Interesting Read: "I dropped out of an Ivy and my life is way better for it"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, I'm in total agreement with you. Sadly, I think the majority of people here on this board are just way too obsessed with the Ivies and perceived prestige that they will not hear (want to hear) this message.

I'd like to think the majority of people on this board have an appropriate appreciation of the top schools, a realistic understanding of the difficulty of getting into one now, enough grace to congratulate those who are happy their kids were admitted to one, and sufficient self-confidence and belief in their own kids to be happy with wherever their kids end up.

However, it's clear there's a significant minority of people who lack those traits, and their behavior manifests itself at both extremes - either acting like only Harvard and Stanford are worthy of recognition or doing everything they can to denigrate T20 schools constantly. They tend to be more obsessed and more vocal, but if I felt they were really representative of the majority of people on this board I'd lose too much faith in humanity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What a refreshing read. Reminds me of my own experience at a SLAC long, long ago.

+1

[Anonymous]

This was exactly why I attended an SLAC, it was wonderful and I was more than prepared for grad school.

[Anonymous]

Dumb article, classic "preaching to the choir" stuff.

[Anonymous]

Feedback here so helpful.

Have a kid deciding between Middlebury, Colgate, Michigan and Cornell for environmental studies/econ.
How would you advise?

Quiet, smart, observant, and curious kid who has close relationships with peers and teachers - as time /course evolves. Not a hyper-competitive or braggy sharp elbowed or overly-confident kid. Not really interested in FANG, or finance but consulting or strategy type corporate roles are more interesting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm at a SLAC that's known for being very supportive. It's such a refreshing pace after spending five semesters at an Ivy, which my Chinese immigrant parents forced me to choose when I was a senior in high school four years ago since they were thrilled that I got in.

The difference is night and day. The environment is SO much less cutthroat and competitive. Barely any clubs have competitive application processes. The students are so much more friendly and gracious and have much better social skills (which IMO is infinitely more important for success than which college you go to). There's so much more diversity in terms of interests and career goals within the student body -- people are planning on going to vet school or becoming art conservationists or librarians or humanitarian aid workers. It's a real break from the intense finance/consulting/tech focus that surrounded me at an Ivy (and I'm saying this as a solidly middle class student who won't have any parental financial support post-grad).

Most importantly, I'm a lot mentally healthier -- and so are most of the people around me. Most of my classmates at the Ivy were seeing a therapist or on meds (or oftentimes both). While that still happens at my SLAC, the degree of psychopathology is nowhere near the fever pitch that it was when I was at an Ivy.

Trust me, I know where you guys are coming from. I also have Chinese immigrant tiger parents and went to a competitive high school that encouraged striving for Ivies. My mental health broke down in college and the Ivy forced me to take a year-long leave of absence in the middle of my junior year, where I re-evaluted my priorities and just decided to leave entirely.

In retrospect, that was the best thing that could've happened to me. At my new SLAC (not a hyper-competitive one like Amherst or Williams), I've already been nominated for a departmental award, have very close relationships with my professors, am writing an honors thesis, and got a super-competitive REU for this summer. But most importantly, I'm in an environment where I'm encouraged to define myself without any relation to my achievements and have a wonderfully laid back, non-competitive, and genuinely diverse group of friends.

Most of the people I entered college with (my freshman year at an Ivy) have graduated by now. Their post-grad outcomes are mixed -- some of them have landed the FAANG or IB/MBB gig they've always wanted. But a lot of them -- arguably the majority of the mostly middle-class kids I was friends with -- are in normal jobs, or are underemployed and just trying to figure it out. Many of them are bitter and resentful that they grinded away in high school and spent four years of college surrounded by douchebags, only with no reward at the end.

Think twice about what you want out of the next four years and the rest of your twenties. It's really important that you deliberately make choices with your own sense of agency instead of simply just going with what your parents or the people around you are pressuring you to do.

From this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/1bqr3js/i_dropped_out_of_an_ivy_and_my_life_is_way_better/

The comments reveal that OP went to an Ivy (that is not Cornell), and that the SLAC is ranked in the 20s-30s and is not particularly competitive.

What is DCUM's thoughts on this?

The bolded part is so, so true. I don’t know about the rest of it, but this part is truth.

