LMVSC to ECNL RL VA

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Boys are top 10 nationally according to the app too

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a coach. I would say that the very top GA teams are equivalent with ecnl. The middle level GA teams are equivalent with let's say the top four teams in any ecnl regional league. The lower level GA teams are equivalent with mid-level ecnl regional teams.

As a coach, I wonder what your thoughts are on the Soccer Rankings app, which uses actual game results (facts and data) to compare teams using a formula applied uniformly across different teams and leagues. The quantitative results in that app rank teams pretty well, and those rankings align to your qualitative assessment and feelings (ECNL > GA > ECRL).

And before somebody gives a single game result as an example of why the model is broken, you obviously have to acknowledge that "statistics" allows for this and concepts like a standard distribution curve is the reason that "on any given day" is a thing.

(Before someone suggests otherwise, GotSoccer is worthless and doesn't follow the same approach to analyze teams as close to objectively as possible.)

Coaches aren't going to comment on the Soccer Rankings App because it ranks teams independent of league. This means it doesn't support or reject the leagues their clubs play in.

The only problem with the rankings app is the more teams play each other the more accurate it becomes. The less teams play each other the less accurate it becomes. But overall it's decent at ranking youth teams. Much better than got soccer.

Actually, just thought of one other issue. If your kids team plays and wins in a league with several other teams that are highly ranked it's easier to stay highly ranked. If your team is really good but plays in a league with mostly lower ranked teams you'll need to beat them by as many goals as possible to maintain a high ranking. Or you have to play and win against highly ranked teams in tournaments.

Curious why you think that is an issue? If a team is in a more difficult league and maintains competitive score lines, doesn't that make sense? And if a team is really good but in a lesser league, shouldn't they need to have a pretty high GD to show that they don't belong?

Say you're in a league with #1 through #10 and all 10 teams never play anyone outside of league you'll remain #1 through #10.

If your team is ranked #12 and has a bunch of #50 and #200 ranked teams in league if you never play anyone outside of league the best you can do is #12 and if you ever lose in league against the #50s and #200s you'll go down in ranking. This also forces you to beat the teams in your league by as many goals as possible to maintain #12 because teams in different leagues all competing for #12.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a coach. I would say that the very top GA teams are equivalent with ecnl. The middle level GA teams are equivalent with let's say the top four teams in any ecnl regional league. The lower level GA teams are equivalent with mid-level ecnl regional teams.

As a coach, I wonder what your thoughts are on the Soccer Rankings app, which uses actual game results (facts and data) to compare teams using a formula applied uniformly across different teams and leagues. The quantitative results in that app rank teams pretty well, and those rankings align to your qualitative assessment and feelings (ECNL > GA > ECRL).

And before somebody gives a single game result as an example of why the model is broken, you obviously have to acknowledge that "statistics" allows for this and concepts like a standard distribution curve is the reason that "on any given day" is a thing.

(Before someone suggests otherwise, GotSoccer is worthless and doesn't follow the same approach to analyze teams as close to objectively as possible.)

Coaches aren't going to comment on the Soccer Rankings App because it ranks teams independent of league. This means it doesn't support or reject the leagues their clubs play in.

The only problem with the rankings app is the more teams play each other the more accurate it becomes. The less teams play each other the less accurate it becomes. But overall it's decent at ranking youth teams. Much better than got soccer.

Actually, just thought of one other issue. If your kids team plays and wins in a league with several other teams that are highly ranked it's easier to stay highly ranked. If your team is really good but plays in a league with mostly lower ranked teams you'll need to beat them by as many goals as possible to maintain a high ranking. Or you have to play and win against highly ranked teams in tournaments.

Curious why you think that is an issue? If a team is in a more difficult league and maintains competitive score lines, doesn't that make sense? And if a team is really good but in a lesser league, shouldn't they need to have a pretty high GD to show that they don't belong?

I'm just pointing things out.

If teams from different leagues played each other more often it wouldn't matter.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a coach. I would say that the very top GA teams are equivalent with ecnl. The middle level GA teams are equivalent with let's say the top four teams in any ecnl regional league. The lower level GA teams are equivalent with mid-level ecnl regional teams.

As a coach, I wonder what your thoughts are on the Soccer Rankings app, which uses actual game results (facts and data) to compare teams using a formula applied uniformly across different teams and leagues. The quantitative results in that app rank teams pretty well, and those rankings align to your qualitative assessment and feelings (ECNL > GA > ECRL).

And before somebody gives a single game result as an example of why the model is broken, you obviously have to acknowledge that "statistics" allows for this and concepts like a standard distribution curve is the reason that "on any given day" is a thing.

