Jackson-Reed home visits for eligibility verification

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Anonymous wrote:If the city was smart, they could also put in the manual that these families should pay back tuition for sending their kid to JR (OOB DC, MD, or VA resident) and fined x amount of money for residency fraud.

Rules are rules and there should be consequences if you break them.

You can be fined for residency fraud. It happens. But it doesn't include being OOB because that's not how the law is written. It would have to be changed but I can't imagine that's anyone's priority.

You don’t need a law. Put in the handbook the above for OOB DC residents and MD and VA residents.

"Chapter 3. Residency Requirement and Nonresident Tuition" of the DC code lays out requirements and penalties in great detail. The government can't just make up new reasons to fine you because they say so. You actually do have to change the law.

You are quoting residency fraud for out of the city.

I think there is also boundary fraud

Where does the phrase "boundary fraud" appear in the code?

It’s not in the code above but see below what you are certifying when you sign

“I understand that if I provide false information or documentation, I can be referred to DC Office of the Inspector General for criminal prosecution or to the DC Office of the Attorney General for prosecution under the False Claims Act and under DC Code § 38-312 which provides that any person who knowingly supplies false information to a public official in connection with student residency verification shall be subject to payment of a fine of not more than $2,000 or imprisonment for not more than 90 days, but not both a fine and imprisonment.”

Is it really worth risking having a criminal record and/or losing your job if you have security clearance just to go to any DC public school, none of which are even that good. Seriously

I think the people who do this assume they'd never push it that hard, and are probably right -- DC looks the other way on a lot of stuff and this is one of them.

For me, though, I just think it's unfair to other families and would be so embarrassed if other families at our school or own our neighborhood found out we did that. I mean, you also have the option of moving, or doing the lottery, or going to your IB. So there is no reason you HAVE to commit boundary fraud, and to me it reads as "I just think I can do whatever I want." It just comes off as entitled, and probably contributes to problems like overcrowding at some schools (including JR), low IB enrollment at others, etc. So personally I can't imagine doing this or defending it, even though I'm sure it's not that hard to get away with.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who works in a different DCPS school I'm surprised to see that an office is so far in processing their enrollment that they would get to this request.

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+1. They’re not sending out investigators before the enrollment deadline. OP could be in Arizona still and legitimately enrolling. This is just a troll from the residency fraud brigade.

This could very well be a troll, but I submitted my kid’s JR enrollment last week and got an email over the weekend about my address verification documents (I attached the wrong thing after doing this for a million years). They are very actively pursuing early enrollment this year, and a staff member is working on them.

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I wonder if JR is getting pressured by central office to take kids from the waitlist or add a self contained class or something and they are trying to figure out how much room they have.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who works in a different DCPS school I'm surprised to see that an office is so far in processing their enrollment that they would get to this request.

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+1. They’re not sending out investigators before the enrollment deadline. OP could be in Arizona still and legitimately enrolling. This is just a troll from the residency fraud brigade.

This could very well be a troll, but I submitted my kid’s JR enrollment last week and got an email over the weekend about my address verification documents (I attached the wrong thing after doing this for a million years). They are very actively pursuing early enrollment this year, and a staff member is working on them.

I had a similar thing happen with my enrollment (my pay stub file didn't upload fully)but what they did with both of us, it seems, is let us know we had something to correct. They did not immediately go to scheduling a home visit. That's why I think this is a troll.

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Many years ago, our youngest enrolled at Randle-Highlands ES for PK3. It was not in April, but that spring the school reached-out to us directly for a residency check.

At the time, I thought it was odd given that we lived in-boundary for a school that is on relatively few lottery submissions and had very little over-crowding issues.

We ultimately received an offer from another school before the inscpection was scheduled to occur.

I remember learning that the inspector/verifier will want to look at the child's bedroom.

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Anonymous wrote:I also support this. You see the advice a lot on here "just rent an apartment IB for JR" to get your kid into a good HS. Now, if a family is actually moving IB for JR, totally fine. But there are definitely people who would try to just rent something tiny to get an IB address and then stay where they are, and that's fraud.

It's also long term not in anyone's interest. Spots at decent HSs are getting harder to come by, so what we need to do is make more decent high schools, which means discouraging people from using sketchy or fraudulent means to get into one of the handful of good ones.

The concern is with families living in VA or MD. That's what they're looking for.

I suspect also in DC

They are very explicit about what they investigate, which is if "a non-district resident is receiving District-funded public
education free of charge."

https://osse.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/osse/publication/attachments/ResidencyInvestigation_18x24_posters.pdf

That’s the OSSE policy. OP didn’t say OSSE wanted a home visit, they said JR wanted a home visit. I know a lot of the staff at JR are tired of the overcrowding. This might be school initiated.

Uh, OSSE sets district wide policy for publics and charters. Hello?

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So much information is now online. If they have someone good at googling all you need is for someone to google the parents name and emergency contacts to verify. If the contact is a grandparent or friend who has the same address it may be that someone is using an address. This is more likely the more expensive a house is. Obviously some information isn’t reliable but so much if it is. By googling the address the owners name often comes up as well.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who works in a different DCPS school I'm surprised to see that an office is so far in processing their enrollment that they would get to this request.

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+1. They’re not sending out investigators before the enrollment deadline. OP could be in Arizona still and legitimately enrolling. This is just a troll from the residency fraud brigade.

This could very well be a troll, but I submitted my kid’s JR enrollment last week and got an email over the weekend about my address verification documents (I attached the wrong thing after doing this for a million years). They are very actively pursuing early enrollment this year, and a staff member is working on them.

