MC early college to UMD transfer

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Anonymous wrote:Let's be real. Handing out AA/AS degrees to students who are going to move on to 4 year schools as freshmen is a farce.

If you want to go to EC/MC for classes like Criminology or other very specific courses that high schools don't offer, go for it and enjoy. But MCPS promoting MC handing out worthless Associates degrees and promoting a fake status of "you're going to college early because you aren't as lazy or dumb as our basement level expectations for a standard high school diploma" is ridiculous.

What is ridiculous is how much you are complaining about an option that you aren’t forced to choose. There are many reasons why students may find going to MC in the early college program worthwhile. Just because you can’t imagine it doesn’t make it a poor choice for them.

Well said.

Actually, the problem with your argument is that MCPS is spending money on the program, when what they should be doing is restoring rigor and gate-keeping in high school courses. A program like this gets noisy parents to stop advocating for better high schools, lets them think that their children are "advanced," so strokes their egos, and puts kids in classes that are more vo-tec without having an underlying well-rounded foundation. For kids who want to go straight into the work world, maybe this would be OK. For college prep students, taking classes like "Intro to Special Education" or "Intro to Behavioral Health Promotion" or even "Accounting" when they should be taking foreign language or world history, etc. is silly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's be real. Handing out AA/AS degrees to students who are going to move on to 4 year schools as freshmen is a farce.

If you want to go to EC/MC for classes like Criminology or other very specific courses that high schools don't offer, go for it and enjoy. But MCPS promoting MC handing out worthless Associates degrees and promoting a fake status of "you're going to college early because you aren't as lazy or dumb as our basement level expectations for a standard high school diploma" is ridiculous.

What is ridiculous is how much you are complaining about an option that you aren’t forced to choose. There are many reasons why students may find going to MC in the early college program worthwhile. Just because you can’t imagine it doesn’t make it a poor choice for them.

Well said.

Actually, the problem with your argument is that MCPS is spending money on the program, when what they should be doing is restoring rigor and gate-keeping in high school courses. A program like this gets noisy parents to stop advocating for better high schools, lets them think that their children are "advanced," so strokes their egos, and puts kids in classes that are more vo-tec without having an underlying well-rounded foundation. For kids who want to go straight into the work world, maybe this would be OK. For college prep students, taking classes like "Intro to Special Education" or "Intro to Behavioral Health Promotion" or even "Accounting" when they should be taking foreign language or world history, etc. is silly.

It's not MCPS, it's Maryland Blueprint offering all of these MC programs for FREE!! I honestly think all of the dual enrollment programs are more structured for the students who want the AA 2 year degree to then go into the workforce. These students maybe can't afford 4 year college or have other extenuating circumstances that prevent them from continuing in college. The students who are using these programs for "rigor" purposes or to get into a select program at UMD are much better off taking AP/IB classes. Good universities look at those classes as more rigorous than taking a community college class/program. UMD computer science, business and engineering are NOT guaranteed for EC students (despite what MC or the HS are telling you)!

[Anonymous]

Here is another program for those interested in STEM fields- STEM Ready. It’s a partnership between MCPS, MC, and the universities at Shady Grove.

There is mentoring in HS, support moving to MC for an associates, then to USG for bachelor degree. It’s typically a 6 year path and can be combined with middle college or early college, but doesn’t have to be.
https://shadygrove.umbc.edu/stem-ready/
The application deadline is next week- 2/28
It was first marked to rising juniors, but now it looks like rising seniors can also apply.
It’s not UMD, it’s UMBC at Shady Grove but has a lot of support for kids who may want to go that route.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's be real. Handing out AA/AS degrees to students who are going to move on to 4 year schools as freshmen is a farce.

If you want to go to EC/MC for classes like Criminology or other very specific courses that high schools don't offer, go for it and enjoy. But MCPS promoting MC handing out worthless Associates degrees and promoting a fake status of "you're going to college early because you aren't as lazy or dumb as our basement level expectations for a standard high school diploma" is ridiculous.

