Georgetown Application Solicitation Email

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Anonymous wrote:I would think 'EA' would demonstrate first choice since its restrictive (can't apply to any other privates/Ivies). So they value the kids that didn't see them as first choice and after getting rejected from Ivies and Duke now will be submitting in RD-- over those kids with similar stats that applied EA? Yeah--seems really fair

It's restrictive only to 'binding' ones.
I think it's fair. You can't pick GU if you are also accepted at the other institution.

Ivies are all restrictive early action or binding so you can’t apply early to GU and an Ivy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would think 'EA' would demonstrate first choice since its restrictive (can't apply to any other privates/Ivies). So they value the kids that didn't see them as first choice and after getting rejected from Ivies and Duke now will be submitting in RD-- over those kids with similar stats that applied EA? Yeah--seems really fair

They want the best students. It's not about being "fair" to the students who love them the most.

When they have the same or better stats- it’s not. But legacy trumps all

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would think 'EA' would demonstrate first choice since its restrictive (can't apply to any other privates/Ivies). So they value the kids that didn't see them as first choice and after getting rejected from Ivies and Duke now will be submitting in RD-- over those kids with similar stats that applied EA? Yeah--seems really fair

It's restrictive only to 'binding' ones.
I think it's fair. You can't pick GU if you are also accepted at the other institution.

Ivies are all restrictive early action or binding so you can’t apply early to GU and an Ivy.

it's splitting hair - but GU doesn't care if you apply another restrictive early action, the other institutions (restrictive ones) that don't allow it. But yeah the end result is the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree with a PP. If anything, Georgetown goes to a lot of trouble to limit applications, not inflate them. My kid spent yesterday filling out their proprietary application, which meant re-filling what she did on the common app (name, address, parent occupation, etc etc) and writing new essays, which are fairly different in length for Georgetown compared to most since they don't take common app essay. They require you submit all test scores, not selected ones, and are not test optional.

I found myself wondering why they are making it so difficult to apply. (I guess it's a way of measuring demonstrated interest?).

(I know where you're coming from, though, OP. I attended in the 80s and probably would have had a better time elsewhere. My kid is applying because academically it's a perfect fit (SFS) and I'd like to keep her close for various reasons. But not sure it's socially the best place for her, either.)

Hate to burst your bubble but Georgetown does pester folks to apply, happened to my kid. Received multiple deadline extension emails.

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the seem to give a very big bump to kids from better jesuit high schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:the seem to give a very big bump to kids from better jesuit high schools

Not this year- at least for early action.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They want to reject more people so the school will have a lower acceptance rate.

For some reason, people equate rejecting more applicant as as “success.” In business, this would look like not doing a good job qualifying prospects. In academia, it’s a goal to have unqualified people apply.

I would only apply if they ask me to apply and their ask is binding—like reverse ED. They would never do that, so I would never apply. 😂

This. It's called marketing so the school can climb the rankings. They encourage EVERYONE to apply so they can reject more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, don't flatter yourself. It's called marketing. In this century, schools that DON'T flood you are few & far between.

Everyone else, GU has operated admissions the same way forever. It's not better or worse, but IMHO it's more fair than most T50 private schools.

GU does NOT favor EA partly because they don't play ED rat race and they try (emphasis on try) to be as equitable as possible in keeping with Jesuit values of accessibility and inclusion. Cura personalis predates DEI btw.

Like MIT, the application is very straightforward and less effort than a lot of schools that use Common App but add extra essays or random "optional" questions.

Like MIT, GU thinks required testing promotes equity given vast differences in access to rigorous college prep education and grade inflation/GPA variances.

GU does not superscore like MIT. They see all of them. So folks who can afford to take it multiple times with tutors can't cherry pick as much.

The tradeoff for no Common App and required testing is offset by alumni interviews for all. It helped me back in the day and I'm happy to do it now.

GU will keep doing it's thing to stay at double digit acceptance rate drawn mainly from RD pool.

