Business major - which school would you choose between

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
How would you prioritize the following options being considered by my DS?

UVA - Instate, no direct admission to business. Will know only in 3rd year and acceptance rate is 40%
VT - InState, direct admit - Management Major
UMich - Direct Admit - Management Major - $80K
NYU - Direct Admit - Management - $90K
UF - Direct admit - Same as UVA
Kelley - Instate fee with scholarship, less than UVA - Management Major
U of SC - Instate fee with scholarship, less than UVA - Risk Mgmt
Georgetown - 80K
The student is seeking a school that provides a strong academic balance to pursue extracurricular activities and has excellent career services for recruiting. Is not particular about finding a job in NYC or SFO.

The cheapest options, but I'm not rich. YMMV.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
How would you prioritize the following options being considered by my DS?

UVA - Instate, no direct admission to business. Will know only in 3rd year and acceptance rate is 40%
VT - InState, direct admit - Management Major
UMich - Direct Admit - Management Major - $80K
NYU - Direct Admit - Management - $90K
UF - Direct admit - Same as UVA
Kelley - Instate fee with scholarship, less than UVA - Management Major
U of SC - Instate fee with scholarship, less than UVA - Risk Mgmt
Georgetown - 80K
The student is seeking a school that provides a strong academic balance to pursue extracurricular activities and has excellent career services for recruiting. Is not particular about finding a job in NYC or SFO.

I know NYU and Georgetown kids who make 30k a summer as interns, which can offset a chunk of this. Is that true for Kelley, etc?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
How would you prioritize the following options being considered by my DS?

UVA - Instate, no direct admission to business. Will know only in 3rd year and acceptance rate is 40%
VT - InState, direct admit - Management Major
UMich - Direct Admit - Management Major - $80K
NYU - Direct Admit - Management - $90K
UF - Direct admit - Same as UVA
Kelley - Instate fee with scholarship, less than UVA - Management Major
U of SC - Instate fee with scholarship, less than UVA - Risk Mgmt
Georgetown - 80K
The student is seeking a school that provides a strong academic balance to pursue extracurricular activities and has excellent career services for recruiting. Is not particular about finding a job in NYC or SFO.

UVA’s undergrad school of business will now be a 3 year program beginning 2024. Students apply 2nd semester in their first year. I believe they are inching their way to a direct admit business program. The school also added a general business minor as an additional option to the existing business minors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thanks. Love hearing the feedback. We very likely will not have these 4 options lol. Like beyond unlikely. But thinking ahead because DS got into UGA and was offered money (not a ton) but still waiting on Wisconsin, UT Austin, UF, UNC (won't get in) Michigan, UMD oh and Vanderbilt (ridiculous reach along w. UNC)

I was told Wisconsin was "better" or more competitive than UGA.

I just panicked cause Michigan is a fortune and I know he would want to go on the unlikely chance he got in.

So in a hypothetical gets in everywhere and money is no object situation, it would be Vanderbilt, Michigan, Texas, UNC, Georgia, Wisconsin, UMD, Florida.

But everyone has their realities.

Texas and UNC are going to be unlikely. They don't take a lot of OOS. Vanderbilt is very good with financial aid, so if that works, definitely.

The real conundrum is Michigan. Great school. Ross does very well with placement. But it's fricking expensive for OOS. The kid really needs to be a gunner and promise to pay you back to make it worthwhile.

Indiana Kelley is better than Wisconsin. And I like Wisconsin. But Kelley is better.

Georgia is good, but it's going to be regional. A degree from Athens is not going to play in NY or the West Coast. Same with Florida.

One of the PPs here. The one who first brought up regional job markets. I am a mid-career Ross MBA working in the Midwest. I don't really hear of many Ross students coming from or going to the South. I'm sure some do, but it's not a focus area for Michigan students.

OOS U of Mers tend to be very wealthy and the really obvious OOS kids are from the NYC metro area. That builds the school's Northeast connections. Probably helps with Wall Street a little - but that kind of finance has never been a Michigan specialty. That probably explains the Poets and Quants ranking also shown in this thread.

