PSA- people losing weight on injectables ARE “doing the work”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They're doing the easy, lazy "work" to lose weight. You said it yourself that it was easier. Because it is entirely possible for them to lose weight without the meds, but it's harder to overcome that hurdle. And people who do, have done harder work.

What I worry about is that all the people taking these meds will still have a lot of mental/emotional things going on, that they're not dealing with. No one is obese because they just like food - there's something deeper that they need to untangle. And that deeper stuff isn't going to disappear just because you dropped some pants sizes.

2/3 of Americans are overweight or obese. Something else is going on than “deeper emotional stuff.” They can’t all be emotional overeaters.

The rapid rise in obesity/overweight coincides exactly with the governmental and AMA advice to eat low fat diets and the corresponding inclusion in foods labeled low fat of many added sugars. Sugar consumption in America and globally has skyrocketed since the 1950s. Sugar drives insulin resistance and metabolic disorder, which precedes overweight and obesity.

People who cut all added sugars and refined sugars and eat a diet rich in whole unprocessed foods have little trouble losing weight, especially if they also prioritize sleep and moving their bodies.

But people like their sugars and their screens and their sofas and they would rather take an injection to mess up their guts to lose weight instead of doing the 'hard work' of eating food the way nature creates it instead of the way Big Food processes and predigests it.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/01/health/predigested-food-wellness/index.html

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/feb/28/ultra-processed-food-32-harmful-effects-health-review

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone I know who’s on them says it’s like having constant low level nausea. No thanks. I’d rather be 20 lbs overweight. I experienced that enough when I was pregnant.

Nausea is a common side effect and I have experienced it as well. I do have a mini arsenal of meds to counter side effects. Zofran for nausea, Pepcid for heartburn, magnesium for regularity etc. For me personally, the side effects have been extremely manageable. I am someone who cannot stand being nauseous. I’ve experienced maybe 3-4 intermittent experiences with nausea in the 6 or so months I’ve been on meds. All of the side effects have been nbd for me, but ymmv. I am someone who despises being nauseous, so daily nausea for me would not be sustainable.

Sounds great! Did your doctor talk to you about the cardiac side effects of long term use of Zofran? Are you taking an SSRI? You could develop serotonin syndrome mixing those drugs.

Then of course there is the increasing risk of drug induced liver injury, especially in middle aged and older women, people with high BMI and disrupted gut biome - a healthy gut biome is fundamental to healthy processing of toxins in the body.

But hey, losing weight without really trying is worth all that, right?

Oh sorry, I forgot to include the host of negative effects of taking proton pump inhibitors long term, among them the link to 44% increase in risk of developing dementia: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6372031/

You don’t seem to get for people THAT obese, it’s worth these risks and that those risks are less than the risks that come with being obese.

I am happy for all of you that are able to manage their weight without meds. For people like OP, I am happy they have a tool to help them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone I know who’s on them says it’s like having constant low level nausea. No thanks. I’d rather be 20 lbs overweight. I experienced that enough when I was pregnant.

Nausea is a common side effect and I have experienced it as well. I do have a mini arsenal of meds to counter side effects. Zofran for nausea, Pepcid for heartburn, magnesium for regularity etc. For me personally, the side effects have been extremely manageable. I am someone who cannot stand being nauseous. I’ve experienced maybe 3-4 intermittent experiences with nausea in the 6 or so months I’ve been on meds. All of the side effects have been nbd for me, but ymmv. I am someone who despises being nauseous, so daily nausea for me would not be sustainable.

Sounds great! Did your doctor talk to you about the cardiac side effects of long term use of Zofran? Are you taking an SSRI? You could develop serotonin syndrome mixing those drugs.

Then of course there is the increasing risk of drug induced liver injury, especially in middle aged and older women, people with high BMI and disrupted gut biome - a healthy gut biome is fundamental to healthy processing of toxins in the body.

But hey, losing weight without really trying is worth all that, right?

Oh sorry, I forgot to include the host of negative effects of taking proton pump inhibitors long term, among them the link to 44% increase in risk of developing dementia: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6372031/

You don’t seem to get for people THAT obese, it’s worth these risks and that those risks are less than the risks that come with being obese.

I am happy for all of you that are able to manage their weight without meds. For people like OP, I am happy they have a tool to help them.

I want to see all the obese people who truly eat clean, sleep 7-9 hours nightly and move their bodies regularly, including 10,000 steps per day and weight training plus a generally active lifestyle - not one where they spend dozens of hours daily sitting at a desk (you can get a standing or treadmill desk, even if you have to buy it yourself it's well worth the investment in your health) and then going home to sit on the sofa/recliner, and who cannot lose a single pound doing those things religiously.

Then I'll believe they need to take a medicine cabinet full of pharmaceuticals every day to be 'healthy.'