[Anonymous]

Which slac

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm at a SLAC that's known for being very supportive. It's such a refreshing pace after spending five semesters at an Ivy, which my Chinese immigrant parents forced me to choose when I was a senior in high school four years ago since they were thrilled that I got in.

The difference is night and day. The environment is SO much less cutthroat and competitive. Barely any clubs have competitive application processes. The students are so much more friendly and gracious and have much better social skills (which IMO is infinitely more important for success than which college you go to). There's so much more diversity in terms of interests and career goals within the student body -- people are planning on going to vet school or becoming art conservationists or librarians or humanitarian aid workers. It's a real break from the intense finance/consulting/tech focus that surrounded me at an Ivy (and I'm saying this as a solidly middle class student who won't have any parental financial support post-grad).

Most importantly, I'm a lot mentally healthier -- and so are most of the people around me. Most of my classmates at the Ivy were seeing a therapist or on meds (or oftentimes both). While that still happens at my SLAC, the degree of psychopathology is nowhere near the fever pitch that it was when I was at an Ivy.

Trust me, I know where you guys are coming from. I also have Chinese immigrant tiger parents and went to a competitive high school that encouraged striving for Ivies. My mental health broke down in college and the Ivy forced me to take a year-long leave of absence in the middle of my junior year, where I re-evaluted my priorities and just decided to leave entirely.

In retrospect, that was the best thing that could've happened to me. At my new SLAC (not a hyper-competitive one like Amherst or Williams), I've already been nominated for a departmental award, have very close relationships with my professors, am writing an honors thesis, and got a super-competitive REU for this summer. But most importantly, I'm in an environment where I'm encouraged to define myself without any relation to my achievements and have a wonderfully laid back, non-competitive, and genuinely diverse group of friends.

Most of the people I entered college with (my freshman year at an Ivy) have graduated by now. Their post-grad outcomes are mixed -- some of them have landed the FAANG or IB/MBB gig they've always wanted. But a lot of them -- arguably the majority of the mostly middle-class kids I was friends with -- are in normal jobs, or are underemployed and just trying to figure it out. Many of them are bitter and resentful that they grinded away in high school and spent four years of college surrounded by douchebags, only with no reward at the end.

Think twice about what you want out of the next four years and the rest of your twenties. It's really important that you deliberately make choices with your own sense of agency instead of simply just going with what your parents or the people around you are pressuring you to do.

From this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/1bqr3js/i_dropped_out_of_an_ivy_and_my_life_is_way_better/

The comments reveal that OP went to an Ivy (that is not Cornell), and that the SLAC is ranked in the 20s-30s and is not particularly competitive.

What is DCUM's thoughts on this?

The bolded part is so, so true. I don’t know about the rest of it, but this part is truth.

The only part that rings true is that it would resonate with some losers who come post anonymously here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm at a SLAC that's known for being very supportive. It's such a refreshing pace after spending five semesters at an Ivy, which my Chinese immigrant parents forced me to choose when I was a senior in high school four years ago since they were thrilled that I got in.

The difference is night and day. The environment is SO much less cutthroat and competitive. Barely any clubs have competitive application processes. The students are so much more friendly and gracious and have much better social skills (which IMO is infinitely more important for success than which college you go to). There's so much more diversity in terms of interests and career goals within the student body -- people are planning on going to vet school or becoming art conservationists or librarians or humanitarian aid workers. It's a real break from the intense finance/consulting/tech focus that surrounded me at an Ivy (and I'm saying this as a solidly middle class student who won't have any parental financial support post-grad).

Most importantly, I'm a lot mentally healthier -- and so are most of the people around me. Most of my classmates at the Ivy were seeing a therapist or on meds (or oftentimes both). While that still happens at my SLAC, the degree of psychopathology is nowhere near the fever pitch that it was when I was at an Ivy.

Trust me, I know where you guys are coming from. I also have Chinese immigrant tiger parents and went to a competitive high school that encouraged striving for Ivies. My mental health broke down in college and the Ivy forced me to take a year-long leave of absence in the middle of my junior year, where I re-evaluted my priorities and just decided to leave entirely.

