Interesting Read: "I dropped out of an Ivy and my life is way better for it"

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Anonymous wrote:I suspect this is a frequent poster on multiple sites .If so, she attended Columbia.

Every kid is different. Every Ivy is different. Years ago, Howard Greene wrote a book in which he included a survey of students at 20 top schools. One question was "Are your classmates cut throat?" Nobody at Wesleyan said yes. One half of one per cent of Brown students did. The highest percentage of yeses was at Johns Hopkins. (I forget the exact number but it was the vast majority.) The book was written 30 plus years ago, but the point is that all of these schools have different personalities. What is true about Columbia may not be true about Dartmouth or Harvard or Brown.

I was wondering the same about this poster. It reminded me of those threads.

Agree with you on different climates. Mine is at Brown and has found interesting, bright, creative people. Collaborative atmosphere, though it can be competitive getting into some clubs. Only considered a few Ivies. Thought about others initially, but after seeing the differences in environment (in terms of student body), narrowed it down.

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Anonymous wrote:I suspect this is a frequent poster on multiple sites .If so, she attended Columbia.

Every kid is different. Every Ivy is different. Years ago, Howard Greene wrote a book in which he included a survey of students at 20 top schools. One question was "Are your classmates cut throat?" Nobody at Wesleyan said yes. One half of one per cent of Brown students did. The highest percentage of yeses was at Johns Hopkins. (I forget the exact number but it was the vast majority.) The book was written 30 plus years ago, but the point is that all of these schools have different personalities. What is true about Columbia may not be true about Dartmouth or Harvard or Brown.

I was wondering the same about this poster. It reminded me of those threads.

Agree with you on different climates. Mine is at Brown and has found interesting, bright, creative people. Collaborative atmosphere, though it can be competitive getting into some clubs. Only considered a few Ivies. Thought about others initially, but after seeing the differences in environment (in terms of student body), narrowed it down.

You can find interesting, bright, creative people at every Ivy. Brown’s brand is that it’s more relaxed than other Ivies and you’re just doing your part to sell it.

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Anonymous wrote:I suspect this is a frequent poster on multiple sites .If so, she attended Columbia.

Every kid is different. Every Ivy is different. Years ago, Howard Greene wrote a book in which he included a survey of students at 20 top schools. One question was "Are your classmates cut throat?" Nobody at Wesleyan said yes. One half of one per cent of Brown students did. The highest percentage of yeses was at Johns Hopkins. (I forget the exact number but it was the vast majority.) The book was written 30 plus years ago, but the point is that all of these schools have different personalities. What is true about Columbia may not be true about Dartmouth or Harvard or Brown.

I was wondering the same about this poster. It reminded me of those threads.

Agree with you on different climates. Mine is at Brown and has found interesting, bright, creative people. Collaborative atmosphere, though it can be competitive getting into some clubs. Only considered a few Ivies. Thought about others initially, but after seeing the differences in environment (in terms of student body), narrowed it down.

You can find interesting, bright, creative people at every Ivy. Brown’s brand is that it’s more relaxed than other Ivies and you’re just doing your part to sell it.

Sure you can find them, but it is not the climate at some. How many campuses do you know? H has more focused on competition and students can be more self-important for example. And, I can see why this poster struggled at say Columbia. Brown’s climate is different-- more creative and collaborative.
No sales here. I'm just a very happy parent whose kid had several choices and made a good one. I posted to offer a counter perspective to OP that all Ivies do not feel like that.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm at a SLAC that's known for being very supportive. It's such a refreshing pace after spending five semesters at an Ivy, which my Chinese immigrant parents forced me to choose when I was a senior in high school four years ago since they were thrilled that I got in.

The difference is night and day. The environment is SO much less cutthroat and competitive. Barely any clubs have competitive application processes. The students are so much more friendly and gracious and have much better social skills (which IMO is infinitely more important for success than which college you go to). There's so much more diversity in terms of interests and career goals within the student body -- people are planning on going to vet school or becoming art conservationists or librarians or humanitarian aid workers. It's a real break from the intense finance/consulting/tech focus that surrounded me at an Ivy (and I'm saying this as a solidly middle class student who won't have any parental financial support post-grad).