Apparently Californians are among the most mobile for higher education. Partly because there are so many of them, their state schools can't meet all the demand for spaces. So again, U of M has a decent California contingent. They have all sorts of jobs from startups to entertainment law/MBA.

Texas, at times, has been an active hiring market. Some of my classmates went to Dell. Engineer MBAs have a lot of options there.

If you want to get an idea about what Ross BBAs are like, have your kid look up Youtube videos where students review their application files. Did your kid do a good job on the essays? The reviewers are tough. Even on the kids who got in.

I agree with the poster above. To get great payback on Michigan tuition, your kid will need to be more of a gunner (Type A wannabe mover and shaker) and be ready to go where the high-paying jobs are.

Some things that you mentioned later that I think are worth more discussion...Indiana is definitely worth considering. I hear a fair bit about them. I honestly wasn't aware that Wisconsin was even in the B-School game. That is not a slam - that's my truth. Their job market must not overlap much with Michigan people. I visited the Indiana campus this summer and thought it was nice/comparable to Michigan.

The employment geography after graduation issue is critical in my opinion. There are lots of successful senior businesspeople who did not go to a ranked or prestigious school. And usually a lot of favorable hometown sentiment. A fancy degree isn't very helpful if people think you're likely to be something they don't want - a snob, a person who wants too high of a salary, a person from a part of the US they have bias against, etc. Or worse, they aren't really aware of how your school fits into the rankings picture.

H.R. looks at school rankings for salary banding sometimes, but the hiring managers are the ones who usually choose the interviewees and make the final decisions. A lot of people prefer to hire people they feel comfortable with instead of people who have had different experiences from them. That's why home state/local schools often do well.

Again, I think you'll do well by reviewing the career placement info from the schools. I'm not a snob so I think it could come out in favor of U GA. Make your kid use his analytical skills to figure out the financial merits of each option, rather than going on rankings or emotion alone.

Good luck!

What ????

This is little more than a rambling diatribe--much of which is incorrect.

While all readers appreciate reading thoughts from one with an MBA from one of the schools under discussion, the thoughts should be expressed in a more coherent manner and, at the very least, be partially correct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
How would you prioritize the following options being considered by my DS?

UVA - Instate, no direct admission to business. Will know only in 3rd year and acceptance rate is 40%
VT - InState, direct admit - Management Major
UMich - Direct Admit - Management Major - $80K
NYU - Direct Admit - Management - $90K
UF - Direct admit - Same as UVA
Kelley - Instate fee with scholarship, less than UVA - Management Major
U of SC - Instate fee with scholarship, less than UVA - Risk Mgmt
Georgetown - 80K
The student is seeking a school that provides a strong academic balance to pursue extracurricular activities and has excellent career services for recruiting. Is not particular about finding a job in NYC or SFO.

First, please designate the annual cost for each program.

Second, what area of business does your son want to study--Management or Risk Management, which are very different majors even though both use the word "management" ?

Third, will student loans be required in order to attend any of these schools ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
How would you prioritize the following options being considered by my DS?

UVA - Instate, no direct admission to business. Will know only in 3rd year and acceptance rate is 40%
VT - InState, direct admit - Management Major
UMich - Direct Admit - Management Major - $80K
NYU - Direct Admit - Management - $90K
UF - Direct admit - Same as UVA
Kelley - Instate fee with scholarship, less than UVA - Management Major
U of SC - Instate fee with scholarship, less than UVA - Risk Mgmt
Georgetown - 80K
The student is seeking a school that provides a strong academic balance to pursue extracurricular activities and has excellent career services for recruiting. Is not particular about finding a job in NYC or SFO.

I know NYU and Georgetown kids who make 30k a summer as interns, which can offset a chunk of this. Is that true for Kelley, etc?

This might seem like an exception reserved for those with powerful networks. My DC is at Wharton and never did make anything close to that and most of who she made went towards temp accommodation in NYC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Depends on what business major and career objectives are. Wander over to poets and quants to get the skinny on where the tippy top financial wizards are plucking the next generation of robber barons.