(Before someone suggests otherwise, GotSoccer is worthless and doesn't follow the same approach to analyze teams as close to objectively as possible.)

Coaches aren't going to comment on the Soccer Rankings App because it ranks teams independent of league. This means it doesn't support or reject the leagues their clubs play in.

The only problem with the rankings app is the more teams play each other the more accurate it becomes. The less teams play each other the less accurate it becomes. But overall it's decent at ranking youth teams. Much better than got soccer.

Actually, just thought of one other issue. If your kids team plays and wins in a league with several other teams that are highly ranked it's easier to stay highly ranked. If your team is really good but plays in a league with mostly lower ranked teams you'll need to beat them by as many goals as possible to maintain a high ranking. Or you have to play and win against highly ranked teams in tournaments.

Curious why you think that is an issue? If a team is in a more difficult league and maintains competitive score lines, doesn't that make sense? And if a team is really good but in a lesser league, shouldn't they need to have a pretty high GD to show that they don't belong?

Say you're in a league with #1 through #10 and all 10 teams never play anyone outside of league you'll remain #1 through #10.

If your team is ranked #12 and has a bunch of #50 and #200 ranked teams in league if you never play anyone outside of league the best you can do is #12 and if you ever lose in league against the #50s and #200s you'll go down in ranking. This also forces you to beat the teams in your league by as many goals as possible to maintain #12 because teams in different leagues all competing for #12.

It doesn't work that way. You get a score and that score will increase or decrease based on how well you do against other teams. So if it predicts you will be team #50 by 2 goals and you beat them by 3 goals, your score will go up slightly and maybe surpass #11. If you beat them by 10 goals your score would go up a little more than if you beat them by 2. If you beat them by 1 goal, your score will probably drop slightly and you might now be in #13, 14, 15, maybe even lower.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a coach. I would say that the very top GA teams are equivalent with ecnl. The middle level GA teams are equivalent with let's say the top four teams in any ecnl regional league. The lower level GA teams are equivalent with mid-level ecnl regional teams.

As a coach, I wonder what your thoughts are on the Soccer Rankings app, which uses actual game results (facts and data) to compare teams using a formula applied uniformly across different teams and leagues. The quantitative results in that app rank teams pretty well, and those rankings align to your qualitative assessment and feelings (ECNL > GA > ECRL).

And before somebody gives a single game result as an example of why the model is broken, you obviously have to acknowledge that "statistics" allows for this and concepts like a standard distribution curve is the reason that "on any given day" is a thing.

(Before someone suggests otherwise, GotSoccer is worthless and doesn't follow the same approach to analyze teams as close to objectively as possible.)

Coaches aren't going to comment on the Soccer Rankings App because it ranks teams independent of league. This means it doesn't support or reject the leagues their clubs play in.

The only problem with the rankings app is the more teams play each other the more accurate it becomes. The less teams play each other the less accurate it becomes. But overall it's decent at ranking youth teams. Much better than got soccer.

Actually, just thought of one other issue. If your kids team plays and wins in a league with several other teams that are highly ranked it's easier to stay highly ranked. If your team is really good but plays in a league with mostly lower ranked teams you'll need to beat them by as many goals as possible to maintain a high ranking. Or you have to play and win against highly ranked teams in tournaments.

Curious why you think that is an issue? If a team is in a more difficult league and maintains competitive score lines, doesn't that make sense? And if a team is really good but in a lesser league, shouldn't they need to have a pretty high GD to show that they don't belong?

Say you're in a league with #1 through #10 and all 10 teams never play anyone outside of league you'll remain #1 through #10.

If your team is ranked #12 and has a bunch of #50 and #200 ranked teams in league if you never play anyone outside of league the best you can do is #12 and if you ever lose in league against the #50s and #200s you'll go down in ranking. This also forces you to beat the teams in your league by as many goals as possible to maintain #12 because teams in different leagues all competing for #12.

It doesn't work that way. You get a score and that score will increase or decrease based on how well you do against other teams. So if it predicts you will be team #50 by 2 goals and you beat them by 3 goals, your score will go up slightly and maybe surpass #11. If you beat them by 10 goals your score would go up a little more than if you beat them by 2. If you beat them by 1 goal, your score will probably drop slightly and you might now be in #13, 14, 15, maybe even lower.

So you're saying that it does work that way but additional goals over expected is diminishing returns.

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LMVSC thread, not soccer rankings and calculation methodology.

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Anonymous wrote:LMVSC thread, not soccer rankings and calculation methodology.

I think this is all to say, LMVSC is objectively worse than RL teams according to Soccer Rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a coach. I would say that the very top GA teams are equivalent with ecnl. The middle level GA teams are equivalent with let's say the top four teams in any ecnl regional league. The lower level GA teams are equivalent with mid-level ecnl regional teams.

