PSA- people losing weight on injectables ARE “doing the work”

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Anonymous wrote:I can do all that without the meds.

"I can remove cholesterol from my body without the meds."

"I can make insulin without the meds."

"I can control seizures without the meds."

"I can think my way out of depression without the meds."

People routinely dramatically change their lipid profile through diet and exercise alone.

The rest of these are poor comparisons. Victim culture wants obesity to be equivalent to the last three when it isn’t for at least 95% of people. If it does develop into a disease state that’s uncontrollable, it’s only after years of poor decisions.

Sure, Tom Cruise!

I'm no fan of Tom Cruise or any other cult member.

That said, as I posted before:

The research on the efficacy of diet, sleep and regular exercise and sun exposure to treat depression - equally effective to SSRIs, SNRIs, MAOIs - is voluminous. Again, feel free to Google that shit. And now there is new research which indicates that exercise is MORE EFFECTIVE than pharmacological and psychotherapeutic approaches: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/is-...pression-and-anxiety

There is a role for medications in treating acute depressive episodes - although recent research is revealing that short term it is more effective to use ketamine and other agents to relieve suicidal ideation and suicidality until other treatments can effect long term change in people suffering depression. SSRIs are actually not that good for acute depression, because they take weeks to reach full efficacy.

There is definitely a role for meds in treating schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, but hopefully we are working on better meds because the current ones are so awful that many patients become noncompliant preferring to suffer the illness rather than the side effects of the meds.

As for depression and anxiety which are the most common psychiatric disorders - see the article posted above. Exercise works best, better than meds. Sleeping well and eating well (because 95% of serotonin is made in the gut, but not in an unhealthy gut) are also critical in treating depression effectively long term.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone I know who’s on them says it’s like having constant low level nausea. No thanks. I’d rather be 20 lbs overweight. I experienced that enough when I was pregnant.

Nausea is a common side effect and I have experienced it as well. I do have a mini arsenal of meds to counter side effects. Zofran for nausea, Pepcid for heartburn, magnesium for regularity etc. For me personally, the side effects have been extremely manageable. I am someone who cannot stand being nauseous. I’ve experienced maybe 3-4 intermittent experiences with nausea in the 6 or so months I’ve been on meds. All of the side effects have been nbd for me, but ymmv. I am someone who despises being nauseous, so daily nausea for me would not be sustainable.

Sounds great! Did your doctor talk to you about the cardiac side effects of long term use of Zofran? Are you taking an SSRI? You could develop serotonin syndrome mixing those drugs.

Then of course there is the increasing risk of drug induced liver injury, especially in middle aged and older women, people with high BMI and disrupted gut biome - a healthy gut biome is fundamental to healthy processing of toxins in the body.

But hey, losing weight without really trying is worth all that, right?

Oh sorry, I forgot to include the host of negative effects of taking proton pump inhibitors long term, among them the link to 44% increase in risk of developing dementia: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6372031/

You don’t seem to get for people THAT obese, it’s worth these risks and that those risks are less than the risks that come with being obese.

I am happy for all of you that are able to manage their weight without meds. For people like OP, I am happy they have a tool to help them.

I want to see all the obese people who truly eat clean, sleep 7-9 hours nightly and move their bodies regularly, including 10,000 steps per day and weight training plus a generally active lifestyle - not one where they spend dozens of hours daily sitting at a desk (you can get a standing or treadmill desk, even if you have to buy it yourself it's well worth the investment in your health) and then going home to sit on the sofa/recliner, and who cannot lose a single pound doing those things religiously.

Then I'll believe they need to take a medicine cabinet full of pharmaceuticals every day to be 'healthy.'

:waves: Hi, that describes me. I've lost 40 lbs several times using methods you'd aprove of - and regained it. I don't drink soda or alcohol (or coffee) and haven't for years. I enjoy hiking. I meal prep. My weight loss on Wegovy has been modest but, critically, it has brought me out of the obese category and helped me finally improve my bloodwork. I have a child and don't want to die of a heart attack in my 40s.

