absurdity of management consultants

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tell me again why they make so much money to provide worthless advice, BS the whole time, and make fancy PowerPoint slides.

Our company made us take management coaching. Get on the zoom call and there's some 28-30 year old trying to talk about leadership and how they use psychology
, behavioral science etc. to evaluate and provide advice. Truly laughable someone less than 30 years old and who is probably still paying off their student loans thinks they have the experience to train people on how to become leaders.


McKinsey, Bain, etc ....all the most worthless orgs and parasites on the entire economy and country.

Well, consider the opposite. They are there because they can analyze situations differently with fresh eyes and sharp brains than mediocre and jaded experienced people.

As far as student debt goes, they get paid well and shed student debt pretty quickly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Tell me again why they make so much money to provide worthless advice, BS the whole time, and make fancy PowerPoint slides.

Our company made us take management coaching. Get on the zoom call and there's some 28-30 year old trying to talk about leadership and how they use psychology
, behavioral science etc. to evaluate and provide advice. Truly laughable someone less than 30 years old and who is probably still paying off their student loans thinks they have the experience to train people on how to become leaders.


McKinsey, Bain, etc ....all the most worthless orgs and parasites on the entire economy and country.

Well, consider the opposite. They are there because they can analyze situations differently with fresh eyes and sharp brains than mediocre and jaded experienced people.

As far as student debt goes, they get paid well and shed student debt pretty quickly.

You can think that, but you are only there to blame unpopular decisions on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thank you for making this post, op. I am in a new position (fed), and the level of bs I see at this new level is appalling. So many people in jobs with no actual function, meetings that could be emails (or instant messages), unnecessary "action committees," naming committees, etc. I don't know if I should escape the charade or silently ride it out until retirement.

Half of federal positions could be deleted, and there would be no significant function loss. I know the thread is about management consultants, but it applies to the feds, too, because the overarching theme is frustration with BS.

The two career tracks have absolutely nothing in common. Go grind your anti-Fed axe elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:Yet somehow you guys keep paying us. Been in the industry 30 years.

It's almost as if maybe these consulting firms might have something new or relevant to teach the blowhards that think they know it all.

No, it's that bad managers try to subcontract their jobs and are susceptible to marketing and bribes. The working talent are collateral damage.

Lol. If you were actually talented and valuable you would have been promoted out of the daily grind role. You’re in these classes because you’re not good at your job.

Says one more smug DCUMer who is so much more talented than all the proletarians.

Thank you I am.

You're in the category with pharma reps and lobbyists for harmful industries. At best, bullshit jobs that add no value, at worst, hastening our demise through runaway capitalism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Tell me again why they make so much money to provide worthless advice, BS the whole time, and make fancy PowerPoint slides.

Our company made us take management coaching. Get on the zoom call and there's some 28-30 year old trying to talk about leadership and how they use psychology
, behavioral science etc. to evaluate and provide advice. Truly laughable someone less than 30 years old and who is probably still paying off their student loans thinks they have the experience to train people on how to become leaders.


McKinsey, Bain, etc ....all the most worthless orgs and parasites on the entire economy and country.

Well, consider the opposite. They are there because they can analyze situations differently with fresh eyes and sharp brains than mediocre and jaded experienced people.

As far as student debt goes, they get paid well and shed student debt pretty quickly.

What value do you add? Yuck.

[Anonymous]

The real tragedy of management consulting is the criminal brain drain of some of our best and brightest to an industry designed to squeeze ever more profit out of the planet and out of people. The flow of our top students, who have been nurtured for decades through our education system, to private equity, investment banking and the most BS of all, management consulting, is tragic. Rather than educate, heal, or develop technical solutions to urgent problems, some of our best and brightest are instead lured into these bullshit jobs that harm people and the biosphere we depend upon -for money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The real tragedy of management consulting is the criminal brain drain of some of our best and brightest to an industry designed to squeeze ever more profit out of the planet and out of people. The flow of our top students, who have been nurtured for decades through our education system, to private equity, investment banking and the most BS of all, management consulting, is tragic. Rather than educate, heal, or develop technical solutions to urgent problems, some of our best and brightest are instead lured into these bullshit jobs that harm people and the biosphere we depend upon -for money.

This. Spend a little time in the college forum and you’ll find tons of posts from parents afraid their kid’s 1540 SAT won’t get them the consulting or private equity job they want for them. Our country is doomed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tell me again why they make so much money to provide worthless advice, BS the whole time, and make fancy PowerPoint slides.

Our company made us take management coaching. Get on the zoom call and there's some 28-30 year old trying to talk about leadership and how they use psychology
, behavioral science etc. to evaluate and provide advice. Truly laughable someone less than 30 years old and who is probably still paying off their student loans thinks they have the experience to train people on how to become leaders.


McKinsey, Bain, etc ....all the most worthless orgs and parasites on the entire economy and country.

Well, consider the opposite. They are there because they can analyze situations differently with fresh eyes and sharp brains than mediocre and jaded experienced people.

As far as student debt goes, they get paid well and shed student debt pretty quickly.

Too funny.

Since when do consultants ever have sharp brains? The entire industry is just a checkbox in a resume for dimwitted ivy elitists who want to climb the corporate lader while they simultaneously ruin the entire world and country around them.