Most importantly, I'm a lot mentally healthier -- and so are most of the people around me. Most of my classmates at the Ivy were seeing a therapist or on meds (or oftentimes both). While that still happens at my SLAC, the degree of psychopathology is nowhere near the fever pitch that it was when I was at an Ivy.

Trust me, I know where you guys are coming from. I also have Chinese immigrant tiger parents and went to a competitive high school that encouraged striving for Ivies. My mental health broke down in college and the Ivy forced me to take a year-long leave of absence in the middle of my junior year, where I re-evaluted my priorities and just decided to leave entirely.

In retrospect, that was the best thing that could've happened to me. At my new SLAC (not a hyper-competitive one like Amherst or Williams), I've already been nominated for a departmental award, have very close relationships with my professors, am writing an honors thesis, and got a super-competitive REU for this summer. But most importantly, I'm in an environment where I'm encouraged to define myself without any relation to my achievements and have a wonderfully laid back, non-competitive, and genuinely diverse group of friends.

Most of the people I entered college with (my freshman year at an Ivy) have graduated by now. Their post-grad outcomes are mixed -- some of them have landed the FAANG or IB/MBB gig they've always wanted. But a lot of them -- arguably the majority of the mostly middle-class kids I was friends with -- are in normal jobs, or are underemployed and just trying to figure it out. Many of them are bitter and resentful that they grinded away in high school and spent four years of college surrounded by douchebags, only with no reward at the end.

Think twice about what you want out of the next four years and the rest of your twenties. It's really important that you deliberately make choices with your own sense of agency instead of simply just going with what your parents or the people around you are pressuring you to do.

From this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/1bqr3js/i_dropped_out_of_an_ivy_and_my_life_is_way_better/

The comments reveal that OP went to an Ivy (that is not Cornell), and that the SLAC is ranked in the 20s-30s and is not particularly competitive.

What is DCUM's thoughts on this?

The bolded part is so, so true. I don’t know about the rest of it, but this part is truth.

The only part that rings true is that it would resonate with some losers who come post anonymously here.

What is wrong with you? Why are you so bitter and rude? Are you an advertising exec for the Ivy League?

FYI I'm a Princeton grad. I was first gen/low-income and so were most of my friends. I just had a reunion with my college buddies last month and we all agreed that attending Princeton vs. some other solid school such as a state flagship or a SLAC didn't meaningfully affect our lives. And I know for a fact that I as well as many of my friends would've come out happier and more confident graduating from a state flagship or a nurturing SLAC than Princeton.

I have only my own experience, but I was middle class and made incredible connections at an Ivy. My friends were similar and count 2 public company CEOs, global managing partner of a major consulting firm and co-founder of an investment bank.

You have to know why you are attending these schools and what you want to get out of them.

NP here. Also a middle class Stanford alum who disagrees with you and agrees with the PP. My college friends and I mostly regret not going somewhere else, and I don't think being a Stanford grad helped me in my career at all (medicine).

But then again, I wasn't trying to get into finance/consulting or be buddy-buddy with 1%er rich people in college. I was mostly focused on doing well in school and befriending a kind, genuine group of friends. I would guess that the overlap between the people I drew and the type of 21 year-old who would end up as F500 CEOs or investment bank co-founders probably have little overlap.

In any case, I think the phrase about being bitter and resentful is super, super accurate. I wish I could broadcast it for everyone on DCUM.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm at a SLAC that's known for being very supportive. It's such a refreshing pace after spending five semesters at an Ivy, which my Chinese immigrant parents forced me to choose when I was a senior in high school four years ago since they were thrilled that I got in.

The difference is night and day. The environment is SO much less cutthroat and competitive. Barely any clubs have competitive application processes. The students are so much more friendly and gracious and have much better social skills (which IMO is infinitely more important for success than which college you go to). There's so much more diversity in terms of interests and career goals within the student body -- people are planning on going to vet school or becoming art conservationists or librarians or humanitarian aid workers. It's a real break from the intense finance/consulting/tech focus that surrounded me at an Ivy (and I'm saying this as a solidly middle class student who won't have any parental financial support post-grad).