Is my lifestyle perfect? Of course not: there aren't hours in the day to do all the exercise I'd like to, plus commute and work, plus take care of kid stuff, plus sleep adequately. But it's ignorant to pretend that obesity only strikes people who watch daytime TV while eating bon bons.

If you lost 40 lbs several times by eating clean, sleeping properly and moving your body and then regained the weight repeatedly, you clearly didn't adhere to what are lifestyle changes that should be permanent, not temporary to fit into smaller clothes for whatever compelling reason you had at that time. Your chosen lifestyle is FAR from perfect, it isn't impossible to do the things you did to lose weight because obviously you did them while also commuting and working and taking care of kid stuff, you are just choosing the lazier approach to lifestyle and taking this drug which hopefully won't ruin your gut health permanently. Sleeping, eating clean and moving your body won't ruin your gut health - but you already know that.

I mean, c'mon - at least be honest about your choices. There are lots of people out there who work long hours, do kid care, commute to work and don't fall into the lifetstyle habits that make people fall into obesity. And to be clear, I'm not a skinny pointing fingers at fatties - I'm a fatty myself who takes 100% full responsibility for the lifestyle choices that got me here. Even when I was working 60-80 hour weeks and responsible for keeping a home and kid care on top of that, I had the ability to make much better choices and I didn't make them. I sat on my ass every chance I got, stayed up late watching boob tube or on my smartphone, and I shoveled processed foods down my gullet.

Obesity doesn't happen in a vacuum. It doesn't happen overnight, either. It takes a long time of engaging in bad habits and ignoring the outcomes which are clearly apparent if one just *really* looks in the mirror, or quite obviously as one keeps buying larger and larger sized clothing.

It's unfortunate you're unable to imagine something different from your own experience. People's bodies and lives are different.

And, while I don't care whether you take meds, it's unfortunate that you're projecting your own fear of them onto my situation. You remind me of the women who rail against c-sections for other people because they're afraid of surgery for themselves.

It's not fear, poster. It's having a strong background in science and having worked years in the medical field and having seen people's lives very significantly diminished if not ended by reliance on pharmaceuticals. Any physician who promotes drugs over the natural methods that effectively treat the same chronic conditions has a very nice house, boat, luxury car that is paid for at least in part by relationships with Big Pharma. Responsible physicians promote healthy lifestyle changes over drugs 100% of the time, period - and only when patients flat out refuse to take responsibility for their own health do they give them pills or surgery to treat symptoms of chronic conditions which permanent lifestyle changes can reverse entirely.

But I do understand that radical honesty is a very difficult thing for many humans to embrace.

Pharma isn't giving kick-backs to doctors, that's illegal. Rich doctors are the ones that own buildings/surgery suites and can keep the facility fees, or who have moved to managing other doctors. No one is getting rich from peddling ozempic.

Agreed people should do it naturally if possible but for people who have tried and tried and just can't (for whatever reason) I'm happy there's a tool to help them. And I'm also not sure why you're are so heavily invested in how someone gets healthy...

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Whether it's hard work or not doesn't even matter. People want to judge fat people more than anything. They would praise and admire a thin chain-smoking alcoholic all day long because she just *looks* like she has self-control. Just do what is right for you, and never tell them it's Ozempic. They don't get it and never will.

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For all the judgy McJudgersons out there, there is a really high correlation between childhood sexual abuse and obesity, as well as other forms of trauma including growing up in poverty, food insecurity etc.

I don’t owe you an explanation of the sorts of demons that I have struggled with and the kinds of medical issues I have faced, etc. Nor do I require you to sign off on whether or not I am allowed to be fat as a result, whether or not you think my trauma is real. in short it is not of your business why I have a particular medical problem, anymore than it would be if I was experiencing sexual problems, kidney disease, high cholesterol etc.

I am not even slightly interested in whether anyone else regards my medical and physical health issues as “valid” or whether or not they “believe” in the medical interventions I have chosen. Imagine the arrogance of thinking that you have the ability to make medical decisions about other people particularly when you likely know nothing about their condition or medical history.

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Anonymous wrote:I can do all that without the meds.

"I can remove cholesterol from my body without the meds."

"I can make insulin without the meds."

"I can control seizures without the meds."

"I can think my way out of depression without the meds."