What is ridiculous is how much you are complaining about an option that you aren’t forced to choose. There are many reasons why students may find going to MC in the early college program worthwhile. Just because you can’t imagine it doesn’t make it a poor choice for them.

Well said.

Actually, the problem with your argument is that MCPS is spending money on the program, when what they should be doing is restoring rigor and gate-keeping in high school courses. A program like this gets noisy parents to stop advocating for better high schools, lets them think that their children are "advanced," so strokes their egos, and puts kids in classes that are more vo-tec without having an underlying well-rounded foundation. For kids who want to go straight into the work world, maybe this would be OK. For college prep students, taking classes like "Intro to Special Education" or "Intro to Behavioral Health Promotion" or even "Accounting" when they should be taking foreign language or world history, etc. is silly.

See, you have no idea of what you're talking about. Do us a favor and familiarize yourself with the program

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's be real. Handing out AA/AS degrees to students who are going to move on to 4 year schools as freshmen is a farce.

If you want to go to EC/MC for classes like Criminology or other very specific courses that high schools don't offer, go for it and enjoy. But MCPS promoting MC handing out worthless Associates degrees and promoting a fake status of "you're going to college early because you aren't as lazy or dumb as our basement level expectations for a standard high school diploma" is ridiculous.

What is ridiculous is how much you are complaining about an option that you aren’t forced to choose. There are many reasons why students may find going to MC in the early college program worthwhile. Just because you can’t imagine it doesn’t make it a poor choice for them.

Well said.

Actually, the problem with your argument is that MCPS is spending money on the program, when what they should be doing is restoring rigor and gate-keeping in high school courses. A program like this gets noisy parents to stop advocating for better high schools, lets them think that their children are "advanced," so strokes their egos, and puts kids in classes that are more vo-tec without having an underlying well-rounded foundation. For kids who want to go straight into the work world, maybe this would be OK. For college prep students, taking classes like "Intro to Special Education" or "Intro to Behavioral Health Promotion" or even "Accounting" when they should be taking foreign language or world history, etc. is silly.

It's not MCPS, it's Maryland Blueprint offering all of these MC programs for FREE!! I honestly think all of the dual enrollment programs are more structured for the students who want the AA 2 year degree to then go into the workforce. These students maybe can't afford 4 year college or have other extenuating circumstances that prevent them from continuing in college. The students who are using these programs for "rigor" purposes or to get into a select program at UMD are much better off taking AP/IB classes. Good universities look at those classes as more rigorous than taking a community college class/program. UMD computer science, business and engineering are NOT guaranteed for EC students (despite what MC or the HS are telling you)!

As someone who has an EC student I’ve never perceived anyone as saying that it guaranteed admission anywhere in any subject.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's be real. Handing out AA/AS degrees to students who are going to move on to 4 year schools as freshmen is a farce.

If you want to go to EC/MC for classes like Criminology or other very specific courses that high schools don't offer, go for it and enjoy. But MCPS promoting MC handing out worthless Associates degrees and promoting a fake status of "you're going to college early because you aren't as lazy or dumb as our basement level expectations for a standard high school diploma" is ridiculous.

What is ridiculous is how much you are complaining about an option that you aren’t forced to choose. There are many reasons why students may find going to MC in the early college program worthwhile. Just because you can’t imagine it doesn’t make it a poor choice for them.

Well said.

Actually, the problem with your argument is that MCPS is spending money on the program, when what they should be doing is restoring rigor and gate-keeping in high school courses. A program like this gets noisy parents to stop advocating for better high schools, lets them think that their children are "advanced," so strokes their egos, and puts kids in classes that are more vo-tec without having an underlying well-rounded foundation. For kids who want to go straight into the work world, maybe this would be OK. For college prep students, taking classes like "Intro to Special Education" or "Intro to Behavioral Health Promotion" or even "Accounting" when they should be taking foreign language or world history, etc. is silly.