In retrospect, that was the best thing that could've happened to me. At my new SLAC (not a hyper-competitive one like Amherst or Williams), I've already been nominated for a departmental award, have very close relationships with my professors, am writing an honors thesis, and got a super-competitive REU for this summer. But most importantly, I'm in an environment where I'm encouraged to define myself without any relation to my achievements and have a wonderfully laid back, non-competitive, and genuinely diverse group of friends.

Most of the people I entered college with (my freshman year at an Ivy) have graduated by now. Their post-grad outcomes are mixed -- some of them have landed the FAANG or IB/MBB gig they've always wanted. But a lot of them -- arguably the majority of the mostly middle-class kids I was friends with -- are in normal jobs, or are underemployed and just trying to figure it out. Many of them are bitter and resentful that they grinded away in high school and spent four years of college surrounded by douchebags, only with no reward at the end.

Think twice about what you want out of the next four years and the rest of your twenties. It's really important that you deliberately make choices with your own sense of agency instead of simply just going with what your parents or the people around you are pressuring you to do.

From this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/1bqr3js/i_dropped_out_of_an_ivy_and_my_life_is_way_better/

The comments reveal that OP went to an Ivy (that is not Cornell), and that the SLAC is ranked in the 20s-30s and is not particularly competitive.

What is DCUM's thoughts on this?

The bolded part is so, so true. I don’t know about the rest of it, but this part is truth.

The only part that rings true is that it would resonate with some losers who come post anonymously here.

What is wrong with you? Why are you so bitter and rude? Are you an advertising exec for the Ivy League?

FYI I'm a Princeton grad. I was first gen/low-income and so were most of my friends. I just had a reunion with my college buddies last month and we all agreed that attending Princeton vs. some other solid school such as a state flagship or a SLAC didn't meaningfully affect our lives. And I know for a fact that I as well as many of my friends would've come out happier and more confident graduating from a state flagship or a nurturing SLAC than Princeton.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm at a SLAC that's known for being very supportive. It's such a refreshing pace after spending five semesters at an Ivy, which my Chinese immigrant parents forced me to choose when I was a senior in high school four years ago since they were thrilled that I got in.

The difference is night and day. The environment is SO much less cutthroat and competitive. Barely any clubs have competitive application processes. The students are so much more friendly and gracious and have much better social skills (which IMO is infinitely more important for success than which college you go to). There's so much more diversity in terms of interests and career goals within the student body -- people are planning on going to vet school or becoming art conservationists or librarians or humanitarian aid workers. It's a real break from the intense finance/consulting/tech focus that surrounded me at an Ivy (and I'm saying this as a solidly middle class student who won't have any parental financial support post-grad).

Most importantly, I'm a lot mentally healthier -- and so are most of the people around me. Most of my classmates at the Ivy were seeing a therapist or on meds (or oftentimes both). While that still happens at my SLAC, the degree of psychopathology is nowhere near the fever pitch that it was when I was at an Ivy.

Trust me, I know where you guys are coming from. I also have Chinese immigrant tiger parents and went to a competitive high school that encouraged striving for Ivies. My mental health broke down in college and the Ivy forced me to take a year-long leave of absence in the middle of my junior year, where I re-evaluted my priorities and just decided to leave entirely.

In retrospect, that was the best thing that could've happened to me. At my new SLAC (not a hyper-competitive one like Amherst or Williams), I've already been nominated for a departmental award, have very close relationships with my professors, am writing an honors thesis, and got a super-competitive REU for this summer. But most importantly, I'm in an environment where I'm encouraged to define myself without any relation to my achievements and have a wonderfully laid back, non-competitive, and genuinely diverse group of friends.

Most of the people I entered college with (my freshman year at an Ivy) have graduated by now. Their post-grad outcomes are mixed -- some of them have landed the FAANG or IB/MBB gig they've always wanted. But a lot of them -- arguably the majority of the mostly middle-class kids I was friends with -- are in normal jobs, or are underemployed and just trying to figure it out. Many of them are bitter and resentful that they grinded away in high school and spent four years of college surrounded by douchebags, only with no reward at the end.

Think twice about what you want out of the next four years and the rest of your twenties. It's really important that you deliberately make choices with your own sense of agency instead of simply just going with what your parents or the people around you are pressuring you to do.