1 University of Pennsylvania (Wharton) 100.00
2 University of Southern California (Marshall) 94.57
3 University of Notre Dame (Mendoza) 88.93
4 Georgetown University (McDonough) 87.65
5 Cornell University (Dyson SC John) 85.71
6 New York University (Stern) 85.35
7 University of Virginia (McIntire) 84.92
8 Washington University in St. Louis (Olin) 83.56
9 University of Michigan (Ross) 81.04
10 Carnegie Mellon University (Tepper) 79.63
11 University of North Carolina (Kenan-Flagler) 79.58
12 Georgia Institute of Technology (Scheller) 79.06
13 Emory University (Goizueta) 76.96
14 Northeastern University (D'Amore-McKim) 75.47
15 Boston University (Questrom) 73.80
16 University of Illinois (Gies) 73.37
17 Villanova University 73.00
18 Tulane University (Freeman) 72.11
19 University of Miami

That is admissions ranking, not overall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thanks. Love hearing the feedback. We very likely will not have these 4 options lol. Like beyond unlikely. But thinking ahead because DS got into UGA and was offered money (not a ton) but still waiting on Wisconsin, UT Austin, UF, UNC (won't get in) Michigan, UMD oh and Vanderbilt (ridiculous reach along w. UNC)

I was told Wisconsin was "better" or more competitive than UGA.

I just panicked cause Michigan is a fortune and I know he would want to go on the unlikely chance he got in.

So in a hypothetical gets in everywhere and money is no object situation, it would be Vanderbilt, Michigan, Texas, UNC, Georgia, Wisconsin, UMD, Florida.

But everyone has their realities.

Texas and UNC are going to be unlikely. They don't take a lot of OOS. Vanderbilt is very good with financial aid, so if that works, definitely.

The real conundrum is Michigan. Great school. Ross does very well with placement. But it's fricking expensive for OOS. The kid really needs to be a gunner and promise to pay you back to make it worthwhile.

Indiana Kelley is better than Wisconsin. And I like Wisconsin. But Kelley is better.

Georgia is good, but it's going to be regional. A degree from Athens is not going to play in NY or the West Coast. Same with Florida.

One of the PPs here. The one who first brought up regional job markets. I am a mid-career Ross MBA working in the Midwest. I don't really hear of many Ross students coming from or going to the South. I'm sure some do, but it's not a focus area for Michigan students.

OOS U of Mers tend to be very wealthy and the really obvious OOS kids are from the NYC metro area. That builds the school's Northeast connections. Probably helps with Wall Street a little - but that kind of finance has never been a Michigan specialty. That probably explains the Poets and Quants ranking also shown in this thread.

Apparently Californians are among the most mobile for higher education. Partly because there are so many of them, their state schools can't meet all the demand for spaces. So again, U of M has a decent California contingent. They have all sorts of jobs from startups to entertainment law/MBA.

Texas, at times, has been an active hiring market. Some of my classmates went to Dell. Engineer MBAs have a lot of options there.

If you want to get an idea about what Ross BBAs are like, have your kid look up Youtube videos where students review their application files. Did your kid do a good job on the essays? The reviewers are tough. Even on the kids who got in.

I agree with the poster above. To get great payback on Michigan tuition, your kid will need to be more of a gunner (Type A wannabe mover and shaker) and be ready to go where the high-paying jobs are.

Some things that you mentioned later that I think are worth more discussion...Indiana is definitely worth considering. I hear a fair bit about them. I honestly wasn't aware that Wisconsin was even in the B-School game. That is not a slam - that's my truth. Their job market must not overlap much with Michigan people. I visited the Indiana campus this summer and thought it was nice/comparable to Michigan.

The employment geography after graduation issue is critical in my opinion. There are lots of successful senior businesspeople who did not go to a ranked or prestigious school. And usually a lot of favorable hometown sentiment. A fancy degree isn't very helpful if people think you're likely to be something they don't want - a snob, a person who wants too high of a salary, a person from a part of the US they have bias against, etc. Or worse, they aren't really aware of how your school fits into the rankings picture.

