The math says the USA based on youth soccer numbers should be a soccer super power.
Numbers is obviously not the issue and athleticism is a Nonsensical Cop-out since Argentina, Italy, Brazil, Spain aren't using Freak Athletic Specimens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For the life of me I do not understand the select/club sports mindset.

Why are we paying thousands of dollars to join clubs so kids can play on the bronze team, to travel to Topeka, to lose to another silver or gold team that plays year round snd is hungry to get out of topeka ks, to go 1-3, stay in a hotel, eat crappy food, while mom and dad bring the younger siblings along, just so they can end up fighting over who forgot to pack snacks for the kids.

How about, you save the money, spend time with the family doing something fun, productive or educational, and play school or Rec ball.

Your kid isn’t going to college on a scholarship or going to the Olympics. Most won’t even be playing the sport they are in after their sophomore year of high school.

fixed… carry on

[Anonymous]

I’ll give you 2 “bronze level” teams getting on an airplane. U13 girls eastern president’s cup finals Beadlings 3rd team played Arlington’s 4th team. Both advanced to Nationals in Kansas in July.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ll give you 2 “bronze level” teams getting on an airplane. U13 girls eastern president’s cup finals Beadlings 3rd team played Arlington’s 4th team. Both advanced to Nationals in Kansas in July.

Great! I hope that is not what OP is talking about. This is a national championship.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll give you 2 “bronze level” teams getting on an airplane. U13 girls eastern president’s cup finals Beadlings 3rd team played Arlington’s 4th team. Both advanced to Nationals in Kansas in July.

Great! I hope that is not what OP is talking about. This is a national championship.

I agree! That’s a fantastic experience for the players and worth traveling for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ll give you 2 “bronze level” teams getting on an airplane. U13 girls eastern president’s cup finals Beadlings 3rd team played Arlington’s 4th team. Both advanced to Nationals in Kansas in July.

From DC to Kansas in summer?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll give you 2 “bronze level” teams getting on an airplane. U13 girls eastern president’s cup finals Beadlings 3rd team played Arlington’s 4th team. Both advanced to Nationals in Kansas in July.

Great! I hope that is not what OP is talking about. This is a national championship.

And that's important, because we only have about 12 of those.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll give you 2 “bronze level” teams getting on an airplane. U13 girls eastern president’s cup finals Beadlings 3rd team played Arlington’s 4th team. Both advanced to Nationals in Kansas in July.

Great! I hope that is not what OP is talking about. This is a national championship.

And that's important, because we only have about 12 of those.

I think this is a snooty response. Most kids won’t ever have the change to play in a national championship. Mine’s been playing for 9 years and has yet to attend one. He’d love the opportunity. Just because his team isn’t MLSN or ECNL doesn’t make it meaningless.

[Anonymous]

Completly meaningless and a waster of time

[Anonymous]

Let’s keep talking about how we need “elite” athletes who can run and jump like Lebron James to choose to play soccer…while Lebron James’ BASKETBALL team keeps getting thrashed by the 2 teams in his conference that are led by pudgy Euros.