Most importantly, I'm a lot mentally healthier -- and so are most of the people around me. Most of my classmates at the Ivy were seeing a therapist or on meds (or oftentimes both). While that still happens at my SLAC, the degree of psychopathology is nowhere near the fever pitch that it was when I was at an Ivy.

Trust me, I know where you guys are coming from. I also have Chinese immigrant tiger parents and went to a competitive high school that encouraged striving for Ivies. My mental health broke down in college and the Ivy forced me to take a year-long leave of absence in the middle of my junior year, where I re-evaluted my priorities and just decided to leave entirely.

In retrospect, that was the best thing that could've happened to me. At my new SLAC (not a hyper-competitive one like Amherst or Williams), I've already been nominated for a departmental award, have very close relationships with my professors, am writing an honors thesis, and got a super-competitive REU for this summer. But most importantly, I'm in an environment where I'm encouraged to define myself without any relation to my achievements and have a wonderfully laid back, non-competitive, and genuinely diverse group of friends.

Most of the people I entered college with (my freshman year at an Ivy) have graduated by now. Their post-grad outcomes are mixed -- some of them have landed the FAANG or IB/MBB gig they've always wanted. But a lot of them -- arguably the majority of the mostly middle-class kids I was friends with -- are in normal jobs, or are underemployed and just trying to figure it out. Many of them are bitter and resentful that they grinded away in high school and spent four years of college surrounded by douchebags, only with no reward at the end.

Think twice about what you want out of the next four years and the rest of your twenties. It's really important that you deliberately make choices with your own sense of agency instead of simply just going with what your parents or the people around you are pressuring you to do.

From this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/1bqr3js/i_dropped_out_of_an_ivy_and_my_life_is_way_better/

The comments reveal that OP went to an Ivy (that is not Cornell), and that the SLAC is ranked in the 20s-30s and is not particularly competitive.

What is DCUM's thoughts on this?

The bolded part is so, so true. I don’t know about the rest of it, but this part is truth.

The only part that rings true is that it would resonate with some losers who come post anonymously here.

I went to HYPS. And I know it’s true.

[Anonymous]

My 22 years old DS is about to graduate from Harvard with a degree in economics and is still jobless.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm at a SLAC that's known for being very supportive. It's such a refreshing pace after spending five semesters at an Ivy, which my Chinese immigrant parents forced me to choose when I was a senior in high school four years ago since they were thrilled that I got in.

The difference is night and day. The environment is SO much less cutthroat and competitive. Barely any clubs have competitive application processes. The students are so much more friendly and gracious and have much better social skills (which IMO is infinitely more important for success than which college you go to). There's so much more diversity in terms of interests and career goals within the student body -- people are planning on going to vet school or becoming art conservationists or librarians or humanitarian aid workers. It's a real break from the intense finance/consulting/tech focus that surrounded me at an Ivy (and I'm saying this as a solidly middle class student who won't have any parental financial support post-grad).

Most importantly, I'm a lot mentally healthier -- and so are most of the people around me. Most of my classmates at the Ivy were seeing a therapist or on meds (or oftentimes both). While that still happens at my SLAC, the degree of psychopathology is nowhere near the fever pitch that it was when I was at an Ivy.

Trust me, I know where you guys are coming from. I also have Chinese immigrant tiger parents and went to a competitive high school that encouraged striving for Ivies. My mental health broke down in college and the Ivy forced me to take a year-long leave of absence in the middle of my junior year, where I re-evaluted my priorities and just decided to leave entirely.

In retrospect, that was the best thing that could've happened to me. At my new SLAC (not a hyper-competitive one like Amherst or Williams), I've already been nominated for a departmental award, have very close relationships with my professors, am writing an honors thesis, and got a super-competitive REU for this summer. But most importantly, I'm in an environment where I'm encouraged to define myself without any relation to my achievements and have a wonderfully laid back, non-competitive, and genuinely diverse group of friends.

Most of the people I entered college with (my freshman year at an Ivy) have graduated by now. Their post-grad outcomes are mixed -- some of them have landed the FAANG or IB/MBB gig they've always wanted. But a lot of them -- arguably the majority of the mostly middle-class kids I was friends with -- are in normal jobs, or are underemployed and just trying to figure it out. Many of them are bitter and resentful that they grinded away in high school and spent four years of college surrounded by douchebags, only with no reward at the end.