See, you have no idea of what you're talking about. Do us a favor and familiarize yourself with the program

World history is part of the mandatory curriculum. And explain to me please how differential equations in early college is only appropriate for kids that want to go “directly into the work world” when the highest math offered at almost all MCPS schools is limited to MVC.

It seems you are totally unfamiliar with the curriculum. If it doesn’t make sense for your kid, that fine. Don’t send them. But don’t misrepresent the program due to unfamiliarity with the basics or some undisclosed grudge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's be real. Handing out AA/AS degrees to students who are going to move on to 4 year schools as freshmen is a farce.

If you want to go to EC/MC for classes like Criminology or other very specific courses that high schools don't offer, go for it and enjoy. But MCPS promoting MC handing out worthless Associates degrees and promoting a fake status of "you're going to college early because you aren't as lazy or dumb as our basement level expectations for a standard high school diploma" is ridiculous.

What is ridiculous is how much you are complaining about an option that you aren’t forced to choose. There are many reasons why students may find going to MC in the early college program worthwhile. Just because you can’t imagine it doesn’t make it a poor choice for them.

Well said.

Actually, the problem with your argument is that MCPS is spending money on the program, when what they should be doing is restoring rigor and gate-keeping in high school courses. A program like this gets noisy parents to stop advocating for better high schools, lets them think that their children are "advanced," so strokes their egos, and puts kids in classes that are more vo-tec without having an underlying well-rounded foundation. For kids who want to go straight into the work world, maybe this would be OK. For college prep students, taking classes like "Intro to Special Education" or "Intro to Behavioral Health Promotion" or even "Accounting" when they should be taking foreign language or world history, etc. is silly.

See, you have no idea of what you're talking about. Do us a favor and familiarize yourself with the program

World history is part of the mandatory curriculum. And explain to me please how differential equations in early college is only appropriate for kids that want to go “directly into the work world” when the highest math offered at almost all MCPS schools is limited to MVC.

It seems you are totally unfamiliar with the curriculum. If it doesn’t make sense for your kid, that fine. Don’t send them. But don’t misrepresent the program due to unfamiliarity with the basics or some undisclosed grudge.

Like I said, familiarize yourself with the program then we will talk

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you for everyone with the insight on this! The whole early college/dual enrollment/virtual middle college info is so confusing!
Originally my DC (9th) wanted to do virtual middle college (DC does great with online learning), but the program coordinators at MC are giving zero info and our school counselor is not even aware of the program. Now I am rethinking this whole process. What is the point of getting an AA if you cant just transfer and have to apply as Freshman?

You apply as a freshman but you still get the credits to transfer and would be considered a Junior

Right but that does not count for anything other than early class registration spring of first year. My kid is a junior off of AP credits and MCPS magnet math classes.

Yes it does, you could complete your bachelors degree in 2 years assuming a the credits transfered are for the right major. How would your child be considered a junior? If you pass an AP test you would probably get 3 or 4 credits. According to UMD, a junior is considered a junior if they have 60 credits. Did you child take 15-20 AP classes? Let's say they did and are pre med. Most of the AP credit wouldn't even apply to there major. For example, AP Human geography, art history, micro, macro, gov, euro, us history, computer science (I could go on). They could probably skip a few intro classes. If your kid was trying to get a Biology degree all these classes would not really be useful( except for gen ed requirements). But if you did Early college/middle college, they could take all the gen ed requirements and some major specific requirements like Biology 1&2, Chemistry 1&2, Organic Chemistry, Anatomy and Physiology, Microbiology. They could graduate in 2 years.

You missed my second part as I hit send too soon. My kid came in with 50 credits and is a junior after 1 semester. 12 APs all 4s and 5s and credit for a linear algebra and MVC. Can graduate in 3 years.

Mine came in with 55 off AP credits and probably could have graduated in 2.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's be real. Handing out AA/AS degrees to students who are going to move on to 4 year schools as freshmen is a farce.