H.R. looks at school rankings for salary banding sometimes, but the hiring managers are the ones who usually choose the interviewees and make the final decisions. A lot of people prefer to hire people they feel comfortable with instead of people who have had different experiences from them. That's why home state/local schools often do well.

Again, I think you'll do well by reviewing the career placement info from the schools. I'm not a snob so I think it could come out in favor of U GA. Make your kid use his analytical skills to figure out the financial merits of each option, rather than going on rankings or emotion alone.

Good luck!

What ????

This is little more than a rambling diatribe--much of which is incorrect.

While all readers appreciate reading thoughts from one with an MBA from one of the schools under discussion, the thoughts should be expressed in a more coherent manner and, at the very least, be partially correct.

OK, yep...poster here. I'm sharing my impressions. I've been a recruiter. I've been an interviewee. I know where my classmates have dispersed to. I've seen what happens to cohorts over time. I don't really have time for a stats battle but I noticed you haven't provided any. So, what's your beef...go ahead and lay it out and I'll look up the stats if it's useful for the parents here to make a decision. They're here to get ideas (and that can include subjective impressions from alumni).

[Anonymous]

Hi it's OP. This thread has gotten unnecessarily confusing. But I did notice this ranking and it's different and does include Texas? Either way, long shot!

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/news/ranking-u-s-news-best-undergraduate-business-programs-of-2024/4/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hi it's OP. This thread has gotten unnecessarily confusing. But I did notice this ranking and it's different and does include Texas? Either way, long shot!

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/news/ranking-u-s-news-best-undergraduate-business-programs-of-2024/4/

That's not Poets and Quants rankings...it's just a republishing of US News business school rankings. As they say, they include it because the general public looks at it. However, their own rankings go FAR deeper and command infinitely more respect than US News' rankings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi it's OP. This thread has gotten unnecessarily confusing. But I did notice this ranking and it's different and does include Texas? Either way, long shot!

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/news/ranking-u-s-news-best-undergraduate-business-programs-of-2024/4/

That's not Poets and Quants rankings...it's just a republishing of US News business school rankings. As they say, they include it because the general public looks at it. However, their own rankings go FAR deeper and command infinitely more respect than US News' rankings.

Ohhh got it. Thanks for clarifying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Depends on what business major and career objectives are. Wander over to poets and quants to get the skinny on where the tippy top financial wizards are plucking the next generation of robber barons.

1 University of Pennsylvania (Wharton) 100.00
2 University of Southern California (Marshall) 94.57
3 University of Notre Dame (Mendoza) 88.93
4 Georgetown University (McDonough) 87.65
5 Cornell University (Dyson SC John) 85.71
6 New York University (Stern) 85.35
7 University of Virginia (McIntire) 84.92
8 Washington University in St. Louis (Olin) 83.56
9 University of Michigan (Ross) 81.04
10 Carnegie Mellon University (Tepper) 79.63
11 University of North Carolina (Kenan-Flagler) 79.58
12 Georgia Institute of Technology (Scheller) 79.06
13 Emory University (Goizueta) 76.96
14 Northeastern University (D'Amore-McKim) 75.47
15 Boston University (Questrom) 73.80
16 University of Illinois (Gies) 73.37
17 Villanova University 73.00
18 Tulane University (Freeman) 72.11
19 University of Miami

That is admissions ranking, not overall.

And some schools are not included likely because they did not provide data (Berkeley, UT)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thanks. Love hearing the feedback. We very likely will not have these 4 options lol. Like beyond unlikely. But thinking ahead because DS got into UGA and was offered money (not a ton) but still waiting on Wisconsin, UT Austin, UF, UNC (won't get in) Michigan, UMD oh and Vanderbilt (ridiculous reach along w. UNC)

I was told Wisconsin was "better" or more competitive than UGA.

I just panicked cause Michigan is a fortune and I know he would want to go on the unlikely chance he got in.

So in a hypothetical gets in everywhere and money is no object situation, it would be Vanderbilt, Michigan, Texas, UNC, Georgia, Wisconsin, UMD, Florida.