From this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/1bqr3js/i_dropped_out_of_an_ivy_and_my_life_is_way_better/

The comments reveal that OP went to an Ivy (that is not Cornell), and that the SLAC is ranked in the 20s-30s and is not particularly competitive.

What is DCUM's thoughts on this?

The bolded part is so, so true. I don’t know about the rest of it, but this part is truth.

The only part that rings true is that it would resonate with some losers who come post anonymously here.

What is wrong with you? Why are you so bitter and rude? Are you an advertising exec for the Ivy League?

FYI I'm a Princeton grad. I was first gen/low-income and so were most of my friends. I just had a reunion with my college buddies last month and we all agreed that attending Princeton vs. some other solid school such as a state flagship or a SLAC didn't meaningfully affect our lives. And I know for a fact that I as well as many of my friends would've come out happier and more confident graduating from a state flagship or a nurturing SLAC than Princeton.

I have only my own experience, but I was middle class and made incredible connections at an Ivy. My friends were similar and count 2 public company CEOs, global managing partner of a major consulting firm and co-founder of an investment bank.

You have to know why you are attending these schools and what you want to get out of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Feedback here so helpful.

Have a kid deciding between Middlebury, Colgate, Michigan and Cornell for environmental studies/econ.
How would you advise?

Quiet, smart, observant, and curious kid who has close relationships with peers and teachers - as time /course evolves. Not a hyper-competitive or braggy sharp elbowed or overly-confident kid. Not really interested in FANG, or finance but consulting or strategy type corporate roles are more interesting.

Colgate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm at a SLAC that's known for being very supportive. It's such a refreshing pace after spending five semesters at an Ivy, which my Chinese immigrant parents forced me to choose when I was a senior in high school four years ago since they were thrilled that I got in.

The difference is night and day. The environment is SO much less cutthroat and competitive. Barely any clubs have competitive application processes. The students are so much more friendly and gracious and have much better social skills (which IMO is infinitely more important for success than which college you go to). There's so much more diversity in terms of interests and career goals within the student body -- people are planning on going to vet school or becoming art conservationists or librarians or humanitarian aid workers. It's a real break from the intense finance/consulting/tech focus that surrounded me at an Ivy (and I'm saying this as a solidly middle class student who won't have any parental financial support post-grad).

Most importantly, I'm a lot mentally healthier -- and so are most of the people around me. Most of my classmates at the Ivy were seeing a therapist or on meds (or oftentimes both). While that still happens at my SLAC, the degree of psychopathology is nowhere near the fever pitch that it was when I was at an Ivy.

Trust me, I know where you guys are coming from. I also have Chinese immigrant tiger parents and went to a competitive high school that encouraged striving for Ivies. My mental health broke down in college and the Ivy forced me to take a year-long leave of absence in the middle of my junior year, where I re-evaluted my priorities and just decided to leave entirely.

In retrospect, that was the best thing that could've happened to me. At my new SLAC (not a hyper-competitive one like Amherst or Williams), I've already been nominated for a departmental award, have very close relationships with my professors, am writing an honors thesis, and got a super-competitive REU for this summer. But most importantly, I'm in an environment where I'm encouraged to define myself without any relation to my achievements and have a wonderfully laid back, non-competitive, and genuinely diverse group of friends.

Most of the people I entered college with (my freshman year at an Ivy) have graduated by now. Their post-grad outcomes are mixed -- some of them have landed the FAANG or IB/MBB gig they've always wanted. But a lot of them -- arguably the majority of the mostly middle-class kids I was friends with -- are in normal jobs, or are underemployed and just trying to figure it out. Many of them are bitter and resentful that they grinded away in high school and spent four years of college surrounded by douchebags, only with no reward at the end.

Think twice about what you want out of the next four years and the rest of your twenties. It's really important that you deliberately make choices with your own sense of agency instead of simply just going with what your parents or the people around you are pressuring you to do.

From this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/1bqr3js/i_dropped_out_of_an_ivy_and_my_life_is_way_better/

The comments reveal that OP went to an Ivy (that is not Cornell), and that the SLAC is ranked in the 20s-30s and is not particularly competitive.

What is DCUM's thoughts on this?

The bolded part is so, so true. I don’t know about the rest of it, but this part is truth.

The only part that rings true is that it would resonate with some losers who come post anonymously here.

What is wrong with you? Why are you so bitter and rude? Are you an advertising exec for the Ivy League?