If you want to go to EC/MC for classes like Criminology or other very specific courses that high schools don't offer, go for it and enjoy. But MCPS promoting MC handing out worthless Associates degrees and promoting a fake status of "you're going to college early because you aren't as lazy or dumb as our basement level expectations for a standard high school diploma" is ridiculous.

What is ridiculous is how much you are complaining about an option that you aren’t forced to choose. There are many reasons why students may find going to MC in the early college program worthwhile. Just because you can’t imagine it doesn’t make it a poor choice for them.

Well said.

Actually, the problem with your argument is that MCPS is spending money on the program, when what they should be doing is restoring rigor and gate-keeping in high school courses. A program like this gets noisy parents to stop advocating for better high schools, lets them think that their children are "advanced," so strokes their egos, and puts kids in classes that are more vo-tec without having an underlying well-rounded foundation. For kids who want to go straight into the work world, maybe this would be OK. For college prep students, taking classes like "Intro to Special Education" or "Intro to Behavioral Health Promotion" or even "Accounting" when they should be taking foreign language or world history, etc. is silly.

See, you have no idea of what you're talking about. Do us a favor and familiarize yourself with the program

World history is part of the mandatory curriculum. And explain to me please how differential equations in early college is only appropriate for kids that want to go “directly into the work world” when the highest math offered at almost all MCPS schools is limited to MVC.

It seems you are totally unfamiliar with the curriculum. If it doesn’t make sense for your kid, that fine. Don’t send them. But don’t misrepresent the program due to unfamiliarity with the basics or some undisclosed grudge.

Like I said, familiarize yourself with the program then we will talk

Apologies, mean to respond to PP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank you for everyone with the insight on this! The whole early college/dual enrollment/virtual middle college info is so confusing!
Originally my DC (9th) wanted to do virtual middle college (DC does great with online learning), but the program coordinators at MC are giving zero info and our school counselor is not even aware of the program. Now I am rethinking this whole process. What is the point of getting an AA if you cant just transfer and have to apply as Freshman?

You apply as a freshman but you still get the credits to transfer and would be considered a Junior

Right but that does not count for anything other than early class registration spring of first year. My kid is a junior off of AP credits and MCPS magnet math classes.

Yes it does, you could complete your bachelors degree in 2 years assuming a the credits transfered are for the right major. How would your child be considered a junior? If you pass an AP test you would probably get 3 or 4 credits. According to UMD, a junior is considered a junior if they have 60 credits. Did you child take 15-20 AP classes? Let's say they did and are pre med. Most of the AP credit wouldn't even apply to there major. For example, AP Human geography, art history, micro, macro, gov, euro, us history, computer science (I could go on). They could probably skip a few intro classes. If your kid was trying to get a Biology degree all these classes would not really be useful( except for gen ed requirements). But if you did Early college/middle college, they could take all the gen ed requirements and some major specific requirements like Biology 1&2, Chemistry 1&2, Organic Chemistry, Anatomy and Physiology, Microbiology. They could graduate in 2 years.

You missed my second part as I hit send too soon. My kid came in with 50 credits and is a junior after 1 semester. 12 APs all 4s and 5s and credit for a linear algebra and MVC. Can graduate in 3 years.

Mine came in with 55 off AP credits and probably could have graduated in 2.

Hit send too soon. Just mentioning this since it is possible to get the same credits without doing early college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's be real. Handing out AA/AS degrees to students who are going to move on to 4 year schools as freshmen is a farce.

If you want to go to EC/MC for classes like Criminology or other very specific courses that high schools don't offer, go for it and enjoy. But MCPS promoting MC handing out worthless Associates degrees and promoting a fake status of "you're going to college early because you aren't as lazy or dumb as our basement level expectations for a standard high school diploma" is ridiculous.

What is ridiculous is how much you are complaining about an option that you aren’t forced to choose. There are many reasons why students may find going to MC in the early college program worthwhile. Just because you can’t imagine it doesn’t make it a poor choice for them.