[Anonymous]

I’m too worried about the cancer possibilities. And pancreatitis…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone I know who’s on them says it’s like having constant low level nausea. No thanks. I’d rather be 20 lbs overweight. I experienced that enough when I was pregnant.

Nausea is a common side effect and I have experienced it as well. I do have a mini arsenal of meds to counter side effects. Zofran for nausea, Pepcid for heartburn, magnesium for regularity etc. For me personally, the side effects have been extremely manageable. I am someone who cannot stand being nauseous. I’ve experienced maybe 3-4 intermittent experiences with nausea in the 6 or so months I’ve been on meds. All of the side effects have been nbd for me, but ymmv. I am someone who despises being nauseous, so daily nausea for me would not be sustainable.

Sounds great! Did your doctor talk to you about the cardiac side effects of long term use of Zofran? Are you taking an SSRI? You could develop serotonin syndrome mixing those drugs.

Then of course there is the increasing risk of drug induced liver injury, especially in middle aged and older women, people with high BMI and disrupted gut biome - a healthy gut biome is fundamental to healthy processing of toxins in the body.

But hey, losing weight without really trying is worth all that, right?

Oh sorry, I forgot to include the host of negative effects of taking proton pump inhibitors long term, among them the link to 44% increase in risk of developing dementia: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6372031/

You don’t seem to get for people THAT obese, it’s worth these risks and that those risks are less than the risks that come with being obese.

I am happy for all of you that are able to manage their weight without meds. For people like OP, I am happy they have a tool to help them.

I want to see all the obese people who truly eat clean, sleep 7-9 hours nightly and move their bodies regularly, including 10,000 steps per day and weight training plus a generally active lifestyle - not one where they spend dozens of hours daily sitting at a desk (you can get a standing or treadmill desk, even if you have to buy it yourself it's well worth the investment in your health) and then going home to sit on the sofa/recliner, and who cannot lose a single pound doing those things religiously.

Then I'll believe they need to take a medicine cabinet full of pharmaceuticals every day to be 'healthy.'

:waves: Hi, that describes me. I've lost 40 lbs several times using methods you'd aprove of - and regained it. I don't drink soda or alcohol (or coffee) and haven't for years. I enjoy hiking. I meal prep. My weight loss on Wegovy has been modest but, critically, it has brought me out of the obese category and helped me finally improve my bloodwork. I have a child and don't want to die of a heart attack in my 40s.

Is my lifestyle perfect? Of course not: there aren't hours in the day to do all the exercise I'd like to, plus commute and work, plus take care of kid stuff, plus sleep adequately. But it's ignorant to pretend that obesity only strikes people who watch daytime TV while eating bon bons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone I know who’s on them says it’s like having constant low level nausea. No thanks. I’d rather be 20 lbs overweight. I experienced that enough when I was pregnant.

Nausea is a common side effect and I have experienced it as well. I do have a mini arsenal of meds to counter side effects. Zofran for nausea, Pepcid for heartburn, magnesium for regularity etc. For me personally, the side effects have been extremely manageable. I am someone who cannot stand being nauseous. I’ve experienced maybe 3-4 intermittent experiences with nausea in the 6 or so months I’ve been on meds. All of the side effects have been nbd for me, but ymmv. I am someone who despises being nauseous, so daily nausea for me would not be sustainable.

Sounds great! Did your doctor talk to you about the cardiac side effects of long term use of Zofran? Are you taking an SSRI? You could develop serotonin syndrome mixing those drugs.

Then of course there is the increasing risk of drug induced liver injury, especially in middle aged and older women, people with high BMI and disrupted gut biome - a healthy gut biome is fundamental to healthy processing of toxins in the body.

But hey, losing weight without really trying is worth all that, right?

Oh sorry, I forgot to include the host of negative effects of taking proton pump inhibitors long term, among them the link to 44% increase in risk of developing dementia: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6372031/

You don’t seem to get for people THAT obese, it’s worth these risks and that those risks are less than the risks that come with being obese.

I am happy for all of you that are able to manage their weight without meds. For people like OP, I am happy they have a tool to help them.

I want to see all the obese people who truly eat clean, sleep 7-9 hours nightly and move their bodies regularly, including 10,000 steps per day and weight training plus a generally active lifestyle - not one where they spend dozens of hours daily sitting at a desk (you can get a standing or treadmill desk, even if you have to buy it yourself it's well worth the investment in your health) and then going home to sit on the sofa/recliner, and who cannot lose a single pound doing those things religiously.

Then I'll believe they need to take a medicine cabinet full of pharmaceuticals every day to be 'healthy.'

:waves: Hi, that describes me. I've lost 40 lbs several times using methods you'd aprove of - and regained it. I don't drink soda or alcohol (or coffee) and haven't for years. I enjoy hiking. I meal prep. My weight loss on Wegovy has been modest but, critically, it has brought me out of the obese category and helped me finally improve my bloodwork. I have a child and don't want to die of a heart attack in my 40s.