Think twice about what you want out of the next four years and the rest of your twenties. It's really important that you deliberately make choices with your own sense of agency instead of simply just going with what your parents or the people around you are pressuring you to do.

From this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/1bqr3js/i_dropped_out_of_an_ivy_and_my_life_is_way_better/

The comments reveal that OP went to an Ivy (that is not Cornell), and that the SLAC is ranked in the 20s-30s and is not particularly competitive.

What is DCUM's thoughts on this?

The bolded part is so, so true. I don’t know about the rest of it, but this part is truth.

The only part that rings true is that it would resonate with some losers who come post anonymously here.

I went to HYPS. And I know it’s true.

+1

Yale grad here, totally true

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 22 years old DS is about to graduate from Harvard with a degree in economics and is still jobless.

Troll fail

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Feedback here so helpful.

Have a kid deciding between Middlebury, Colgate, Michigan and Cornell for environmental studies/econ.
How would you advise?

Quiet, smart, observant, and curious kid who has close relationships with peers and teachers - as time /course evolves. Not a hyper-competitive or braggy sharp elbowed or overly-confident kid. Not really interested in FANG, or finance but consulting or strategy type corporate roles are more interesting.

For that major…Cornell should be ok.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Feedback here so helpful.

Have a kid deciding between Middlebury, Colgate, Michigan and Cornell for environmental studies/econ.
How would you advise?

Quiet, smart, observant, and curious kid who has close relationships with peers and teachers - as time /course evolves. Not a hyper-competitive or braggy sharp elbowed or overly-confident kid. Not really interested in FANG, or finance but consulting or strategy type corporate roles are more interesting.

For that major…Cornell should be ok.

Cornell? Sounds like a SLAC kid all the way, but not Colgate. Choose Middlebury.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm at a SLAC that's known for being very supportive. It's such a refreshing pace after spending five semesters at an Ivy, which my Chinese immigrant parents forced me to choose when I was a senior in high school four years ago since they were thrilled that I got in.

The difference is night and day. The environment is SO much less cutthroat and competitive. Barely any clubs have competitive application processes. The students are so much more friendly and gracious and have much better social skills (which IMO is infinitely more important for success than which college you go to). There's so much more diversity in terms of interests and career goals within the student body -- people are planning on going to vet school or becoming art conservationists or librarians or humanitarian aid workers. It's a real break from the intense finance/consulting/tech focus that surrounded me at an Ivy (and I'm saying this as a solidly middle class student who won't have any parental financial support post-grad).

Most importantly, I'm a lot mentally healthier -- and so are most of the people around me. Most of my classmates at the Ivy were seeing a therapist or on meds (or oftentimes both). While that still happens at my SLAC, the degree of psychopathology is nowhere near the fever pitch that it was when I was at an Ivy.

Trust me, I know where you guys are coming from. I also have Chinese immigrant tiger parents and went to a competitive high school that encouraged striving for Ivies. My mental health broke down in college and the Ivy forced me to take a year-long leave of absence in the middle of my junior year, where I re-evaluted my priorities and just decided to leave entirely.

In retrospect, that was the best thing that could've happened to me. At my new SLAC (not a hyper-competitive one like Amherst or Williams), I've already been nominated for a departmental award, have very close relationships with my professors, am writing an honors thesis, and got a super-competitive REU for this summer. But most importantly, I'm in an environment where I'm encouraged to define myself without any relation to my achievements and have a wonderfully laid back, non-competitive, and genuinely diverse group of friends.

Most of the people I entered college with (my freshman year at an Ivy) have graduated by now. Their post-grad outcomes are mixed -- some of them have landed the FAANG or IB/MBB gig they've always wanted. But a lot of them -- arguably the majority of the mostly middle-class kids I was friends with -- are in normal jobs, or are underemployed and just trying to figure it out. Many of them are bitter and resentful that they grinded away in high school and spent four years of college surrounded by douchebags, only with no reward at the end.

Think twice about what you want out of the next four years and the rest of your twenties. It's really important that you deliberately make choices with your own sense of agency instead of simply just going with what your parents or the people around you are pressuring you to do.

