Sending son to Walls but he does not want to go

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Have not read all this but you can’t be enrolled in 2 schools at one time so either it’s Walls or another school.

Also, OP was IB with Deal but now has moved. OP does not have rights to JR. I can’t believe people on here are telling OP otherwise or just to enroll. She will be flagged as new OOB because she was not before.

No she won’t because that’s not how their systems of record track the data. Deal sends the paperwork for ALL eighth graders to JR. They don’t distinguish who’s OOB through the lottery and who was formerly IB.

So you are telling her to lie and commit fraud. Fantastic.

Goodness gracious, it’s not fraud if Deal sends her child’s information to JR and JR accepts it. It’s the schools choosing not to enforce a part of the DCPS policy for administrative reasons.

You fraud brigade really are nuts about this. Also this is DC, ask any lawyer friend the legal definition of fraud. Because you sound silly when you keep beating this dead horse.

+1. Deal could also just ask about it as part of enrollment, in which case you actually would have to lie. They don't. They do not care about this, and OP is not obligated to care more than they do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, long story but we are no longer IB for JR...could move again or rent but prefer not to.

So, your kid is not at DEAL as you said? It doesn't matter where you live if your kid is going to graduate from Deal, they can attend JR.

Hm. I was told otherwise but I will definitely talk to JR. That would give another option which would be great.

My kid is a sophomore and we moved during his 8th grade year. When I enrolled him at JR they told me I needed to enroll him at our IB school. I told them that he had already signed up for his courses and that he was coming from Deal and that was it. So my sense is they are checking IB school but as of last year they were still allowing kids from feeder.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, long story but we are no longer IB for JR...could move again or rent but prefer not to.

So, your kid is not at DEAL as you said? It doesn't matter where you live if your kid is going to graduate from Deal, they can attend JR.

Only because no one is paying attention though, right? You're supposed to get feeder rights if you lottery in, but not if you enroll and move.

Did not know this!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Have not read all this but you can’t be enrolled in 2 schools at one time so either it’s Walls or another school.

Also, OP was IB with Deal but now has moved. OP does not have rights to JR. I can’t believe people on here are telling OP otherwise or just to enroll. She will be flagged as new OOB because she was not before.

No she won’t because that’s not how their systems of record track the data. Deal sends the paperwork for ALL eighth graders to JR. They don’t distinguish who’s OOB through the lottery and who was formerly IB.

So you are telling her to lie and commit fraud. Fantastic.

Goodness gracious, it’s not fraud if Deal sends her child’s information to JR and JR accepts it. It’s the schools choosing not to enforce a part of the DCPS policy for administrative reasons.

You fraud brigade really are nuts about this. Also this is DC, ask any lawyer friend the legal definition of fraud. Because you sound silly when you keep beating this dead horse.

+1. Deal could also just ask about it as part of enrollment, in which case you actually would have to lie. They don't. They do not care about this, and OP is not obligated to care more than they do.

It is perjury. Read the recent thread about JR last week about home visits.

OP lives OOB and does not live IB for JR and she does not have feeder rights. She is lying to government officials by signing the forms

I think DC is getting more strict with enforcing things BTW

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Have not read all this but you can’t be enrolled in 2 schools at one time so either it’s Walls or another school.

Also, OP was IB with Deal but now has moved. OP does not have rights to JR. I can’t believe people on here are telling OP otherwise or just to enroll. She will be flagged as new OOB because she was not before.

No she won’t because that’s not how their systems of record track the data. Deal sends the paperwork for ALL eighth graders to JR. They don’t distinguish who’s OOB through the lottery and who was formerly IB.

So you are telling her to lie and commit fraud. Fantastic.

Goodness gracious, it’s not fraud if Deal sends her child’s information to JR and JR accepts it. It’s the schools choosing not to enforce a part of the DCPS policy for administrative reasons.

You fraud brigade really are nuts about this. Also this is DC, ask any lawyer friend the legal definition of fraud. Because you sound silly when you keep beating this dead horse.

+1. Deal could also just ask about it as part of enrollment, in which case you actually would have to lie. They don't. They do not care about this, and OP is not obligated to care more than they do.