Is my lifestyle perfect? Of course not: there aren't hours in the day to do all the exercise I'd like to, plus commute and work, plus take care of kid stuff, plus sleep adequately. But it's ignorant to pretend that obesity only strikes people who watch daytime TV while eating bon bons.

If you lost 40 lbs several times by eating clean, sleeping properly and moving your body and then regained the weight repeatedly, you clearly didn't adhere to what are lifestyle changes that should be permanent, not temporary to fit into smaller clothes for whatever compelling reason you had at that time. Your chosen lifestyle is FAR from perfect, it isn't impossible to do the things you did to lose weight because obviously you did them while also commuting and working and taking care of kid stuff, you are just choosing the lazier approach to lifestyle and taking this drug which hopefully won't ruin your gut health permanently. Sleeping, eating clean and moving your body won't ruin your gut health - but you already know that.

I mean, c'mon - at least be honest about your choices. There are lots of people out there who work long hours, do kid care, commute to work and don't fall into the lifetstyle habits that make people fall into obesity. And to be clear, I'm not a skinny pointing fingers at fatties - I'm a fatty myself who takes 100% full responsibility for the lifestyle choices that got me here. Even when I was working 60-80 hour weeks and responsible for keeping a home and kid care on top of that, I had the ability to make much better choices and I didn't make them. I sat on my ass every chance I got, stayed up late watching boob tube or on my smartphone, and I shoveled processed foods down my gullet.

Obesity doesn't happen in a vacuum. It doesn't happen overnight, either. It takes a long time of engaging in bad habits and ignoring the outcomes which are clearly apparent if one just *really* looks in the mirror, or quite obviously as one keeps buying larger and larger sized clothing.

[Anonymous]

“Bad habits”

LOL

[Anonymous]

According to my friend who took the drugs you just stop having an appetite. So no. That’s not doing the work. Because you aren’t hungry. That’s where the work is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone I know who’s on them says it’s like having constant low level nausea. No thanks. I’d rather be 20 lbs overweight. I experienced that enough when I was pregnant.

Nausea is a common side effect and I have experienced it as well. I do have a mini arsenal of meds to counter side effects. Zofran for nausea, Pepcid for heartburn, magnesium for regularity etc. For me personally, the side effects have been extremely manageable. I am someone who cannot stand being nauseous. I’ve experienced maybe 3-4 intermittent experiences with nausea in the 6 or so months I’ve been on meds. All of the side effects have been nbd for me, but ymmv. I am someone who despises being nauseous, so daily nausea for me would not be sustainable.

Sounds great! Did your doctor talk to you about the cardiac side effects of long term use of Zofran? Are you taking an SSRI? You could develop serotonin syndrome mixing those drugs.

Then of course there is the increasing risk of drug induced liver injury, especially in middle aged and older women, people with high BMI and disrupted gut biome - a healthy gut biome is fundamental to healthy processing of toxins in the body.

But hey, losing weight without really trying is worth all that, right?

Fck you.

[Anonymous]

I lost 35 pounds actually doing the work. I don’t doubt the people taking the drugs will put the weight right back on because it’s cheating.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone I know who’s on them says it’s like having constant low level nausea. No thanks. I’d rather be 20 lbs overweight. I experienced that enough when I was pregnant.

Nausea is a common side effect and I have experienced it as well. I do have a mini arsenal of meds to counter side effects. Zofran for nausea, Pepcid for heartburn, magnesium for regularity etc. For me personally, the side effects have been extremely manageable. I am someone who cannot stand being nauseous. I’ve experienced maybe 3-4 intermittent experiences with nausea in the 6 or so months I’ve been on meds. All of the side effects have been nbd for me, but ymmv. I am someone who despises being nauseous, so daily nausea for me would not be sustainable.

Sounds great! Did your doctor talk to you about the cardiac side effects of long term use of Zofran? Are you taking an SSRI? You could develop serotonin syndrome mixing those drugs.

Then of course there is the increasing risk of drug induced liver injury, especially in middle aged and older women, people with high BMI and disrupted gut biome - a healthy gut biome is fundamental to healthy processing of toxins in the body.

But hey, losing weight without really trying is worth all that, right?

Oh sorry, I forgot to include the host of negative effects of taking proton pump inhibitors long term, among them the link to 44% increase in risk of developing dementia: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6372031/

You don’t seem to get for people THAT obese, it’s worth these risks and that those risks are less than the risks that come with being obese.

I am happy for all of you that are able to manage their weight without meds. For people like OP, I am happy they have a tool to help them.