Well said.

Actually, the problem with your argument is that MCPS is spending money on the program, when what they should be doing is restoring rigor and gate-keeping in high school courses. A program like this gets noisy parents to stop advocating for better high schools, lets them think that their children are "advanced," so strokes their egos, and puts kids in classes that are more vo-tec without having an underlying well-rounded foundation. For kids who want to go straight into the work world, maybe this would be OK. For college prep students, taking classes like "Intro to Special Education" or "Intro to Behavioral Health Promotion" or even "Accounting" when they should be taking foreign language or world history, etc. is silly.

See, you have no idea of what you're talking about. Do us a favor and familiarize yourself with the program

World history is part of the mandatory curriculum. And explain to me please how differential equations in early college is only appropriate for kids that want to go “directly into the work world” when the highest math offered at almost all MCPS schools is limited to MVC.

It seems you are totally unfamiliar with the curriculum. If it doesn’t make sense for your kid, that fine. Don’t send them. But don’t misrepresent the program due to unfamiliarity with the basics or some undisclosed grudge.

It seems like you are the one unfamiliar with the options. If your child takes Diff E, obviously, that is not vo-tech. But they could have taken that before this program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's be real. Handing out AA/AS degrees to students who are going to move on to 4 year schools as freshmen is a farce.

If you want to go to EC/MC for classes like Criminology or other very specific courses that high schools don't offer, go for it and enjoy. But MCPS promoting MC handing out worthless Associates degrees and promoting a fake status of "you're going to college early because you aren't as lazy or dumb as our basement level expectations for a standard high school diploma" is ridiculous.

What is ridiculous is how much you are complaining about an option that you aren’t forced to choose. There are many reasons why students may find going to MC in the early college program worthwhile. Just because you can’t imagine it doesn’t make it a poor choice for them.

Reading comprehension is fundamental.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's be real. Handing out AA/AS degrees to students who are going to move on to 4 year schools as freshmen is a farce.

If you want to go to EC/MC for classes like Criminology or other very specific courses that high schools don't offer, go for it and enjoy. But MCPS promoting MC handing out worthless Associates degrees and promoting a fake status of "you're going to college early because you aren't as lazy or dumb as our basement level expectations for a standard high school diploma" is ridiculous.

What is ridiculous is how much you are complaining about an option that you aren’t forced to choose. There are many reasons why students may find going to MC in the early college program worthwhile. Just because you can’t imagine it doesn’t make it a poor choice for them.

Well said.

Actually, the problem with your argument is that MCPS is spending money on the program, when what they should be doing is restoring rigor and gate-keeping in high school courses. A program like this gets noisy parents to stop advocating for better high schools, lets them think that their children are "advanced," so strokes their egos, and puts kids in classes that are more vo-tec without having an underlying well-rounded foundation. For kids who want to go straight into the work world, maybe this would be OK. For college prep students, taking classes like "Intro to Special Education" or "Intro to Behavioral Health Promotion" or even "Accounting" when they should be taking foreign language or world history, etc. is silly.

See, you have no idea of what you're talking about. Do us a favor and familiarize yourself with the program

World history is part of the mandatory curriculum. And explain to me please how differential equations in early college is only appropriate for kids that want to go “directly into the work world” when the highest math offered at almost all MCPS schools is limited to MVC.

It seems you are totally unfamiliar with the curriculum. If it doesn’t make sense for your kid, that fine. Don’t send them. But don’t misrepresent the program due to unfamiliarity with the basics or some undisclosed grudge.

It seems like you are the one unfamiliar with the options. If your child takes Diff E, obviously, that is not vo-tech. But they could have taken that before this program.

Once again, I didn’t claim this was the only option. Nor did I claim APs couldn’t also get a student a lot of credits. I’m just seriously perplexed what benefit you get from actively misrepresenting a totally voluntary program that is a great fit for some kids who really seem to enjoy and have good outcomes from the program.