Military School for Juvenile Offenders?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the unstated policy right now is that Bowser doesn’t want these kids f#cking up the public schools, so they are willing to turn a blind eye to truancy. Keep them out of the classroom so they don’t pull down others.

I get it, but they need to go somewhere. These kids are looking for replacement families, so the state needs to create one for them.

Juvie and then jail when the age out of juvie

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They need to bring back scared straight

Scared straight programs don’t work. In fact, if you look at the research, scared straight participation actually *increases* the likelihood of subsequent offending.

https://portal.cops.usdoj.gov/resourcecenter/ric/Publications/cops-p288-pub.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to bring back scared straight

Scared straight programs don’t work. In fact, if you look at the research, scared straight participation actually *increases* the likelihood of subsequent offending.

https://portal.cops.usdoj.gov/resourcecenter/ric/Publications/cops-p288-pub.pdf

I don't think this bothers the Lock 'Em Up And Throw Away The Key proponents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because they don’t meet admissions criteria. Military schools aren’t a substitute for juvenile detention.

I guess that's my point, why not transition to a military school model that is focused on discipline, structure, but also college preparation?

Then maybe your question should be why doesn’t someone create programs for juvenile delinquents that is based on a military school model. Frankly if anyone thought it would make money, someone would.

I’ve worked in a few programs for juvenile delinquents and all focus on education and structure. But honestly these programs aren’t seeing the kids who are likely to go to college. Remember that once they complete a program they go back to the home environment that led them down the path to placement in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I keep hearing that juvenile offenders are being released from juvie because of lack of space. Most of these kids are lacking discipline, proper adult supervision, and are truants. Why aren't courts ordering that they be sent to military schools instead?

Those schools aren’t free. You want to pay $30k a year for criminals to go to school? If you do, you won’t find many others who do.

Actually people should want this or anything else with such a small price tag. There is no juvenile placement that costs that little money. You’re talking more like $150k a year to place a kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I keep hearing that juvenile offenders are being released from juvie because of lack of space. Most of these kids are lacking discipline, proper adult supervision, and are truants. Why aren't courts ordering that they be sent to military schools instead?

Those schools aren’t free. You want to pay $30k a year for criminals to go to school? If you do, you won’t find many others who do.

What do you think keeping someone in jail costs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the unstated policy right now is that Bowser doesn’t want these kids f#cking up the public schools, so they are willing to turn a blind eye to truancy. Keep them out of the classroom so they don’t pull down others.

I get it, but they need to go somewhere. These kids are looking for replacement families, so the state needs to create one for them.

Juvie and then jail when the age out of juvie

Research shows that incarcerating kids who are not a public safety risk is poor use of tax dollars. More effective approaches (from the perspective of both costs and outcomes) focus on providing kids and families with intensive wraparound services in their home communities.

”Studies that control for young people’s backgrounds, offending histories and other relevant characteristics have found that confinement most often results in higher rates of rearrest and reincarceration compared with probation and other community alternatives to confinement. Data show that large declines in youth incarceration do not result in increases in youth crime.”

https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/why-youth-incarceration-fails-an-updated-review-of-the-evidence/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the unstated policy right now is that Bowser doesn’t want these kids f#cking up the public schools, so they are willing to turn a blind eye to truancy. Keep them out of the classroom so they don’t pull down others.

I get it, but they need to go somewhere. These kids are looking for replacement families, so the state needs to create one for them.

Juvie and then jail when the age out of juvie

Research shows that incarcerating kids who are not a public safety risk is poor use of tax dollars. More effective approaches (from the perspective of both costs and outcomes) focus on providing kids and families with intensive wraparound services in their home communities.

”Studies that control for young people’s backgrounds, offending histories and other relevant characteristics have found that confinement most often results in higher rates of rearrest and reincarceration compared with probation and other community alternatives to confinement. Data show that large declines in youth incarceration do not result in increases in youth crime.”

https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/why-youth-incarceration-fails-an-updated-review-of-the-evidence/

Make the sentences longer and institute 3 strikes and you only have to worry about rearrest twice

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the unstated policy right now is that Bowser doesn’t want these kids f#cking up the public schools, so they are willing to turn a blind eye to truancy. Keep them out of the classroom so they don’t pull down others.

I get it, but they need to go somewhere. These kids are looking for replacement families, so the state needs to create one for them.

Juvie and then jail when the age out of juvie

Research shows that incarcerating kids who are not a public safety risk is poor use of tax dollars. More effective approaches (from the perspective of both costs and outcomes) focus on providing kids and families with intensive wraparound services in their home communities.

”Studies that control for young people’s backgrounds, offending histories and other relevant characteristics have found that confinement most often results in higher rates of rearrest and reincarceration compared with probation and other community alternatives to confinement. Data show that large declines in youth incarceration do not result in increases in youth crime.”

https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/why-youth-incarceration-fails-an-updated-review-of-the-evidence/

Make the sentences longer and institute 3 strikes and you only have to worry about rearrest twice

Sounds like a brilliant plan. I assume you would also support the significant tax hikes necessary to support it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the unstated policy right now is that Bowser doesn’t want these kids f#cking up the public schools, so they are willing to turn a blind eye to truancy. Keep them out of the classroom so they don’t pull down others.

I get it, but they need to go somewhere. These kids are looking for replacement families, so the state needs to create one for them.

Juvie and then jail when the age out of juvie

Research shows that incarcerating kids who are not a public safety risk is poor use of tax dollars. More effective approaches (from the perspective of both costs and outcomes) focus on providing kids and families with intensive wraparound services in their home communities.

”Studies that control for young people’s backgrounds, offending histories and other relevant characteristics have found that confinement most often results in higher rates of rearrest and reincarceration compared with probation and other community alternatives to confinement. Data show that large declines in youth incarceration do not result in increases in youth crime.”

https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/why-youth-incarceration-fails-an-updated-review-of-the-evidence/

Make the sentences longer and institute 3 strikes and you only have to worry about rearrest twice

Sounds like a brilliant plan. I assume you would also support the significant tax hikes necessary to support it?

You can out source prison for a lot less than DC pays

[Anonymous]

Why not force juvenile offenders to serve on work gangs picking up litter, clearing brush, hauling garbage from waterways, etc. DC has plenty of tasks to do. 9 hours a day, 6 days a week in neon jumpsuits so everyone knows who they are. Ankle monitors should keep them from wandering off. If they slack off, then put them in lockup for an attitude adjustment m.

[Anonymous]

Bring spankings back and reverse the power dynamic.

Society would benefit from these kids having little more fear/respect of school leaders and police. Plus it’s cheap. The million dollar solutions based on new age theories obviously aren’t working.

Go back to basics.

[Anonymous]

Best thing that DC could do is to identify every bright 12 year old that lived in W7 & W8 and pay to send them away to boarding school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Best thing that DC could do is to identify every bright 12 year old that lived in W7 & W8 and pay to send them away to boarding school.

+1 but maybe sooner than that…8 or 9.

[Anonymous]

Send them to Ukraine to clear minefields