From this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/1bqr3js/i_dropped_out_of_an_ivy_and_my_life_is_way_better/

The comments reveal that OP went to an Ivy (that is not Cornell), and that the SLAC is ranked in the 20s-30s and is not particularly competitive.

What is DCUM's thoughts on this?

The bolded part is so, so true. I don’t know about the rest of it, but this part is truth.

The only part that rings true is that it would resonate with some losers who come post anonymously here.

What is wrong with you? Why are you so bitter and rude? Are you an advertising exec for the Ivy League?

FYI I'm a Princeton grad. I was first gen/low-income and so were most of my friends. I just had a reunion with my college buddies last month and we all agreed that attending Princeton vs. some other solid school such as a state flagship or a SLAC didn't meaningfully affect our lives. And I know for a fact that I as well as many of my friends would've come out happier and more confident graduating from a state flagship or a nurturing SLAC than Princeton.

I have only my own experience, but I was middle class and made incredible connections at an Ivy. My friends were similar and count 2 public company CEOs, global managing partner of a major consulting firm and co-founder of an investment bank.

You have to know why you are attending these schools and what you want to get out of them.

NP here. Also a middle class Stanford alum who disagrees with you and agrees with the PP. My college friends and I mostly regret not going somewhere else, and I don't think being a Stanford grad helped me in my career at all (medicine).

But then again, I wasn't trying to get into finance/consulting or be buddy-buddy with 1%er rich people in college. I was mostly focused on doing well in school and befriending a kind, genuine group of friends. I would guess that the overlap between the people I drew and the type of 21 year-old who would end up as F500 CEOs or investment bank co-founders probably have little overlap.

In any case, I think the phrase about being bitter and resentful is super, super accurate. I wish I could broadcast it for everyone on DCUM.

You are indirectly agreeing with me. You didn’t understand the point of Stanford and what it could do for you.

Why would you think Stanford undergrad would do anything special for you if you just planned to go to med school?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm at a SLAC that's known for being very supportive. It's such a refreshing pace after spending five semesters at an Ivy, which my Chinese immigrant parents forced me to choose when I was a senior in high school four years ago since they were thrilled that I got in.

The difference is night and day. The environment is SO much less cutthroat and competitive. Barely any clubs have competitive application processes. The students are so much more friendly and gracious and have much better social skills (which IMO is infinitely more important for success than which college you go to). There's so much more diversity in terms of interests and career goals within the student body -- people are planning on going to vet school or becoming art conservationists or librarians or humanitarian aid workers. It's a real break from the intense finance/consulting/tech focus that surrounded me at an Ivy (and I'm saying this as a solidly middle class student who won't have any parental financial support post-grad).

Most importantly, I'm a lot mentally healthier -- and so are most of the people around me. Most of my classmates at the Ivy were seeing a therapist or on meds (or oftentimes both). While that still happens at my SLAC, the degree of psychopathology is nowhere near the fever pitch that it was when I was at an Ivy.

Trust me, I know where you guys are coming from. I also have Chinese immigrant tiger parents and went to a competitive high school that encouraged striving for Ivies. My mental health broke down in college and the Ivy forced me to take a year-long leave of absence in the middle of my junior year, where I re-evaluted my priorities and just decided to leave entirely.

In retrospect, that was the best thing that could've happened to me. At my new SLAC (not a hyper-competitive one like Amherst or Williams), I've already been nominated for a departmental award, have very close relationships with my professors, am writing an honors thesis, and got a super-competitive REU for this summer. But most importantly, I'm in an environment where I'm encouraged to define myself without any relation to my achievements and have a wonderfully laid back, non-competitive, and genuinely diverse group of friends.

Most of the people I entered college with (my freshman year at an Ivy) have graduated by now. Their post-grad outcomes are mixed -- some of them have landed the FAANG or IB/MBB gig they've always wanted. But a lot of them -- arguably the majority of the mostly middle-class kids I was friends with -- are in normal jobs, or are underemployed and just trying to figure it out. Many of them are bitter and resentful that they grinded away in high school and spent four years of college surrounded by douchebags, only with no reward at the end.