So yes, there's still time! 😉

Really? A lot of very top applicants were denied in the early rounds--perfect scores, perfect GPAs and great ECs, etc. So they accepted less in the early round and still are taking primarily from RD? Seems it was a waste to EA there when they appear to not give it any preference. Btw, their EA doesn't require anyone to attend so its not like ED, it doesn't hurt DEI.

PP here. You are correct that it is a "waste" of an EA if you're ONLY looking for an advantage. EA at GU is what ED used to be before it became a cash grab yield management tool. It's meant for recruiting students with specialized skills, athletes, etc. It was never meant as a way to fill classes with a bunch of high stats kids that would be fine anywhere.

GU is kinda old school in a lot of ways and doesn't mind doing it's own thing. Admissions is one of them. Not better or worse, just different.

It's statistically better if you really really really want GU to go in with a stronger application for RD and make use of first semester grades, alumni interview for info, etc.

An EA deferral -- they don't deny anyone -- is statistically a soft no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want to reject more people so the school will have a lower acceptance rate.

For some reason, people equate rejecting more applicant as as “success.” In business, this would look like not doing a good job qualifying prospects. In academia, it’s a goal to have unqualified people apply.

I would only apply if they ask me to apply and their ask is binding—like reverse ED. They would never do that, so I would never apply. 😂

This. It's called marketing so the school can climb the rankings. They encourage EVERYONE to apply so they can reject more.

easier way is probably to join common app, it will probably drop the rate to single digit

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Once the very old school director of admissions moves on GU will become less of a who you know school to a what you know school. They take legacy kids who could not otherwise get in leaving the general population to very high standards.

This is not true at all. I know quite a few legacies that were not admitted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the seem to give a very big bump to kids from better jesuit high schools

Not this year- at least for early action.

was true this year from nyc

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The University of Chicago excels with this type of bait and switch. They blast these solicitation emails and mailers to students who have no chance -hoping they apply- so they can be quickly rejected. Their admit rates will go down and they get $ from the fee. Classless.

Chicago grad here. Can concor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want to reject more people so the school will have a lower acceptance rate.

For some reason, people equate rejecting more applicant as as “success.” In business, this would look like not doing a good job qualifying prospects. In academia, it’s a goal to have unqualified people apply.

I would only apply if they ask me to apply and their ask is binding—like reverse ED. They would never do that, so I would never apply. 😂

Not really. Georgetown’s admissions office has a hard target of 10% or above. They refuse to go to a “single-digit” acceptance rate. This is the primary reason why they are test-mandatory: to deflate the applicant pool and inflate the acceptance rate. It doesn’t make much sense to me, but that is how they operate.

I bet at a certain point highly qualified applicants start to look at your school as a pure lottery play and don’t bother applying because they believe they have no chance at admission.

They may be willing to play common app lotto for Princeton but Georgetown is a lot of extra work to apply and isn’t test optional.

Bingo.

Double bingo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Once the very old school director of admissions moves on GU will become less of a who you know school to a what you know school. They take legacy kids who could not otherwise get in leaving the general population to very high standards.

The “who you know” kids are also the “what you know” kids at GU.
I should know. All of mine go/went there. And they’re pretty darn smart kids. Turned their nose up at Princeton and Stanford acceptances for GU SFS.

Also, GU doesn’t reject anyone in EA.
They wait for the rest of the regular applications to come in to be fair to everyone.

Cura personalis IS enshrined in GU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want to reject more people so the school will have a lower acceptance rate.

For some reason, people equate rejecting more applicant as as “success.” In business, this would look like not doing a good job qualifying prospects. In academia, it’s a goal to have unqualified people apply.

I would only apply if they ask me to apply and their ask is binding—like reverse ED. They would never do that, so I would never apply. 😂

Not really. Georgetown’s admissions office has a hard target of 10% or above. They refuse to go to a “single-digit” acceptance rate. This is the primary reason why they are test-mandatory: to deflate the applicant pool and inflate the acceptance rate. It doesn’t make much sense to me, but that is how they operate.

Accurate.