People routinely dramatically change their lipid profile through diet and exercise alone.

The rest of these are poor comparisons. Victim culture wants obesity to be equivalent to the last three when it isn’t for at least 95% of people. If it does develop into a disease state that’s uncontrollable, it’s only after years of poor decisions.

Sure, Tom Cruise!

I'm no fan of Tom Cruise or any other cult member.

That said, as I posted before:

The research on the efficacy of diet, sleep and regular exercise and sun exposure to treat depression - equally effective to SSRIs, SNRIs, MAOIs - is voluminous. Again, feel free to Google that shit. And now there is new research which indicates that exercise is MORE EFFECTIVE than pharmacological and psychotherapeutic approaches: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/is-...pression-and-anxiety

There is a role for medications in treating acute depressive episodes - although recent research is revealing that short term it is more effective to use ketamine and other agents to relieve suicidal ideation and suicidality until other treatments can effect long term change in people suffering depression. SSRIs are actually not that good for acute depression, because they take weeks to reach full efficacy.

There is definitely a role for meds in treating schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, but hopefully we are working on better meds because the current ones are so awful that many patients become noncompliant preferring to suffer the illness rather than the side effects of the meds.

As for depression and anxiety which are the most common psychiatric disorders - see the article posted above. Exercise works best, better than meds. Sleeping well and eating well (because 95% of serotonin is made in the gut, but not in an unhealthy gut) are also critical in treating depression effectively long term.

Your link doesn't work.

[Anonymous]

I have been on Zepbound for about 6 weeks, and it's a miracle. I had a lot of disordered eating and scarcity issues that definitely led to overeating and having no idea how to regulate or listen to what my actual hunger is.

Tracking cals helped me lose about 30 lbs, but then I was non-stop concerned with calorie count, and not learning how to listen to my body's needs. A trainer and aggressive work out program worked, but I had to give up a lot to get in an hour work out 6 days a week. None of this is sustainable with two kids and running a business.

The thing is, I like to work out. I love running. I also enjoy cooking and love veggie-filled meals and vegetarian dishes. But the childhood trauma is really really hard to overcome, and binge eating is just part of it. I have a therapist too. So adding all of these together, and still having a fully-functional life becomes difficult, and creates its own issues.

Zepbound reduces my hunger and now I can enjoy normal portioned food without thinking about it nonstop. I can focus on weight training and running as a fun thing I like to do, instead of something to "Get Fit." It's letting me see results, which lead to more healthy choices, without making it an obsession.

People aren't overweight because they lack self control. I run a business and run a half marathon or two every year. Both of those take quite a bit of self control, forward thinking, and effort. There are a lot of other things going on, because food isn't consumed in a separate category.

If these new medicines help you overcome some of these challenges in a way that works, there is no reason to not use it if it works for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Op,

I didn’t read all the hateful messages.

The drugs move the food through your system slower so you are not as hungry.

There are reports of drs having to take people off because they are never hungry and lose too much.

Not everybody has the same body do some people who are never hungry might not realize that their body naturally does this so the drug is just making your bodily function similar to theirs.

Do you know what also moves food through your system slower so you are not as hungry? FIBER. It's been working to keep humans at healthy weights for millions of years.

Weight loss drugs also cause gastroparesis, which is when food stops moving through your system altogether and that can result in permanent gut issues and even death. Imagine eating a meal on Monday and that food is still in your stomach on Friday - do you think there is any universe in which that's healthy?

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/25/health/weight-loss-diabetes-drugs-gastroparesis/index.html

It still doesn’t move at the same speed for everyone.

Fiber might slow me down some but not done to how slow yours works. The drugs take my low fat, high fiber, high veggie, healthy protein diet and makes it act the same way in my body as it does your body.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone I know who’s on them says it’s like having constant low level nausea. No thanks. I’d rather be 20 lbs overweight. I experienced that enough when I was pregnant.

Nausea is a common side effect and I have experienced it as well. I do have a mini arsenal of meds to counter side effects. Zofran for nausea, Pepcid for heartburn, magnesium for regularity etc. For me personally, the side effects have been extremely manageable. I am someone who cannot stand being nauseous. I’ve experienced maybe 3-4 intermittent experiences with nausea in the 6 or so months I’ve been on meds. All of the side effects have been nbd for me, but ymmv. I am someone who despises being nauseous, so daily nausea for me would not be sustainable.

