Military School for Juvenile Offenders?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a former cadet who went to a military boarding school in Virginia for 7 academic years (grades 6-12) I would definitely NOT want juvenile offenders placed alongside me and my fellow cadets as some kind of “reformatory” punishment.

My parents worked their asses off to pay the annual tuition for my schooling. Why should criminal youth get a free ride to the same school my folks paid $12k-$16k a year for (in the 90’s!).

Secondly, we were at a military school because we WANTED to be there. Forcing people to go to that environment would totally destroy the esprit de corps of a cadet battalion.

Most of the corps of cadets at my school went on to either service academies or college ROTC programs, or enlisted and were immediately promoted to junior NCO ranks immediately after basic. Military schools have a very specific purpose - producing service academy attendees and ROTC grads for the officer ranks, or career-minded enlisted personnel. They are NOT for criminal sh!tbirds.

This doesn't happen, sorry. E-3, at the most.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would rather my tax dollars go to military schools to get the kids into some discipline, the military is already having a hard time getting recruits so this makes sense.

Hard labor camps ??? To the above poster, this is not a backward third-world country, geez, what backwater state are you from? A forced labor camp sounds like North Korea. People's train of thoughts demonstrates where they fall on the socioeconomic scale.

So you want to ruin the military we count on to defend our Republic by using it to try and fix (and fail) defective, amoral criminals? That seems like a good idea to you? Yes, the military needs help meeting recruiting goals right now. The way to fix that is to pay junior enlisted members a lot more. If a recruit earned $90k/yr right out of basic training, the recruiting shortfall would literally end overnight. High school grads would be competing for an enlistment spot. That’s how you solve recruiting problems - not by flooding our military with criminal scumbags.


Yes, we should absolutely have “hard labor camps” where criminals are forced to toil 12 hours a day. It’s prison. It’s supposed to be punishment. It provides a strong incentive for reforming criminal behavior by creating an overwhelming desire not to be sent back.

I am pretty sure the military is already ruined. I am ot sure why people have this idea that the military is holier than thou.

'Top Pentagon official[/i] Stephen Hovanic, 64, [i]who oversaw the entire US military schools system is busted 'paying undercover agent for sex'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12798545/Pentagon-official-undercover-agent-sex-motel-room.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would rather my tax dollars go to military schools to get the kids into some discipline, the military is already having a hard time getting recruits so this makes sense.

Hard labor camps ??? To the above poster, this is not a backward third-world country, geez, what backwater state are you from? A forced labor camp sounds like North Korea. People's train of thoughts demonstrates where they fall on the socioeconomic scale.

You have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about. None. Zero.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a former cadet who went to a military boarding school in Virginia for 7 academic years (grades 6-12) I would definitely NOT want juvenile offenders placed alongside me and my fellow cadets as some kind of “reformatory” punishment.

My parents worked their asses off to pay the annual tuition for my schooling. Why should criminal youth get a free ride to the same school my folks paid $12k-$16k a year for (in the 90’s!).

Secondly, we were at a military school because we WANTED to be there. Forcing people to go to that environment would totally destroy the esprit de corps of a cadet battalion.

Most of the corps of cadets at my school went on to either service academies or college ROTC programs, or enlisted and were immediately promoted to junior NCO ranks immediately after basic. Military schools have a very specific purpose - producing service academy attendees and ROTC grads for the officer ranks, or career-minded enlisted personnel. They are NOT for criminal sh!tbirds.

This doesn't happen, sorry. E-3, at the most.

I enlisted in the US ARMY immediately after graduation and was promoted to E3 the day after I mustered out of basic. I made E4 when I finished my first tech school and E5 immediately after Airborne school. I’d tested for E6 two months before I could buy alcohol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would rather my tax dollars go to military schools to get the kids into some discipline, the military is already having a hard time getting recruits so this makes sense.

Hard labor camps ??? To the above poster, this is not a backward third-world country, geez, what backwater state are you from? A forced labor camp sounds like North Korea. People's train of thoughts demonstrates where they fall on the socioeconomic scale.

So you want to ruin the military we count on to defend our Republic by using it to try and fix (and fail) defective, amoral criminals? That seems like a good idea to you? Yes, the military needs help meeting recruiting goals right now. The way to fix that is to pay junior enlisted members a lot more. If a recruit earned $90k/yr right out of basic training, the recruiting shortfall would literally end overnight. High school grads would be competing for an enlistment spot. That’s how you solve recruiting problems - not by flooding our military with criminal scumbags.


Yes, we should absolutely have “hard labor camps” where criminals are forced to toil 12 hours a day. It’s prison. It’s supposed to be punishment. It provides a strong incentive for reforming criminal behavior by creating an overwhelming desire not to be sent back.

I am pretty sure the military is already ruined. I am ot sure why people have this idea that the military is holier than thou.

'Top Pentagon official[/i] Stephen Hovanic, 64, [i]who oversaw the entire US military schools system is busted 'paying undercover agent for sex'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12798545/Pentagon-official-undercover-agent-sex-motel-room.html

It’s definitely more honorable than you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the unstated policy right now is that Bowser doesn’t want these kids f#cking up the public schools, so they are willing to turn a blind eye to truancy. Keep them out of the classroom so they don’t pull down others.

I get it, but they need to go somewhere. These kids are looking for replacement families, so the state needs to create one for them.

Juvie and then jail when the age out of juvie

Research shows that incarcerating kids who are not a public safety risk is poor use of tax dollars. More effective approaches (from the perspective of both costs and outcomes) focus on providing kids and families with intensive wraparound services in their home communities.

”Studies that control for young people’s backgrounds, offending histories and other relevant characteristics have found that confinement most often results in higher rates of rearrest and reincarceration compared with probation and other community alternatives to confinement. Data show that large declines in youth incarceration do not result in increases in youth crime.”

https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/why-youth-incarceration-fails-an-updated-review-of-the-evidence/

Make the sentences longer and institute 3 strikes and you only have to worry about rearrest twice

Sounds like a brilliant plan. I assume you would also support the significant tax hikes necessary to support it?

Prison labor could partially defray the cost.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because they don’t meet admissions criteria. Military schools aren’t a substitute for juvenile detention.

I guess that's my point, why not transition to a military school model that is focused on discipline, structure, but also college preparation?[/quot

Interesting idea.

[Anonymous]

16, can a kid like this be rehabilitated? What is the school in Alexandria like?