How much do grades and iready scores impact AAP admissions?

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Op again. I think the single most disappointing part was that my daughter could not properly do two and three digit addition when a ten or hundreds carried over. It was obvious she had never been taught and had no idea how to do this on paper.

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Anonymous wrote:Op again. I think the single most disappointing part was that my daughter could not properly do two and three digit addition when a ten or hundreds carried over. It was obvious she had never been taught and had no idea how to do this on paper.

In FCPS/VA this is an end-of-second grade skill. Even at the private we are switching our kids to (does Singapore Math) it's a beginning of second grade skill.

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Anonymous wrote:Op again. I think the single most disappointing part was that my daughter could not properly do two and three digit addition when a ten or hundreds carried over. It was obvious she had never been taught and had no idea how to do this on paper.

In FCPS/VA this is an end-of-second grade skill. Even at the private we are switching our kids to (does Singapore Math) it's a beginning of second grade skill.

It was on the iready practice test Dh found online. The question seemed pretty reasonable. It was like 42 + 19. DD didn’t know how to carry the 1. There was also a 3 digit addition problem she also had trouble with. I am glad this is not something you should know in first grade and she isn’t behind.

All I know is it went from counting to 100 to testing on simple algebra, balancing money, solving word problems and asking about logic that she had never been exposed to before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Op again. I think the single most disappointing part was that my daughter could not properly do two and three digit addition when a ten or hundreds carried over. It was obvious she had never been taught and had no idea how to do this on paper.

It sounds like iready has a pretty good read on your child, honestly. iready is nationally normed against a group of kids taking grade level math. But, the math curriculum spirals a lot. Kids who are naturally very apt at math will put things together and be able to self-extend into material that hasn't expressly been taught, but is the logical extension of the grade level materials. In the norming group, the 90th+ percentile kids are the ones who intuitively figured out how to carry tens or hundreds after learning how to carry ones. If iready were normed for just FCPS, only, then you'd be correct that to get 90th percentile scores, you'd need outside enrichment. Since it's nationally normed test, instead a very bright kid with no enrichment can earn 99th percentile scores, but FCPS will have an over-representation of kids in the highest percentiles.

There are a few issues for you to consider:
Your DD has likely been accurately pegged by iready as being above average, but not super advanced. You're worried that this will disqualify her from AAP. This is a somewhat fair concern, but also a somewhat invalid one. Yes, she will be compared against other kids in her school, and if they're all doing outside enrichment, they might have high iready scores. Kids are still viewed holistically. If her application packet looks like a child who needs AAP for language arts and won't fall flat on her face in advanced math, she'll likely get in. If the CogAT and HOPE are high, she'll likely get in even with a lower iready.

If you want to cover your bases and maximize your DD's chances, then just get a 2nd grade math summer workbook. Both iready and the workbooks you'll find at Costco or walmart are aligned to common core, so they should work beautifully for a little extra enrichment before the 2nd grade fall iready test.

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Anonymous wrote:Op again. I think the single most disappointing part was that my daughter could not properly do two and three digit addition when a ten or hundreds carried over. It was obvious she had never been taught and had no idea how to do this on paper.

In FCPS/VA this is an end-of-second grade skill. Even at the private we are switching our kids to (does Singapore Math) it's a beginning of second grade skill.

It was on the iready practice test Dh found online. The question seemed pretty reasonable. It was like 42 + 19. DD didn’t know how to carry the 1. There was also a 3 digit addition problem she also had trouble with. I am glad this is not something you should know in first grade and she isn’t behind.

All I know is it went from counting to 100 to testing on simple algebra, balancing money, solving word problems and asking about logic that she had never been exposed to before.

If you're this worried about it, then get some math workbook - any math workbook - or a homeschool math curriculum and do practice together over the summer. Or do 1st grade Beast Academy.

In FCPS you have three options: 1) Be happy with the gappy, slowly paced (FCPS math chair literally said she thought it was too slow) curriculum. 2) Supplement at home/via tutoring. 3) Go private.

[Anonymous]

Meant all I know is that she was learning to count to 100 and simple 7+9 type math to being tested on simple algebra and word problems. It feels like a huge jump in a short period of time.

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Anonymous wrote:Op again. I think the single most disappointing part was that my daughter could not properly do two and three digit addition when a ten or hundreds carried over. It was obvious she had never been taught and had no idea how to do this on paper.

In FCPS/VA this is an end-of-second grade skill. Even at the private we are switching our kids to (does Singapore Math) it's a beginning of second grade skill.

It was on the iready practice test Dh found online. The question seemed pretty reasonable. It was like 42 + 19. DD didn’t know how to carry the 1. There was also a 3 digit addition problem she also had trouble with. I am glad this is not something you should know in first grade and she isn’t behind.

All I know is it went from counting to 100 to testing on simple algebra, balancing money, solving word problems and asking about logic that she had never been exposed to before.

If you're this worried about it, then get some math workbook - any math workbook - or a homeschool math curriculum and do practice together over the summer. Or do 1st grade Beast Academy.

In FCPS you have three options: 1) Be happy with the gappy, slowly paced (FCPS math chair literally said she thought it was too slow) curriculum. 2) Supplement at home/via tutoring. 3) Go private.

I’m not really worried. She is in first grade. I’m more disappointed in FCPS and glad I have discovered this at a young age. I at least now know that I will need to supplement.

