This just made me laugh. Obviously it didn't hurt him that much..... |
If you’re looking for some sort of study that disproves that a disproportionate number (relative to the total population of US college students) of T14 admits attended elite undergrad institutions, you’re not going to find it. Obviously that’s true. I’m saying attending an elite undergrad is not a significant advantage or plus factor in elite law school admissions. Those two facts can coexist. I and other PPs have explained this already, so this is the last time I’m going to engage with you, but students who meet T14 admissions criteria of an extremely high GPA AND LSAT are way more likely to come from a certain subset of colleges for a variety of reasons. But students who meet this criteria from non-elite undergrad institutions are also admitted. It’s about meeting the basic admissions criteria, which is a high bar. Law school admissions is actually extremely predictable, regardless of a student’s undergrad institution. And by the same token, I disagree that attending an elite private high school makes admission to an elite undergrad more likely *for a kid who meets the qualifications*. There are empirical studies on this, at least at the HS level. A kid who has the scores/soft factors to be admitted by an elite undergrad institution isn’t harmed by attending public high school. It’s just that the kids at elite private/boarding schools also tend to have advantages (wealthy parents who can pay for enrichment and tutoring, can make massive donations to universities, have family legacy, etc.), and sometimes those advantages can help a kid who might not have gotten in if they were just average Joe at a public school. It’s correlation, not causation. And I actually think in today’s age of DEI, elite universities are sensitive to the perception that rich kids are buying their way in. All else equal, they might admit the public school kid instead. I interview for my elite undergrad college and see the admissions results; the public school kids I interview have had a better admissions rate than the private school kids over the past few years. |
disagree. Google used to hire only from certain schools. They stopped doing that a decade or so ago because they realized that they were missing out on talent. They even removed the degree requirement for software programmers. The CS job landscape is changing, but it's not requiring prestigious degrees to land a job. -former Googler |
Nurse here. NIH research positions. The internal hiring people (NOT the HR staff who determine cert via USAJobs) love Hopkins-trained nurses. Suburban Hospital— also a Hopkins property— likes Hopkins and Maryland grads. They also discriminate on the basis of age (prefer the under-27 set who is likely to be moving on soon to CRNA anyway) Georgetown Hospital seems to have more CUA grads than any other undergrad. |
Disagree about medicine. It does matter- depending on what specialty and where you want to work. Where you go to school can absolutely affect what type of residency you match with (and if you get your first choice) and what institution hires you afterward. Most doctors are not private practice, therefore they are subjected to the hiring process by a panel like other professionals, where they do consider your credentials. |
You get into a desired residency based on usmle 2 scores-they got rid of scoring for part 1 due to equity LOL. What really gets you into a good residency is research and being published in selective med journals (this is hard to do when you are volunteering cleaning poop in the hospital so you can get into med school)-which can be done also by foreign trained docs(who didnt have to clean poop in their foreign countries to become docs)-have foreign med school derm friend who went research way to derm residency-making 1mil doing botox and fillers is so cal now....life is good |
if your kid has to major in the humanities - classics, literature, history, sociology - try to go to an ivy. The degree with will be likely useless, by the name of the ivy on his/her resume will not.
I still do regret studying literature, but because I did it at Yale and Harvard (BA through PhD), I managed to make the transition from academia pretty painlessly. It shocked me how much the name impressed potential employers even though I felt woefully unqualified in terms of experience. People just assumed that I was smart enough to pick up new skills and fields of knowledge very quickly. |
which is probably true, also with social media and most of sales online good writing skills go a looong way |
BTW my joke is "who does "name random for profit medical system" hire? a pulse with a degree ![]() |
I am looking for a study that analyzes law school admissions and definitively comes to the conclusion that undergraduate institution does not matter. That a 4.0 and 178 from Frostburg State, beats a 3.95 and 177 from Stanford 99/100 times for T14 admission. Absent that study, everything that has been written many, many times on DCUM is absolutely not supported by the empirical evidence. Case closed. |
I looked and could not find any. Really want to see the link to your empirical studies. |
I suspect that is a false statement. Maybe for specialty Masters or advanced nursing programs but not for BSN/undergrad nursing programs. It's all about passing the NCLEX. So ideally you want to select a program where a high percentage of their students pass (and on the first or 2nd try)---that means the material is well taught, kids are prepared with classes and clinicals to do well. That is what matters most. |
Supposedly Penn Nursing grads are offered really high-paying positions...over $100k to start.
I don't know if this is a COL difference or even what a CC nurse makes. It sounds impressive, but maybe that is what all nurses make? |
A hospital will not pay a nurse more or less just based on the name of the college-this just isnt true. They do have a higher chance of scoring a Penn medical resident-husband or wife though than through an online degree ![]() |
So, is this what all nurses make? I honestly don't know. Sounds like a nice career. |