It is perjury. Read the recent thread about JR last week about home visits.

OP lives OOB and does not live IB for JR and she does not have feeder rights. She is lying to government officials by signing the forms

I think DC is getting more strict with enforcing things BTW

But she's going to put her real address on the forms. That's the distinction. So if they do the home visit, she'll be at her home, at the address she listed. They don't ask on the form "hey, do you have feeder rights?" (Now, if Deal does ask that as part of the enrollment, that's different.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Have not read all this but you can’t be enrolled in 2 schools at one time so either it’s Walls or another school.

Also, OP was IB with Deal but now has moved. OP does not have rights to JR. I can’t believe people on here are telling OP otherwise or just to enroll. She will be flagged as new OOB because she was not before.

No she won’t because that’s not how their systems of record track the data. Deal sends the paperwork for ALL eighth graders to JR. They don’t distinguish who’s OOB through the lottery and who was formerly IB.

So you are telling her to lie and commit fraud. Fantastic.

Goodness gracious, it’s not fraud if Deal sends her child’s information to JR and JR accepts it. It’s the schools choosing not to enforce a part of the DCPS policy for administrative reasons.

You fraud brigade really are nuts about this. Also this is DC, ask any lawyer friend the legal definition of fraud. Because you sound silly when you keep beating this dead horse.

+1. Deal could also just ask about it as part of enrollment, in which case you actually would have to lie. They don't. They do not care about this, and OP is not obligated to care more than they do.

It is perjury. Read the recent thread about JR last week about home visits.

OP lives OOB and does not live IB for JR and she does not have feeder rights. She is lying to government officials by signing the forms

I think DC is getting more strict with enforcing things BTW

But she's going to put her real address on the forms. That's the distinction. So if they do the home visit, she'll be at her home, at the address she listed. They don't ask on the form "hey, do you have feeder rights?" (Now, if Deal does ask that as part of the enrollment, that's different.)

Stop engaging with this “it’s fraud it’s perjury” troll. They’re wrong and don’t understand the law, but are on a campaign to bludgeon people with belligerence. I hope OP calls JR and asks instead of listening to the troll, because JR sounds like the best option for her child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He is not interested or motivated to go. Is this a bad idea? He basically doesn’t want a school with so much stress and homework and doesn’t like that sports are so difficult to get to, etc.

But it’s a great school and it’s our only public option so not sure what to do. We could do private but not easily. I’m just afraid he will drown at walls especially is he thinks he doenst want to be there.

Can anyone with a child there weigh in

What sport does he play? If he has his heart set on baseball then that should help because he can play at SWW and their team is not bad. He will not play baseball at SJC unless he is recruited, so please make sure he knows that. If he is a good basketball player then he could probably play freshman year at SJC, but that’s the end of the road. SJC also has no cut sports like rugby, x-country, and crew.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think you can even lottery for a school if you’re enrolled at the feeder elementary or middle. Until MSDC updates it’s code to allow families to lottery, they have to let kids continue on the feeder path even if they’re not technically entitled under a policy.

OP just enroll your kid at JR and give some kid EOTP the spot at Walls. Better than forcing your kid there against their will.

OMG this is such a good point! Oy vey, DC.

[Anonymous]

Don’t send him to Walls if he doesn’t want to study. The kids there want to be there and want to study and do well. Send him to your IB, whatever it is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think you can even lottery for a school if you’re enrolled at the feeder elementary or middle. Until MSDC updates it’s code to allow families to lottery, they have to let kids continue on the feeder path even if they’re not technically entitled under a policy.

OP just enroll your kid at JR and give some kid EOTP the spot at Walls. Better than forcing your kid there against their will.

OMG this is such a good point! Oy vey, DC.

Yes, this is 100% the problem and the reason why ALL schools in DC allow ALL kids from their feeders to enroll. DCPS literally does not keep track of how OOB kids qualify for the school to begin with and does not allow IB admits who subsequently move to relottery for feeder rights. This situation arose with respect to a kid at Stuart-Hobson and her parents reached out to the Chancellor for guidance (because she had a very good chance of matching for 5th at the school she was already attending) and he flat out said she could go automatically.