But everyone has their realities.

Texas and UNC are going to be unlikely. They don't take a lot of OOS. Vanderbilt is very good with financial aid, so if that works, definitely.

The real conundrum is Michigan. Great school. Ross does very well with placement. But it's fricking expensive for OOS. The kid really needs to be a gunner and promise to pay you back to make it worthwhile.

Indiana Kelley is better than Wisconsin. And I like Wisconsin. But Kelley is better.

Georgia is good, but it's going to be regional. A degree from Athens is not going to play in NY or the West Coast. Same with Florida.

One of the PPs here. The one who first brought up regional job markets. I am a mid-career Ross MBA working in the Midwest. I don't really hear of many Ross students coming from or going to the South. I'm sure some do, but it's not a focus area for Michigan students.

OOS U of Mers tend to be very wealthy and the really obvious OOS kids are from the NYC metro area. That builds the school's Northeast connections. Probably helps with Wall Street a little - but that kind of finance has never been a Michigan specialty. That probably explains the Poets and Quants ranking also shown in this thread.

Apparently Californians are among the most mobile for higher education. Partly because there are so many of them, their state schools can't meet all the demand for spaces. So again, U of M has a decent California contingent. They have all sorts of jobs from startups to entertainment law/MBA.

Texas, at times, has been an active hiring market. Some of my classmates went to Dell. Engineer MBAs have a lot of options there.

If you want to get an idea about what Ross BBAs are like, have your kid look up Youtube videos where students review their application files. Did your kid do a good job on the essays? The reviewers are tough. Even on the kids who got in.

I agree with the poster above. To get great payback on Michigan tuition, your kid will need to be more of a gunner (Type A wannabe mover and shaker) and be ready to go where the high-paying jobs are.

Some things that you mentioned later that I think are worth more discussion...Indiana is definitely worth considering. I hear a fair bit about them. I honestly wasn't aware that Wisconsin was even in the B-School game. That is not a slam - that's my truth. Their job market must not overlap much with Michigan people. I visited the Indiana campus this summer and thought it was nice/comparable to Michigan.

The employment geography after graduation issue is critical in my opinion. There are lots of successful senior businesspeople who did not go to a ranked or prestigious school. And usually a lot of favorable hometown sentiment. A fancy degree isn't very helpful if people think you're likely to be something they don't want - a snob, a person who wants too high of a salary, a person from a part of the US they have bias against, etc. Or worse, they aren't really aware of how your school fits into the rankings picture.

H.R. looks at school rankings for salary banding sometimes, but the hiring managers are the ones who usually choose the interviewees and make the final decisions. A lot of people prefer to hire people they feel comfortable with instead of people who have had different experiences from them. That's why home state/local schools often do well.

Again, I think you'll do well by reviewing the career placement info from the schools. I'm not a snob so I think it could come out in favor of U GA. Make your kid use his analytical skills to figure out the financial merits of each option, rather than going on rankings or emotion alone.

Good luck!

What ????

This is little more than a rambling diatribe--much of which is incorrect.

While all readers appreciate reading thoughts from one with an MBA from one of the schools under discussion, the thoughts should be expressed in a more coherent manner and, at the very least, be partially correct.

I’m interested in this thread. I thought that post was excellent and rather succinct. What exactly do you contend with?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thanks. Love hearing the feedback. We very likely will not have these 4 options lol. Like beyond unlikely. But thinking ahead because DS got into UGA and was offered money (not a ton) but still waiting on Wisconsin, UT Austin, UF, UNC (won't get in) Michigan, UMD oh and Vanderbilt (ridiculous reach along w. UNC)

I was told Wisconsin was "better" or more competitive than UGA.

I just panicked cause Michigan is a fortune and I know he would want to go on the unlikely chance he got in.

So in a hypothetical gets in everywhere and money is no object situation, it would be Vanderbilt, Michigan, Texas, UNC, Georgia, Wisconsin, UMD, Florida.

But everyone has their realities.