As a coach, I wonder what your thoughts are on the Soccer Rankings app, which uses actual game results (facts and data) to compare teams using a formula applied uniformly across different teams and leagues. The quantitative results in that app rank teams pretty well, and those rankings align to your qualitative assessment and feelings (ECNL > GA > ECRL).

And before somebody gives a single game result as an example of why the model is broken, you obviously have to acknowledge that "statistics" allows for this and concepts like a standard distribution curve is the reason that "on any given day" is a thing.

(Before someone suggests otherwise, GotSoccer is worthless and doesn't follow the same approach to analyze teams as close to objectively as possible.)

Coaches aren't going to comment on the Soccer Rankings App because it ranks teams independent of league. This means it doesn't support or reject the leagues their clubs play in.

The only problem with the rankings app is the more teams play each other the more accurate it becomes. The less teams play each other the less accurate it becomes. But overall it's decent at ranking youth teams. Much better than got soccer.

Actually, just thought of one other issue. If your kids team plays and wins in a league with several other teams that are highly ranked it's easier to stay highly ranked. If your team is really good but plays in a league with mostly lower ranked teams you'll need to beat them by as many goals as possible to maintain a high ranking. Or you have to play and win against highly ranked teams in tournaments.

Curious why you think that is an issue? If a team is in a more difficult league and maintains competitive score lines, doesn't that make sense? And if a team is really good but in a lesser league, shouldn't they need to have a pretty high GD to show that they don't belong?

Say you're in a league with #1 through #10 and all 10 teams never play anyone outside of league you'll remain #1 through #10.

If your team is ranked #12 and has a bunch of #50 and #200 ranked teams in league if you never play anyone outside of league the best you can do is #12 and if you ever lose in league against the #50s and #200s you'll go down in ranking. This also forces you to beat the teams in your league by as many goals as possible to maintain #12 because teams in different leagues all competing for #12.

It doesn't work that way. You get a score and that score will increase or decrease based on how well you do against other teams. So if it predicts you will be team #50 by 2 goals and you beat them by 3 goals, your score will go up slightly and maybe surpass #11. If you beat them by 10 goals your score would go up a little more than if you beat them by 2. If you beat them by 1 goal, your score will probably drop slightly and you might now be in #13, 14, 15, maybe even lower.

So you're saying that it does work that way but additional goals over expected is diminishing returns.

No, you can move up ahead of teams or drop below teams you have never played is what I am saying.

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Anonymous wrote:No, you can move up ahead of teams or drop below teams you have never played is what I am saying.

Which makes perfect sense. Because the skill of both teams has been measured/calculated in the model based on the results of a large set (two years worth) of game results. Which allows you to evaluate two teams against each other even though they've never played, with a high level of probability. It's a surprisingly accurate model, much more so than the feelings or opinions of parents from one team or the other!

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Anonymous wrote:No, you can move up ahead of teams or drop below teams you have never played is what I am saying.

Which makes perfect sense. Because the skill of both teams has been measured/calculated in the model based on the results of a large set (two years worth) of game results. Which allows you to evaluate two teams against each other even though they've never played, with a high level of probability. It's a surprisingly accurate model, much more so than the feelings or opinions of parents from one team or the other!

Sigh...The math help out those that win by more than expected. Same thing just stated a different way.

[Anonymous]

This just watered RL even more! I’m sure Loudoun and Arlington B team parents aren’t too happy about this.

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Anonymous wrote:This just watered RL even more! I’m sure Loudoun and Arlington B team parents aren’t too happy about this.

Its an extra game, that is nearby, and a likely win. Sorry, but I disagree.

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Anonymous wrote:This just watered RL even more! I’m sure Loudoun and Arlington B team parents aren’t too happy about this.

Its an extra game, that is nearby, and a likely win. Sorry, but I disagree.

That’s true, but what about all the holes LMVSC has? RL teams need games

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Anonymous wrote:This just watered RL even more! I’m sure Loudoun and Arlington B team parents aren’t too happy about this.

Its an extra game, that is nearby, and a likely win. Sorry, but I disagree.

That’s true, but what about all the holes LMVSC has? RL teams need games

Ok former employee that keeps reiterating the same thing over and over. Why not wait until teams are formed and then you can speak of it. Maybe players from nearby may go over to lmvsc and create teams to close the gap. The new affiliation will clearly help the club.

[Anonymous]

Did LMVSC get booted out already? They dropped the ECNL RL names in all the rankings apps and went back to LMVSC Red.

Up and down the age groups on both the girls and boys sides, they did terribly this fall season. Most teams went 1 win 7 losses. Just wondering if they got the boot already.