I am sure it depends on where you live but I'm sure you'd have to be a heck of an athlete to walk on to our girls high school basketball team. They've all been playing travel ball for years. And you can just see why...the later-to-sport kids don't have the same fluidity in movement as those that have been playing. It just isn't in their muscle memory |
Here is a list of successful NBA players who started playing basketball in their teens or later. https://fadeawayworld.net/10-nba-players-who-started-playing-basketball-late-dennis-rodman-began-playing-at-21-years-old |
Those players only started organized playing at that age. It doesn't mean they hadn't picked up a basketball before. Many were born and living outside the US where there probably weren't many places for organized basketball. But they were likely watching on TV and playing on playgrounds often. Still, these are outliers and one in ten million world class athletes. I'm not sure their examples translate to ordinary youth soccer. |
I agree that the technical development is truly lacking. Most coaches think speed will make up for what a player lacks in footskills which is a fundamentally flawed way of thinking. But Japan will only get so far with that focus. Don't get me wrong, I think Japan has come a long way but they won't measure up to the caliber of a country like BRA, ARG, FRA, ENG or similar using that oh so Japanese mentality. |
| Alex Morgan and Matt Turner started organized soccer in their teens. |
True for Matt Turner, although he is a goalie. Not true for Alex Morgan - she played soccer from the age of 5, just not club soccer. |
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Who cares?
Not like one makes money from soccer. Tennis Baseball Football Golf |
Care is irrelevant, no your logic and theory is flawed to put it mildly |
Anyone saying there are more kids in America playing Tackle Football than Soccer better provide some evidence to overrule our eyes |
Are you taking recent results of Japan teams into consideration? |
There aren’t more kids playing organized football than organized soccer. But way more kids follow it and watch it and understand it and play it informally than soccer. High school football games are big, celebrated events. Soccer is barely attended. Yes, football is way more popular and part of the culture like soccer is abroad. Popularity absolutely translates into the development of players and coaches. |
I am the OP. The person who posted about Spain is correct. Our boys look "pretty damn good" based on our standards and the skill level we have here. But it is all relative. Once we get out to the real world of soccer our boys have no chance and while they may look "damn pretty good" here, overseas they are mediocre players. Most parents who influence the system (and thereby ruining it) just want their kid to play college and that is all. So they hinder or close the door of opportunity of a talented soccer player (with perhaps no financial means to pay club soccer) and hence he is not seen by coaches and/or scouts. Plus, many club directors are mostly made up of former college players who have not seen what or how a professional team on an international level club is run or plays. Please refrain from making silly comments about my post and thanks to those who have replied with a cool head and good info. My post is meant to help us produce better soccer players who can make us look good. |
American Football is becoming analogous to the Roman gladiator "sports" or perhaps boxing -- sure, crowds of people might watch it, and even "understand" the game, but very few are playing it or have any interest in doing so. I don't think "mass spectator appeal" is what drives development of good players or cultural importance of a sport. |
Actually, football culture here is nothing compared to soccer culture elsewhere Basketball may be closer. >The toad who lives is a well only knows a piece of the sky< |
I actually do have kids playing those other sports, and I've played them myself. And sure, it's a matter of degree -- I'm not saying there are zero technical skills in other sports, of course. But, while there is no DCUM "American Football" or "Basketball" or "Baseball" forum where I can drop in to compare (what does that say about the culture of soccer, btw?), I don't hear the same level of discussion about "technical skills" needing to be developed at very young ages in those other sports. It seems that being a good athlete with good coordination, speed, and strength is often enough to permit a kid to start playing these other sports at 10 years old and to quickly catch up. Among the major sports, technical skills in soccer seem to be more difficult and require a much earlier start. Just my view. |