Texas and UNC are going to be unlikely. They don't take a lot of OOS. Vanderbilt is very good with financial aid, so if that works, definitely.

The real conundrum is Michigan. Great school. Ross does very well with placement. But it's fricking expensive for OOS. The kid really needs to be a gunner and promise to pay you back to make it worthwhile.

Indiana Kelley is better than Wisconsin. And I like Wisconsin. But Kelley is better.

Georgia is good, but it's going to be regional. A degree from Athens is not going to play in NY or the West Coast. Same with Florida.

One of the PPs here. The one who first brought up regional job markets. I am a mid-career Ross MBA working in the Midwest. I don't really hear of many Ross students coming from or going to the South. I'm sure some do, but it's not a focus area for Michigan students.

OOS U of Mers tend to be very wealthy and the really obvious OOS kids are from the NYC metro area. That builds the school's Northeast connections. Probably helps with Wall Street a little - but that kind of finance has never been a Michigan specialty. That probably explains the Poets and Quants ranking also shown in this thread.

Apparently Californians are among the most mobile for higher education. Partly because there are so many of them, their state schools can't meet all the demand for spaces. So again, U of M has a decent California contingent. They have all sorts of jobs from startups to entertainment law/MBA.

Texas, at times, has been an active hiring market. Some of my classmates went to Dell. Engineer MBAs have a lot of options there.

If you want to get an idea about what Ross BBAs are like, have your kid look up Youtube videos where students review their application files. Did your kid do a good job on the essays? The reviewers are tough. Even on the kids who got in.

I agree with the poster above. To get great payback on Michigan tuition, your kid will need to be more of a gunner (Type A wannabe mover and shaker) and be ready to go where the high-paying jobs are.

Some things that you mentioned later that I think are worth more discussion...Indiana is definitely worth considering. I hear a fair bit about them. I honestly wasn't aware that Wisconsin was even in the B-School game. That is not a slam - that's my truth. Their job market must not overlap much with Michigan people. I visited the Indiana campus this summer and thought it was nice/comparable to Michigan.

The employment geography after graduation issue is critical in my opinion. There are lots of successful senior businesspeople who did not go to a ranked or prestigious school. And usually a lot of favorable hometown sentiment. A fancy degree isn't very helpful if people think you're likely to be something they don't want - a snob, a person who wants too high of a salary, a person from a part of the US they have bias against, etc. Or worse, they aren't really aware of how your school fits into the rankings picture.

H.R. looks at school rankings for salary banding sometimes, but the hiring managers are the ones who usually choose the interviewees and make the final decisions. A lot of people prefer to hire people they feel comfortable with instead of people who have had different experiences from them. That's why home state/local schools often do well.

Again, I think you'll do well by reviewing the career placement info from the schools. I'm not a snob so I think it could come out in favor of U GA. Make your kid use his analytical skills to figure out the financial merits of each option, rather than going on rankings or emotion alone.

Good luck!

What ????

This is little more than a rambling diatribe--much of which is incorrect.

While all readers appreciate reading thoughts from one with an MBA from one of the schools under discussion, the thoughts should be expressed in a more coherent manner and, at the very least, be partially correct.

I’m interested in this thread. I thought that post was excellent and rather succinct. What exactly do you contend with?

Nothing about that post was succinct.

Not trying to be impolite, but there is nothing of value in that rambling disjointed post. Appears to be just random thoughts scribbled in a hurry.

What do you find informative in that post ?

Also, lots of silly comments about recruiting and snobbery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thanks. Love hearing the feedback. We very likely will not have these 4 options lol. Like beyond unlikely. But thinking ahead because DS got into UGA and was offered money (not a ton) but still waiting on Wisconsin, UT Austin, UF, UNC (won't get in) Michigan, UMD oh and Vanderbilt (ridiculous reach along w. UNC)

I was told Wisconsin was "better" or more competitive than UGA.

I just panicked cause Michigan is a fortune and I know he would want to go on the unlikely chance he got in.

So in a hypothetical gets in everywhere and money is no object situation, it would be Vanderbilt, Michigan, Texas, UNC, Georgia, Wisconsin, UMD, Florida.