I had a similar thing happen with my enrollment (my pay stub file didn't upload fully)but what they did with both of us, it seems, is let us know we had something to correct. They did not immediately go to scheduling a home visit. That's why I think this is a troll.

Right. I was correcting the idea (started in the original sentiment in this particular chain) that JR isn't working on enrollment now/doesn't have staff focused on it. They do, so what op asserted is certainly plausible. Which doesn't preclude OP from being a troll!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As someone who works in a different DCPS school I'm surprised to see that an office is so far in processing their enrollment that they would get to this request.

sus.

+1. They’re not sending out investigators before the enrollment deadline. OP could be in Arizona still and legitimately enrolling. This is just a troll from the residency fraud brigade.

This could very well be a troll, but I submitted my kid’s JR enrollment last week and got an email over the weekend about my address verification documents (I attached the wrong thing after doing this for a million years). They are very actively pursuing early enrollment this year, and a staff member is working on them.

I had a similar thing happen with my enrollment (my pay stub file didn't upload fully)but what they did with both of us, it seems, is let us know we had something to correct. They did not immediately go to scheduling a home visit. That's why I think this is a troll.

I don’t think it’s a troll. I suspect OP is engaging in residency fraud and why they are scheduling a home visit.

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How did they tell you? E-mail? Letter? Phone call?

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who works in a different DCPS school I'm surprised to see that an office is so far in processing their enrollment that they would get to this request.

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+1. They’re not sending out investigators before the enrollment deadline. OP could be in Arizona still and legitimately enrolling. This is just a troll from the residency fraud brigade.

This could very well be a troll, but I submitted my kid’s JR enrollment last week and got an email over the weekend about my address verification documents (I attached the wrong thing after doing this for a million years). They are very actively pursuing early enrollment this year, and a staff member is working on them.

I had a similar thing happen with my enrollment (my pay stub file didn't upload fully)but what they did with both of us, it seems, is let us know we had something to correct. They did not immediately go to scheduling a home visit. That's why I think this is a troll.

I don’t think it’s a troll. I suspect OP is engaging in residency fraud and why they are scheduling a home visit.

+1. We also got a residency check in PK for a school that virtually never has a waitlist (and for which we were not only IB but lived almost right next to the school). I assumed there were just spot checks in the system and our name came up so they sent someone.

When it happened, I was totally unbothered because why would I be? We were IB, the check took 5 minutes. If anything it confirmed they had received all our enrollment paperwork and I didn't have to follow up to make sure we were set for fall. I definitely didn't post on DCUM about it or consider suing the school district. It was nothing, not really much different than being asked to re-submit health forms or other random administrative stuff you sometimes have to do for DCPS.

OP might be a troll trying to stir up boundary fraud controversy, but I'm betting that they actually are not IB for JR and are running some kind of scam (using someone else's address, renting a studio they don't live in) and panicking because they are about to get caught. It is definitely not unheard of for DCPS to do residency visits, though I think they fell by the wayside during Covid. Perhaps they are ramping them back up again this year and it's scaring people who were convinced that DCPS doesn't care about boundary fraud (newsflash, of course they do, if it were rampant it would cause massive issues with overcrowding plus completely undermine the lottery).

[Anonymous]

I wish they did this for all schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As someone who works in a different DCPS school I'm surprised to see that an office is so far in processing their enrollment that they would get to this request.

sus.

+1. They’re not sending out investigators before the enrollment deadline. OP could be in Arizona still and legitimately enrolling. This is just a troll from the residency fraud brigade.

This could very well be a troll, but I submitted my kid’s JR enrollment last week and got an email over the weekend about my address verification documents (I attached the wrong thing after doing this for a million years). They are very actively pursuing early enrollment this year, and a staff member is working on them.

I had a similar thing happen with my enrollment (my pay stub file didn't upload fully)but what they did with both of us, it seems, is let us know we had something to correct. They did not immediately go to scheduling a home visit. That's why I think this is a troll.

I don’t think it’s a troll. I suspect OP is engaging in residency fraud and why they are scheduling a home visit.

+1. We also got a residency check in PK for a school that virtually never has a waitlist (and for which we were not only IB but lived almost right next to the school). I assumed there were just spot checks in the system and our name came up so they sent someone.

When it happened, I was totally unbothered because why would I be? We were IB, the check took 5 minutes. If anything it confirmed they had received all our enrollment paperwork and I didn't have to follow up to make sure we were set for fall. I definitely didn't post on DCUM about it or consider suing the school district. It was nothing, not really much different than being asked to re-submit health forms or other random administrative stuff you sometimes have to do for DCPS.

OP might be a troll trying to stir up boundary fraud controversy, but I'm betting that they actually are not IB for JR and are running some kind of scam (using someone else's address, renting a studio they don't live in) and panicking because they are about to get caught. It is definitely not unheard of for DCPS to do residency visits, though I think they fell by the wayside during Covid. Perhaps they are ramping them back up again this year and it's scaring people who were convinced that DCPS doesn't care about boundary fraud (newsflash, of course they do, if it were rampant it would cause massive issues with overcrowding plus completely undermine the lottery).

That's an argument for why they *should* care about it, not why they *do* care about it! DCPS should care about a lot of things that they don't.

[Anonymous]

OP may have legitimately only just moved in-bounds for JR or otherwise has a child not coming from Deal or something like that. Enrolling your child in public school should be kept fairly easy for people who are following the rules.

[Anonymous]

I’m not OP but I also was told we’d need a home visit. My kid is at a charter school, not Deal, and I figured that was why. Our house is so messy and so filled with kid stuff that I have no concerns about passing this test!