I want to see all the obese people who truly eat clean, sleep 7-9 hours nightly and move their bodies regularly, including 10,000 steps per day and weight training plus a generally active lifestyle - not one where they spend dozens of hours daily sitting at a desk (you can get a standing or treadmill desk, even if you have to buy it yourself it's well worth the investment in your health) and then going home to sit on the sofa/recliner, and who cannot lose a single pound doing those things religiously.

Then I'll believe they need to take a medicine cabinet full of pharmaceuticals every day to be 'healthy.'

:waves: Hi, that describes me. I've lost 40 lbs several times using methods you'd aprove of - and regained it. I don't drink soda or alcohol (or coffee) and haven't for years. I enjoy hiking. I meal prep. My weight loss on Wegovy has been modest but, critically, it has brought me out of the obese category and helped me finally improve my bloodwork. I have a child and don't want to die of a heart attack in my 40s.

Is my lifestyle perfect? Of course not: there aren't hours in the day to do all the exercise I'd like to, plus commute and work, plus take care of kid stuff, plus sleep adequately. But it's ignorant to pretend that obesity only strikes people who watch daytime TV while eating bon bons.

If you lost 40 lbs several times by eating clean, sleeping properly and moving your body and then regained the weight repeatedly, you clearly didn't adhere to what are lifestyle changes that should be permanent, not temporary to fit into smaller clothes for whatever compelling reason you had at that time. Your chosen lifestyle is FAR from perfect, it isn't impossible to do the things you did to lose weight because obviously you did them while also commuting and working and taking care of kid stuff, you are just choosing the lazier approach to lifestyle and taking this drug which hopefully won't ruin your gut health permanently. Sleeping, eating clean and moving your body won't ruin your gut health - but you already know that.

I mean, c'mon - at least be honest about your choices. There are lots of people out there who work long hours, do kid care, commute to work and don't fall into the lifetstyle habits that make people fall into obesity. And to be clear, I'm not a skinny pointing fingers at fatties - I'm a fatty myself who takes 100% full responsibility for the lifestyle choices that got me here. Even when I was working 60-80 hour weeks and responsible for keeping a home and kid care on top of that, I had the ability to make much better choices and I didn't make them. I sat on my ass every chance I got, stayed up late watching boob tube or on my smartphone, and I shoveled processed foods down my gullet.

Obesity doesn't happen in a vacuum. It doesn't happen overnight, either. It takes a long time of engaging in bad habits and ignoring the outcomes which are clearly apparent if one just *really* looks in the mirror, or quite obviously as one keeps buying larger and larger sized clothing.

It's unfortunate you're unable to imagine something different from your own experience. People's bodies and lives are different.

And, while I don't care whether you take meds, it's unfortunate that you're projecting your own fear of them onto my situation. You remind me of the women who rail against c-sections for other people because they're afraid of surgery for themselves.

[Anonymous]

Op,

I didn’t read all the hateful messages.

The drugs move the food through your system slower so you are not as hungry.

There are reports of drs having to take people off because they are never hungry and lose too much.

Not everybody has the same body do some people who are never hungry might not realize that their body naturally does this so the drug is just making your bodily function similar to theirs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Op,

I didn’t read all the hateful messages.

The drugs move the food through your system slower so you are not as hungry.

There are reports of drs having to take people off because they are never hungry and lose too much.

Not everybody has the same body do some people who are never hungry might not realize that their body naturally does this so the drug is just making your bodily function similar to theirs.

Do you know what also moves food through your system slower so you are not as hungry? FIBER. It's been working to keep humans at healthy weights for millions of years.

Weight loss drugs also cause gastroparesis, which is when food stops moving through your system altogether and that can result in permanent gut issues and even death. Imagine eating a meal on Monday and that food is still in your stomach on Friday - do you think there is any universe in which that's healthy?

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/25/health/weight-loss-diabetes-drugs-gastroparesis/index.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can do all that without the meds.

"I can remove cholesterol from my body without the meds."

"I can make insulin without the meds."

"I can control seizures without the meds."

"I can think my way out of depression without the meds."

People routinely dramatically change their lipid profile through diet and exercise alone.

The rest of these are poor comparisons. Victim culture wants obesity to be equivalent to the last three when it isn’t for at least 95% of people. If it does develop into a disease state that’s uncontrollable, it’s only after years of poor decisions.

Sure, Tom Cruise!

[Anonymous]

OP, I don't understand why you care what other people think.

I have lost 20 lbs on Ozempic and have another 40 to lose.

I did my research and made my choice accordingly.

I don't discuss it with anyone outside my family because it is none of their business.

Plenty of people hated us for being fat. Now the same people hate us for losing weight. Their hatred comes from a place of ignorance, of malice, and a complete failure of empathy. They have no idea what it is like to struggle with your weight for decades, and all the enormous efforts we made to lose weight in many different ways. So given that their opinions have no basis in knowledge or humanity, screw them, and screw their opinions.