Sounds great! Did your doctor talk to you about the cardiac side effects of long term use of Zofran? Are you taking an SSRI? You could develop serotonin syndrome mixing those drugs.

Then of course there is the increasing risk of drug induced liver injury, especially in middle aged and older women, people with high BMI and disrupted gut biome - a healthy gut biome is fundamental to healthy processing of toxins in the body.

But hey, losing weight without really trying is worth all that, right?

Oh sorry, I forgot to include the host of negative effects of taking proton pump inhibitors long term, among them the link to 44% increase in risk of developing dementia: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6372031/

You don’t seem to get for people THAT obese, it’s worth these risks and that those risks are less than the risks that come with being obese.

I am happy for all of you that are able to manage their weight without meds. For people like OP, I am happy they have a tool to help them.

I want to see all the obese people who truly eat clean, sleep 7-9 hours nightly and move their bodies regularly, including 10,000 steps per day and weight training plus a generally active lifestyle - not one where they spend dozens of hours daily sitting at a desk (you can get a standing or treadmill desk, even if you have to buy it yourself it's well worth the investment in your health) and then going home to sit on the sofa/recliner, and who cannot lose a single pound doing those things religiously.

Then I'll believe they need to take a medicine cabinet full of pharmaceuticals every day to be 'healthy.'

:waves: Hi, that describes me. I've lost 40 lbs several times using methods you'd aprove of - and regained it. I don't drink soda or alcohol (or coffee) and haven't for years. I enjoy hiking. I meal prep. My weight loss on Wegovy has been modest but, critically, it has brought me out of the obese category and helped me finally improve my bloodwork. I have a child and don't want to die of a heart attack in my 40s.

Is my lifestyle perfect? Of course not: there aren't hours in the day to do all the exercise I'd like to, plus commute and work, plus take care of kid stuff, plus sleep adequately. But it's ignorant to pretend that obesity only strikes people who watch daytime TV while eating bon bons.

If you lost 40 lbs several times by eating clean, sleeping properly and moving your body and then regained the weight repeatedly, you clearly didn't adhere to what are lifestyle changes that should be permanent, not temporary to fit into smaller clothes for whatever compelling reason you had at that time. Your chosen lifestyle is FAR from perfect, it isn't impossible to do the things you did to lose weight because obviously you did them while also commuting and working and taking care of kid stuff, you are just choosing the lazier approach to lifestyle and taking this drug which hopefully won't ruin your gut health permanently. Sleeping, eating clean and moving your body won't ruin your gut health - but you already know that.

I mean, c'mon - at least be honest about your choices. There are lots of people out there who work long hours, do kid care, commute to work and don't fall into the lifetstyle habits that make people fall into obesity. And to be clear, I'm not a skinny pointing fingers at fatties - I'm a fatty myself who takes 100% full responsibility for the lifestyle choices that got me here. Even when I was working 60-80 hour weeks and responsible for keeping a home and kid care on top of that, I had the ability to make much better choices and I didn't make them. I sat on my ass every chance I got, stayed up late watching boob tube or on my smartphone, and I shoveled processed foods down my gullet.

Obesity doesn't happen in a vacuum. It doesn't happen overnight, either. It takes a long time of engaging in bad habits and ignoring the outcomes which are clearly apparent if one just *really* looks in the mirror, or quite obviously as one keeps buying larger and larger sized clothing.

It's unfortunate you're unable to imagine something different from your own experience. People's bodies and lives are different.

And, while I don't care whether you take meds, it's unfortunate that you're projecting your own fear of them onto my situation. You remind me of the women who rail against c-sections for other people because they're afraid of surgery for themselves.

It's not fear, poster. It's having a strong background in science and having worked years in the medical field and having seen people's lives very significantly diminished if not ended by reliance on pharmaceuticals. Any physician who promotes drugs over the natural methods that effectively treat the same chronic conditions has a very nice house, boat, luxury car that is paid for at least in part by relationships with Big Pharma. Responsible physicians promote healthy lifestyle changes over drugs 100% of the time, period - and only when patients flat out refuse to take responsibility for their own health do they give them pills or surgery to treat symptoms of chronic conditions which permanent lifestyle changes can reverse entirely.