But everyone has their realities.

Texas and UNC are going to be unlikely. They don't take a lot of OOS. Vanderbilt is very good with financial aid, so if that works, definitely.

The real conundrum is Michigan. Great school. Ross does very well with placement. But it's fricking expensive for OOS. The kid really needs to be a gunner and promise to pay you back to make it worthwhile.

Indiana Kelley is better than Wisconsin. And I like Wisconsin. But Kelley is better.

Georgia is good, but it's going to be regional. A degree from Athens is not going to play in NY or the West Coast. Same with Florida.

One of the PPs here. The one who first brought up regional job markets. I am a mid-career Ross MBA working in the Midwest. I don't really hear of many Ross students coming from or going to the South. I'm sure some do, but it's not a focus area for Michigan students.

OOS U of Mers tend to be very wealthy and the really obvious OOS kids are from the NYC metro area. That builds the school's Northeast connections. Probably helps with Wall Street a little - but that kind of finance has never been a Michigan specialty. That probably explains the Poets and Quants ranking also shown in this thread.

Apparently Californians are among the most mobile for higher education. Partly because there are so many of them, their state schools can't meet all the demand for spaces. So again, U of M has a decent California contingent. They have all sorts of jobs from startups to entertainment law/MBA.

Texas, at times, has been an active hiring market. Some of my classmates went to Dell. Engineer MBAs have a lot of options there.

If you want to get an idea about what Ross BBAs are like, have your kid look up Youtube videos where students review their application files. Did your kid do a good job on the essays? The reviewers are tough. Even on the kids who got in.

I agree with the poster above. To get great payback on Michigan tuition, your kid will need to be more of a gunner (Type A wannabe mover and shaker) and be ready to go where the high-paying jobs are.

Some things that you mentioned later that I think are worth more discussion...Indiana is definitely worth considering. I hear a fair bit about them. I honestly wasn't aware that Wisconsin was even in the B-School game. That is not a slam - that's my truth. Their job market must not overlap much with Michigan people. I visited the Indiana campus this summer and thought it was nice/comparable to Michigan.

The employment geography after graduation issue is critical in my opinion. There are lots of successful senior businesspeople who did not go to a ranked or prestigious school. And usually a lot of favorable hometown sentiment. A fancy degree isn't very helpful if people think you're likely to be something they don't want - a snob, a person who wants too high of a salary, a person from a part of the US they have bias against, etc. Or worse, they aren't really aware of how your school fits into the rankings picture.

H.R. looks at school rankings for salary banding sometimes, but the hiring managers are the ones who usually choose the interviewees and make the final decisions. A lot of people prefer to hire people they feel comfortable with instead of people who have had different experiences from them. That's why home state/local schools often do well.

Again, I think you'll do well by reviewing the career placement info from the schools. I'm not a snob so I think it could come out in favor of U GA. Make your kid use his analytical skills to figure out the financial merits of each option, rather than going on rankings or emotion alone.

Good luck!

What ????

This is little more than a rambling diatribe--much of which is incorrect.

While all readers appreciate reading thoughts from one with an MBA from one of the schools under discussion, the thoughts should be expressed in a more coherent manner and, at the very least, be partially correct.

I’m interested in this thread. I thought that post was excellent and rather succinct. What exactly do you contend with?

Nothing about that post was succinct.

Not trying to be impolite, but there is nothing of value in that rambling disjointed post. Appears to be just random thoughts scribbled in a hurry.

What do you find informative in that post ?

Also, lots of silly comments about recruiting and snobbery.

Imagine for a moment that not all of us think like you do. Also imagine responding to a post on here without being a d*ck about it.

To answer your question I appreciated the poster’s comments about thinking about postgrad locales when picking undergrad programs. Also the comments about recruiting that you so disdain is something that I never had to go through in my professional career. I’m a liberal arts major so some of this stuff is somewhat new to our family. Hearing from somebody with multiple vantage points about a topic foremost on my mind was appreciated.

But by all means you do you. It seems to really be working.