[Anonymous]

NP. My kid is in 8th at SWW@FS. We moved OOB and when entering the lottery this year (for 9th grade next year) of course using our new, OOB address, our account says that we have rights to two schools: 1-Cardozo, the feeder HS for Francis Stevens and 2-our new IB HS. Why wouldn’t something similar be the case for OP? Does JR operate differently because it’s more coveted and crowded than Cardozo and our IB?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Have not read all this but you can’t be enrolled in 2 schools at one time so either it’s Walls or another school.

Also, OP was IB with Deal but now has moved. OP does not have rights to JR. I can’t believe people on here are telling OP otherwise or just to enroll. She will be flagged as new OOB because she was not before.

No she won’t because that’s not how their systems of record track the data. Deal sends the paperwork for ALL eighth graders to JR. They don’t distinguish who’s OOB through the lottery and who was formerly IB.

I don’t know if they do check, but it is easy to check. It’s called “membership” in ASPEN and can only be seen from the staff side. It shows every DCPS school they have attended and if they left the system and came back (or when they entered initially). It also shows if they received their spot in boundary or out of boundary. It shows if their feeder enrolled them for a day but they actually never attended. So, yes, someone CAN easily check if they want to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think you can even lottery for a school if you’re enrolled at the feeder elementary or middle. Until MSDC updates it’s code to allow families to lottery, they have to let kids continue on the feeder path even if they’re not technically entitled under a policy.

OP just enroll your kid at JR and give some kid EOTP the spot at Walls. Better than forcing your kid there against their will.

OMG this is such a good point! Oy vey, DC.

Yes, this is 100% the problem and the reason why ALL schools in DC allow ALL kids from their feeders to enroll. DCPS literally does not keep track of how OOB kids qualify for the school to begin with and does not allow IB admits who subsequently move to relottery for feeder rights. This situation arose with respect to a kid at Stuart-Hobson and her parents reached out to the Chancellor for guidance (because she had a very good chance of matching for 5th at the school she was already attending) and he flat out said she could go automatically.

this is a lie.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think you can even lottery for a school if you’re enrolled at the feeder elementary or middle. Until MSDC updates it’s code to allow families to lottery, they have to let kids continue on the feeder path even if they’re not technically entitled under a policy.

OP just enroll your kid at JR and give some kid EOTP the spot at Walls. Better than forcing your kid there against their will.

OMG this is such a good point! Oy vey, DC.

Yes, this is 100% the problem and the reason why ALL schools in DC allow ALL kids from their feeders to enroll. DCPS literally does not keep track of how OOB kids qualify for the school to begin with and does not allow IB admits who subsequently move to relottery for feeder rights. This situation arose with respect to a kid at Stuart-Hobson and her parents reached out to the Chancellor for guidance (because she had a very good chance of matching for 5th at the school she was already attending) and he flat out said she could go automatically.

this is a lie.

Sorry, just about the not being able to check part.

[Anonymous]

There is policy and the technical solution.
The policy is that is you enrolled and moved OOB, you can stay through the truncating grade.
DCPS does not have a technical solution on how a student is enrolled at a school for "feeder rights".
You can do the honest thing - or not.
Reality - no one gets "caught" for this.

To answer the original question, I have a child at SJC and a child at Walls. These kids are very different and they are at the right place for each of them. Child at Walls loves the urban pulse really values the diversity. Walls kid picks things up easily and loves the engagement with classmates about really obscure items. Kid at SJC takes academics seriously (more so than Walls). Friend group is significantly less diverse. But very happy.
Walls does some really interesting things - there is a school trip to India right now. As a part of Government classes the students will go over to the Supreme Court - and doing this is really easy.
With regard to college placement - it looks very different because the student body is really different. SJC has a much larger spread of students (academically) than Walls. A lot of athletes who are looking to play at the next level. For some this is a hook into a top school - for others, they are off to a small school that you might not be familiar with.

Good luck with your decision.