Think twice about what you want out of the next four years and the rest of your twenties. It's really important that you deliberately make choices with your own sense of agency instead of simply just going with what your parents or the people around you are pressuring you to do.

From this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/1bqr3js/i_dropped_out_of_an_ivy_and_my_life_is_way_better/

The comments reveal that OP went to an Ivy (that is not Cornell), and that the SLAC is ranked in the 20s-30s and is not particularly competitive.

What is DCUM's thoughts on this?

The bolded part is so, so true. I don’t know about the rest of it, but this part is truth.

The only part that rings true is that it would resonate with some losers who come post anonymously here.

What is wrong with you? Why are you so bitter and rude? Are you an advertising exec for the Ivy League?

FYI I'm a Princeton grad. I was first gen/low-income and so were most of my friends. I just had a reunion with my college buddies last month and we all agreed that attending Princeton vs. some other solid school such as a state flagship or a SLAC didn't meaningfully affect our lives. And I know for a fact that I as well as many of my friends would've come out happier and more confident graduating from a state flagship or a nurturing SLAC than Princeton.

I have only my own experience, but I was middle class and made incredible connections at an Ivy. My friends were similar and count 2 public company CEOs, global managing partner of a major consulting firm and co-founder of an investment bank.

You have to know why you are attending these schools and what you want to get out of them.

NP here. Also a middle class Stanford alum who disagrees with you and agrees with the PP. My college friends and I mostly regret not going somewhere else, and I don't think being a Stanford grad helped me in my career at all (medicine).

But then again, I wasn't trying to get into finance/consulting or be buddy-buddy with 1%er rich people in college. I was mostly focused on doing well in school and befriending a kind, genuine group of friends. I would guess that the overlap between the people I drew and the type of 21 year-old who would end up as F500 CEOs or investment bank co-founders probably have little overlap.

In any case, I think the phrase about being bitter and resentful is super, super accurate. I wish I could broadcast it for everyone on DCUM.

You are indirectly agreeing with me. You didn’t understand the point of Stanford and what it could do for you.

Why would you think Stanford undergrad would do anything special for you if you just planned to go to med school?

At least when I went to Stanford in the early 2000s, pre-med was one of the most (if not the most) popular paths for undergrads. Are you saying that Stanford should stop graduating doctors?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm at a SLAC that's known for being very supportive. It's such a refreshing pace after spending five semesters at an Ivy, which my Chinese immigrant parents forced me to choose when I was a senior in high school four years ago since they were thrilled that I got in.

The difference is night and day. The environment is SO much less cutthroat and competitive. Barely any clubs have competitive application processes. The students are so much more friendly and gracious and have much better social skills (which IMO is infinitely more important for success than which college you go to). There's so much more diversity in terms of interests and career goals within the student body -- people are planning on going to vet school or becoming art conservationists or librarians or humanitarian aid workers. It's a real break from the intense finance/consulting/tech focus that surrounded me at an Ivy (and I'm saying this as a solidly middle class student who won't have any parental financial support post-grad).

Most importantly, I'm a lot mentally healthier -- and so are most of the people around me. Most of my classmates at the Ivy were seeing a therapist or on meds (or oftentimes both). While that still happens at my SLAC, the degree of psychopathology is nowhere near the fever pitch that it was when I was at an Ivy.

Trust me, I know where you guys are coming from. I also have Chinese immigrant tiger parents and went to a competitive high school that encouraged striving for Ivies. My mental health broke down in college and the Ivy forced me to take a year-long leave of absence in the middle of my junior year, where I re-evaluted my priorities and just decided to leave entirely.

In retrospect, that was the best thing that could've happened to me. At my new SLAC (not a hyper-competitive one like Amherst or Williams), I've already been nominated for a departmental award, have very close relationships with my professors, am writing an honors thesis, and got a super-competitive REU for this summer. But most importantly, I'm in an environment where I'm encouraged to define myself without any relation to my achievements and have a wonderfully laid back, non-competitive, and genuinely diverse group of friends.