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Anonymous wrote:Op again. I think the single most disappointing part was that my daughter could not properly do two and three digit addition when a ten or hundreds carried over. It was obvious she had never been taught and had no idea how to do this on paper.

In FCPS/VA this is an end-of-second grade skill. Even at the private we are switching our kids to (does Singapore Math) it's a beginning of second grade skill.

It was on the iready practice test Dh found online. The question seemed pretty reasonable. It was like 42 + 19. DD didn’t know how to carry the 1. There was also a 3 digit addition problem she also had trouble with. I am glad this is not something you should know in first grade and she isn’t behind.

All I know is it went from counting to 100 to testing on simple algebra, balancing money, solving word problems and asking about logic that she had never been exposed to before.

If you're this worried about it, then get some math workbook - any math workbook - or a homeschool math curriculum and do practice together over the summer. Or do 1st grade Beast Academy.

In FCPS you have three options: 1) Be happy with the gappy, slowly paced (FCPS math chair literally said she thought it was too slow) curriculum. 2) Supplement at home/via tutoring. 3) Go private.

I’m not really worried. She is in first grade. I’m more disappointed in FCPS and glad I have discovered this at a young age. I at least now know that I will need to supplement.

FCPS deserves criticism for lots of things but this isn't one of them. The math you are referencing is not first grade math skills per the state of Va. If you want to see what the standards are they are easy to find. Iready does as harder questions because it is an adaptive tests and if your student does well they will see those higher level concepts.

https://www.doe.virginia.gov/teaching-learning-assessment/instruction/mathematics/standards-of-learning-for-mathematics

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Anonymous wrote:Op again. I think the single most disappointing part was that my daughter could not properly do two and three digit addition when a ten or hundreds carried over. It was obvious she had never been taught and had no idea how to do this on paper.

In FCPS/VA this is an end-of-second grade skill. Even at the private we are switching our kids to (does Singapore Math) it's a beginning of second grade skill.

It was on the iready practice test Dh found online. The question seemed pretty reasonable. It was like 42 + 19. DD didn’t know how to carry the 1. There was also a 3 digit addition problem she also had trouble with. I am glad this is not something you should know in first grade and she isn’t behind.

All I know is it went from counting to 100 to testing on simple algebra, balancing money, solving word problems and asking about logic that she had never been exposed to before.

If you're this worried about it, then get some math workbook - any math workbook - or a homeschool math curriculum and do practice together over the summer. Or do 1st grade Beast Academy.

In FCPS you have three options: 1) Be happy with the gappy, slowly paced (FCPS math chair literally said she thought it was too slow) curriculum. 2) Supplement at home/via tutoring. 3) Go private.

I’m not really worried. She is in first grade. I’m more disappointed in FCPS and glad I have discovered this at a young age. I at least now know that I will need to supplement.

Why are you so convinced that FCPS is failing to teach your DD and not that perhaps your DD isn't particularly strong in math? If she has been earning all 3s in K and 1st grade math, and has a 80th percentile iready math, maybe she is just high average in math.

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Anonymous wrote:Op again. I think the single most disappointing part was that my daughter could not properly do two and three digit addition when a ten or hundreds carried over. It was obvious she had never been taught and had no idea how to do this on paper.

In FCPS/VA this is an end-of-second grade skill. Even at the private we are switching our kids to (does Singapore Math) it's a beginning of second grade skill.

My 2nd grader learned this in the middle of the school year.

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Anonymous wrote:Given is really only accelerated math in AAP classes, if score 99.9% in reading but math is at 87%, is that enough to get in if COGAT and NNaT and grades are all above minimum threshold? Or does the over 90% have to be in math?

My kid got in to the full time AAP program for 3rd with an 89th percentile math iReady, but that was not enough to get her level II AAP in math this year (2nd). There's no "minimum threshhold" for CogAT and NNAT. They look at those with iReady, grades, and most importantly to the committee teacher recommendation plus your parent questionaire and referral form (you have to do those even if your kid is in pool to give the best picture of your kid). But the actual deciding factor is the HOPE scale, which at least at our school is compiled by 1st grade teacher, 2nd grade teacher, and AART in a committee.

They do HOPE/GBRS every year for every kid. Theoretically you could see at the beginning of next year what this year's HOPE is.

Which means that if your child is new to the school in 2nd grade, they won't get in b/c the teachers don't know him yet.

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Anonymous wrote:Given is really only accelerated math in AAP classes, if score 99.9% in reading but math is at 87%, is that enough to get in if COGAT and NNaT and grades are all above minimum threshold? Or does the over 90% have to be in math?

My kid got in to the full time AAP program for 3rd with an 89th percentile math iReady, but that was not enough to get her level II AAP in math this year (2nd). There's no "minimum threshhold" for CogAT and NNAT. They look at those with iReady, grades, and most importantly to the committee teacher recommendation plus your parent questionaire and referral form (you have to do those even if your kid is in pool to give the best picture of your kid). But the actual deciding factor is the HOPE scale, which at least at our school is compiled by 1st grade teacher, 2nd grade teacher, and AART in a committee.

They do HOPE/GBRS every year for every kid. Theoretically you could see at the beginning of next year what this year's HOPE is.

Which means that if your child is new to the school in 2nd grade, they won't get in b/c the teachers don't know him yet.

Actually I think there was the sense that it might be slightly easier if you're transferring in - if the student has high scores.