Most worthless job ever. Dumbest people ever. I bet they don't even realize how much they're hated by people who actually do real work for a living.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yet somehow you guys keep paying us. Been in the industry 30 years.

It's almost as if maybe these consulting firms might have something new or relevant to teach the blowhards that think they know it all.

No, it's that bad managers try to subcontract their jobs and are susceptible to marketing and bribes. The working talent are collateral damage.

Lol. If you were actually talented and valuable you would have been promoted out of the daily grind role. You’re in these classes because you’re not good at your job.

Says one more smug DCUMer who is so much more talented than all the proletarians.

Thank you I am.

You're in the category with pharma reps and lobbyists for harmful industries. At best, bullshit jobs that add no value, at worst, hastening our demise through runaway capitalism.

+10000

How many jobs have worthless consultants cost? How many people have they killed with their stupid advice and backroom tactics?

Consultants are capitalist whores who'd sell their children to make a dollar. 100% right they're bottom of the barrel along with lobbyists.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it either, OP.

What’s funny is that they have MBAs from top schools, and they’re taught by people who’ve never seen the world outside of an ivory tower. My brother is a PhD, teaches MBA students at a fancy university, and has never had a non-academic job. He knows nothing about the real world.

Trust me. It's no different at the World Bank and the IMF. And they advise countries. Not a lot of real world experience - running a business, managing a farm, working at a factory or a power plant. Nothing. But their degrees are from the right schools and they know the right people. 'Tis the way of the world.

sounds like a lot of SES

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The real tragedy of management consulting is the criminal brain drain of some of our best and brightest to an industry designed to squeeze ever more profit out of the planet and out of people. The flow of our top students, who have been nurtured for decades through our education system, to private equity, investment banking and the most BS of all, management consulting, is tragic. Rather than educate, heal, or develop technical solutions to urgent problems, some of our best and brightest are instead lured into these bullshit jobs that harm people and the biosphere we depend upon -for money.

This. Spend a little time in the college forum and you’ll find tons of posts from parents afraid their kid’s 1540 SAT won’t get them the consulting or private equity job they want for them. Our country is doomed.

There exist DCUM spawn who aspire to these jobs instead of going into medicine

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The real tragedy of management consulting is the criminal brain drain of some of our best and brightest to an industry designed to squeeze ever more profit out of the planet and out of people. The flow of our top students, who have been nurtured for decades through our education system, to private equity, investment banking and the most BS of all, management consulting, is tragic. Rather than educate, heal, or develop technical solutions to urgent problems, some of our best and brightest are instead lured into these bullshit jobs that harm people and the biosphere we depend upon -for money.

Amen!

There was one year where something like 60% of senior class at Yale interviewed with McKinsey and people were rightfully horrified. Add me to that list.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yet somehow you guys keep paying us. Been in the industry 30 years.

It's almost as if maybe these consulting firms might have something new or relevant to teach the blowhards that think they know it all.

No, it's that bad managers try to subcontract their jobs and are susceptible to marketing and bribes. The working talent are collateral damage.

Lol. If you were actually talented and valuable you would have been promoted out of the daily grind role. You’re in these classes because you’re not good at your job.

Says one more smug DCUMer who is so much more talented than all the proletarians.

Thank you I am.

You're in the category with pharma reps and lobbyists for harmful industries. At best, bullshit jobs that add no value, at worst, hastening our demise through runaway capitalism.

+10000

How many jobs have worthless consultants cost? How many people have they killed with their stupid advice and backroom tactics?

Consultants are capitalist whores who'd sell their children to make a dollar. 100% right they're bottom of the barrel along with lobbyists.

I've posted this before: I read "When McKinsey Comes to Town" and I am convinced that McKinsey and its ilk are responsible for all that ails America today. From wealth inequality to the opioid epidemic, they have had a hand, or instigated, all of it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Tell me again why they make so much money to provide worthless advice, BS the whole time, and make fancy PowerPoint slides.

Our company made us take management coaching. Get on the zoom call and there's some 28-30 year old trying to talk about leadership and how they use psychology
, behavioral science etc. to evaluate and provide advice. Truly laughable someone less than 30 years old and who is probably still paying off their student loans thinks they have the experience to train people on how to become leaders.


McKinsey, Bain, etc ....all the most worthless orgs and parasites on the entire economy and country.

Well, consider the opposite. They are there because they can analyze situations differently with fresh eyes and sharp brains than mediocre and jaded experienced people.

As far as student debt goes, they get paid well and shed student debt pretty quickly.

Too funny.

Since when do consultants ever have sharp brains? The entire industry is just a checkbox in a resume for dimwitted ivy elitists who want to climb the corporate lader while they simultaneously ruin the entire world and country around them.

Most worthless job ever. Dumbest people ever. I bet they don't even realize how much they're hated by people who actually do real work for a living.

I work in higher ed and most of us have been involved in online education, credentials etc for over twenty years . But until COVID you would never find an ivy leaguer who had actually taken an online class. The consulting advice that we got from twenty something ivy leaguers about how to improve our education model was truly bizarre.

[Anonymous]

Oh I'm so glad to read this. I have a couple friends in mgmt consulting and I've never been able to understand what they actually do. Thought I was missing something. Apparently not.

Do people go into those jobs because they think it's actually substantive and lucrative, or do they know it's a scam and are trying to avoid doing any real work?