Most of the people I entered college with (my freshman year at an Ivy) have graduated by now. Their post-grad outcomes are mixed -- some of them have landed the FAANG or IB/MBB gig they've always wanted. But a lot of them -- arguably the majority of the mostly middle-class kids I was friends with -- are in normal jobs, or are underemployed and just trying to figure it out. Many of them are bitter and resentful that they grinded away in high school and spent four years of college surrounded by douchebags, only with no reward at the end.

Think twice about what you want out of the next four years and the rest of your twenties. It's really important that you deliberately make choices with your own sense of agency instead of simply just going with what your parents or the people around you are pressuring you to do.

From this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/1bqr3js/i_dropped_out_of_an_ivy_and_my_life_is_way_better/

The comments reveal that OP went to an Ivy (that is not Cornell), and that the SLAC is ranked in the 20s-30s and is not particularly competitive.

What is DCUM's thoughts on this?

Colorado College or Macalester?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I'm at a SLAC that's known for being very supportive. It's such a refreshing pace after spending five semesters at an Ivy, which my Chinese immigrant parents forced me to choose when I was a senior in high school four years ago since they were thrilled that I got in.

The difference is night and day. The environment is SO much less cutthroat and competitive. Barely any clubs have competitive application processes. The students are so much more friendly and gracious and have much better social skills (which IMO is infinitely more important for success than which college you go to). There's so much more diversity in terms of interests and career goals within the student body -- people are planning on going to vet school or becoming art conservationists or librarians or humanitarian aid workers. It's a real break from the intense finance/consulting/tech focus that surrounded me at an Ivy (and I'm saying this as a solidly middle class student who won't have any parental financial support post-grad).

Most importantly, I'm a lot mentally healthier -- and so are most of the people around me. Most of my classmates at the Ivy were seeing a therapist or on meds (or oftentimes both). While that still happens at my SLAC, the degree of psychopathology is nowhere near the fever pitch that it was when I was at an Ivy.

Trust me, I know where you guys are coming from. I also have Chinese immigrant tiger parents and went to a competitive high school that encouraged striving for Ivies. My mental health broke down in college and the Ivy forced me to take a year-long leave of absence in the middle of my junior year, where I re-evaluted my priorities and just decided to leave entirely.

In retrospect, that was the best thing that could've happened to me. At my new SLAC (not a hyper-competitive one like Amherst or Williams), I've already been nominated for a departmental award, have very close relationships with my professors, am writing an honors thesis, and got a super-competitive REU for this summer. But most importantly, I'm in an environment where I'm encouraged to define myself without any relation to my achievements and have a wonderfully laid back, non-competitive, and genuinely diverse group of friends.

Most of the people I entered college with (my freshman year at an Ivy) have graduated by now. Their post-grad outcomes are mixed -- some of them have landed the FAANG or IB/MBB gig they've always wanted. But a lot of them -- arguably the majority of the mostly middle-class kids I was friends with -- are in normal jobs, or are underemployed and just trying to figure it out. Many of them are bitter and resentful that they grinded away in high school and spent four years of college surrounded by douchebags, only with no reward at the end.

Think twice about what you want out of the next four years and the rest of your twenties. It's really important that you deliberately make choices with your own sense of agency instead of simply just going with what your parents or the people around you are pressuring you to do.

From this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/1bqr3js/i_dropped_out_of_an_ivy_and_my_life_is_way_better/

The comments reveal that OP went to an Ivy (that is not Cornell), and that the SLAC is ranked in the 20s-30s and is not particularly competitive.

What is DCUM's thoughts on this?

The bolded part is so, so true. I don’t know about the rest of it, but this part is truth.

The only part that rings true is that it would resonate with some losers who come post anonymously here.

I went to HYPS. And I know it’s true.

I went to HYPS and i think it’s a load of self serving tripe.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm at a SLAC that's known for being very supportive. It's such a refreshing pace after spending five semesters at an Ivy, which my Chinese immigrant parents forced me to choose when I was a senior in high school four years ago since they were thrilled that I got in.

The difference is night and day. The environment is SO much less cutthroat and competitive. Barely any clubs have competitive application processes. The students are so much more friendly and gracious and have much better social skills (which IMO is infinitely more important for success than which college you go to). There's so much more diversity in terms of interests and career goals within the student body -- people are planning on going to vet school or becoming art conservationists or librarians or humanitarian aid workers. It's a real break from the intense finance/consulting/tech focus that surrounded me at an Ivy (and I'm saying this as a solidly middle class student who won't have any parental financial support post-grad).