But I do understand that radical honesty is a very difficult thing for many humans to embrace.

Actually, there's nothing more honest than recognizing and accepting that not one single person on earth is a perfect human being. Why don't you start by embracing that? Any healthcare strategy that requires 100% compliance every single day is setting people up for failure. Also, if you are so concerned about other people's lifestyle choices, I hope you devote this much energy calling for reform of systemic issues that undermine individuals' commitment to healthy lifestyles, including unreasonable work demands and toxic work situations, lack of paid sick time and leave (or the ability to take that leave), lack of access to affordable childcare, unwalkable communities with inadequate open space, inaccessible and unaffordable quality healthcare, and many other issues. I hope you are actively working to address those issues, all of which could be improved to promote healthier lifestyles across the population.

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Can we stop writing “eating clean.” How about “eating quality nutrient dense food” which is what you would be doing.

Eating is an opportunity for nourishment. It shouldn’t be a constant form of entertainment.

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loll lol lol HAHAHAH! NOPE not according to my doctor, nice thy though OP! Thanks for the laugh!

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Anonymous wrote:Whenever I get the flu I always lose a couple pounds because I’m too nauseous to eat. That doesn’t mean I did the work to lose weight. And let’s be honest, as soon as I can breathe through my nose again and my throat isn’t on fire, I gain the weight right back. I imagine a pill would be the same way.

NP. As usual the ignorance in this thread is shocking. I expect ignorance from the Ozempic haters at this point, but there is always a new angle to demonstrate it.

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Anonymous wrote:For all the judgy McJudgersons out there, there is a really high correlation between childhood sexual abuse and obesity, as well as other forms of trauma including growing up in poverty, food insecurity etc.

I don’t owe you an explanation of the sorts of demons that I have struggled with and the kinds of medical issues I have faced, etc. Nor do I require you to sign off on whether or not I am allowed to be fat as a result, whether or not you think my trauma is real. in short it is not of your business why I have a particular medical problem, anymore than it would be if I was experiencing sexual problems, kidney disease, high cholesterol etc.

I am not even slightly interested in whether anyone else regards my medical and physical health issues as “valid” or whether or not they “believe” in the medical interventions I have chosen. Imagine the arrogance of thinking that you have the ability to make medical decisions about other people particularly when you likely know nothing about their condition or medical history.

+1

The two extremely morbidly obese people in my life that I know very well were both sexually abused as children in the most awful way. Ozempic is changing their lives.

Frankly, I think there is not a group of DCUM posters who are more collectively idiotic than the Ozempic haters. They appear to lack the ability to hold a complex thought in their head and are bizarrely furious that the drug even exists. Also, I don’t take Ozempic and I’m fit and exercise every day, since their first response to someone who observes their lack of brain cells is “ur fat.”

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Anonymous wrote:I can do all that without the meds.

"I can remove cholesterol from my body without the meds."

"I can make insulin without the meds."

"I can control seizures without the meds."

"I can think my way out of depression without the meds."

People routinely dramatically change their lipid profile through diet and exercise alone.

The rest of these are poor comparisons. Victim culture wants obesity to be equivalent to the last three when it isn’t for at least 95% of people. If it does develop into a disease state that’s uncontrollable, it’s only after years of poor decisions.

Victim culture isn't a thing.

Obesity is a disease according to the American Medical Association, the CDC, and the Obesity Society, among others. It is in fact comparable to other chronic diseases.

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People also lost weight on the drug Fen-Fen and look how that turned out…permanent heart damage and lawsuits.

I’m happily eating a diet that’s mainly fruits and vegetables and losing weight even in menopause. It isn’t hard.

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Anonymous wrote:I….don’t care how people lose weight?

The story above about the brownie is so bizarre. This can’t be how people think can it?

It is day to day reality for a lot of people. Injectable semaglutides quiet the "food noise" for those people, making weight loss efforts much easier and more effective.