FYI I'm a Princeton grad. I was first gen/low-income and so were most of my friends. I just had a reunion with my college buddies last month and we all agreed that attending Princeton vs. some other solid school such as a state flagship or a SLAC didn't meaningfully affect our lives. And I know for a fact that I as well as many of my friends would've come out happier and more confident graduating from a state flagship or a nurturing SLAC than Princeton.

Can’t quite decide if you’re fake or just whiny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Friend’s DD was unhappy and transferred from Cornell to Swarthmore. Was much happier at Swat and currently doing PhD at top program.

💯

Swat is academically tough but it doesn’t have the large number of kids who are “polished gunners pre-professional”

also admin and profs go out of their way to check up on you all the time to see if you are ok

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Feedback here so helpful.

Have a kid deciding between Middlebury, Colgate, Michigan and Cornell for environmental studies/econ.
How would you advise?

Quiet, smart, observant, and curious kid who has close relationships with peers and teachers - as time /course evolves. Not a hyper-competitive or braggy sharp elbowed or overly-confident kid. Not really interested in FANG, or finance but consulting or strategy type corporate roles are more interesting.

Colgate.

Middlebury

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm at a SLAC that's known for being very supportive. It's such a refreshing pace after spending five semesters at an Ivy, which my Chinese immigrant parents forced me to choose when I was a senior in high school four years ago since they were thrilled that I got in.

The difference is night and day. The environment is SO much less cutthroat and competitive. Barely any clubs have competitive application processes. The students are so much more friendly and gracious and have much better social skills (which IMO is infinitely more important for success than which college you go to). There's so much more diversity in terms of interests and career goals within the student body -- people are planning on going to vet school or becoming art conservationists or librarians or humanitarian aid workers. It's a real break from the intense finance/consulting/tech focus that surrounded me at an Ivy (and I'm saying this as a solidly middle class student who won't have any parental financial support post-grad).

Most importantly, I'm a lot mentally healthier -- and so are most of the people around me. Most of my classmates at the Ivy were seeing a therapist or on meds (or oftentimes both). While that still happens at my SLAC, the degree of psychopathology is nowhere near the fever pitch that it was when I was at an Ivy.

Trust me, I know where you guys are coming from. I also have Chinese immigrant tiger parents and went to a competitive high school that encouraged striving for Ivies. My mental health broke down in college and the Ivy forced me to take a year-long leave of absence in the middle of my junior year, where I re-evaluted my priorities and just decided to leave entirely.

In retrospect, that was the best thing that could've happened to me. At my new SLAC (not a hyper-competitive one like Amherst or Williams), I've already been nominated for a departmental award, have very close relationships with my professors, am writing an honors thesis, and got a super-competitive REU for this summer. But most importantly, I'm in an environment where I'm encouraged to define myself without any relation to my achievements and have a wonderfully laid back, non-competitive, and genuinely diverse group of friends.

Most of the people I entered college with (my freshman year at an Ivy) have graduated by now. Their post-grad outcomes are mixed -- some of them have landed the FAANG or IB/MBB gig they've always wanted. But a lot of them -- arguably the majority of the mostly middle-class kids I was friends with -- are in normal jobs, or are underemployed and just trying to figure it out. Many of them are bitter and resentful that they grinded away in high school and spent four years of college surrounded by douchebags, only with no reward at the end.

Think twice about what you want out of the next four years and the rest of your twenties. It's really important that you deliberately make choices with your own sense of agency instead of simply just going with what your parents or the people around you are pressuring you to do.

From this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/1bqr3js/i_dropped_out_of_an_ivy_and_my_life_is_way_better/

The comments reveal that OP went to an Ivy (that is not Cornell), and that the SLAC is ranked in the 20s-30s and is not particularly competitive.

What is DCUM's thoughts on this?

The bolded part is so, so true. I don’t know about the rest of it, but this part is truth.

Yeah it’s true in 2024 from what I’ve heard

It wasn’t like this in 2004 though

Virtually Every middle class public school unhooked kid I know from around my graduating year (+/- 2 years) that went to Penn and had a 3.3 or higher either landed or turned down some remunirative nyc/philly banking role

OCS was handing out interviews and offer rates way easier than it seems today