Most importantly, I'm a lot mentally healthier -- and so are most of the people around me. Most of my classmates at the Ivy were seeing a therapist or on meds (or oftentimes both). While that still happens at my SLAC, the degree of psychopathology is nowhere near the fever pitch that it was when I was at an Ivy.

Trust me, I know where you guys are coming from. I also have Chinese immigrant tiger parents and went to a competitive high school that encouraged striving for Ivies. My mental health broke down in college and the Ivy forced me to take a year-long leave of absence in the middle of my junior year, where I re-evaluted my priorities and just decided to leave entirely.

In retrospect, that was the best thing that could've happened to me. At my new SLAC (not a hyper-competitive one like Amherst or Williams), I've already been nominated for a departmental award, have very close relationships with my professors, am writing an honors thesis, and got a super-competitive REU for this summer. But most importantly, I'm in an environment where I'm encouraged to define myself without any relation to my achievements and have a wonderfully laid back, non-competitive, and genuinely diverse group of friends.

Most of the people I entered college with (my freshman year at an Ivy) have graduated by now. Their post-grad outcomes are mixed -- some of them have landed the FAANG or IB/MBB gig they've always wanted. But a lot of them -- arguably the majority of the mostly middle-class kids I was friends with -- are in normal jobs, or are underemployed and just trying to figure it out. Many of them are bitter and resentful that they grinded away in high school and spent four years of college surrounded by douchebags, only with no reward at the end.

Think twice about what you want out of the next four years and the rest of your twenties. It's really important that you deliberately make choices with your own sense of agency instead of simply just going with what your parents or the people around you are pressuring you to do.

From this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/1bqr3js/i_dropped_out_of_an_ivy_and_my_life_is_way_better/

The comments reveal that OP went to an Ivy (that is not Cornell), and that the SLAC is ranked in the 20s-30s and is not particularly competitive.

What is DCUM's thoughts on this?

The bolded part is so, so true. I don’t know about the rest of it, but this part is truth.

The only part that rings true is that it would resonate with some losers who come post anonymously here.

What is wrong with you? Why are you so bitter and rude? Are you an advertising exec for the Ivy League?

FYI I'm a Princeton grad. I was first gen/low-income and so were most of my friends. I just had a reunion with my college buddies last month and we all agreed that attending Princeton vs. some other solid school such as a state flagship or a SLAC didn't meaningfully affect our lives. And I know for a fact that I as well as many of my friends would've come out happier and more confident graduating from a state flagship or a nurturing SLAC than Princeton.

I have only my own experience, but I was middle class and made incredible connections at an Ivy. My friends were similar and count 2 public company CEOs, global managing partner of a major consulting firm and co-founder of an investment bank.

You have to know why you are attending these schools and what you want to get out of them.

NP here. Also a middle class Stanford alum who disagrees with you and agrees with the PP. My college friends and I mostly regret not going somewhere else, and I don't think being a Stanford grad helped me in my career at all (medicine).

But then again, I wasn't trying to get into finance/consulting or be buddy-buddy with 1%er rich people in college. I was mostly focused on doing well in school and befriending a kind, genuine group of friends. I would guess that the overlap between the people I drew and the type of 21 year-old who would end up as F500 CEOs or investment bank co-founders probably have little overlap.

In any case, I think the phrase about being bitter and resentful is super, super accurate. I wish I could broadcast it for everyone on DCUM.

You are indirectly agreeing with me. You didn’t understand the point of Stanford and what it could do for you.

Why would you think Stanford undergrad would do anything special for you if you just planned to go to med school?

At least when I went to Stanford in the early 2000s, pre-med was one of the most (if not the most) popular paths for undergrads. Are you saying that Stanford should stop graduating doctors?

No, I am saying it is foolish to think your undergrad school will impact your career if you decide to go to Med school.

Do you honestly believe that your career as a doctor is impacted by your undergraduate school? Clearly, your specialty, residency and internship take precedence. I am not even sure med school is a differentiator though maybe that does impact the other things (I don’t know).