The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes

[Anonymous]

This just seemed like a pointless cash grab. Cheap writing, weak plot all around. As dumb as when JK Rowling pulled that Cursed Child bs.

I enjoyed the original Hunger Games storyline. This, though, just felt like an unnecessary and unconvincing back story that was literally just made up by the author for money. Too far-fetched for the villain's back story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If there's literally anyone in this thread who defends Snow/Lucy as a romance, and then posts self-righteously in the twin flame cult thread, know that you are part of our society's problem.

well said!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It gives me 5% more faith in humanity's future, that the thread here (mostly) sees through the fake romance.

I watched the movie with my DD and had to explain to her afterwards that this was everything Love is not.

I see you don’t have a nuanced enough view to grasp that of course love that grows from the ravages of war, hatred, starvation and toxicity would be complex and fragile and mangled. That was rather THE POINT.

DP. You are completely brainwashed by narcissism if that's how you read their relationship.

And when I think of "love that grows from the ravages of war, hatred, starvation and toxicity would be complex and fragile and mangled" I think of Katniss and Peeta, who are toxic, damaged, and sincere about doing their best for each other.

It's scary that you projected this onto Snow, a rich guy from a privileged family who manipulates and controls people while experiencing biological/chemical attraction.

If you don’t get the point that the way he was raised made him poisonous, then you’re missing everything. Some of you haven’t read the book, and it shows.

Yes, the movie didn't make that sufficiently clear. Other than a nod to the trauma and some toxicity with the grandmother, there wasn't much to it. The emphasis on the affectionate relationship with his cousin was emphasized more. And he seemed moved by Lucy Gray's kindness at several points, so the "poisonous" character also didn't really come through until he became more calculating at the end.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It gives me 5% more faith in humanity's future, that the thread here (mostly) sees through the fake romance.

I watched the movie with my DD and had to explain to her afterwards that this was everything Love is not.

I see you don’t have a nuanced enough view to grasp that of course love that grows from the ravages of war, hatred, starvation and toxicity would be complex and fragile and mangled. That was rather THE POINT.

DP. You are completely brainwashed by narcissism if that's how you read their relationship.

And when I think of "love that grows from the ravages of war, hatred, starvation and toxicity would be complex and fragile and mangled" I think of Katniss and Peeta, who are toxic, damaged, and sincere about doing their best for each other.

It's scary that you projected this onto Snow, a rich guy from a privileged family who manipulates and controls people while experiencing biological/chemical attraction.

If you don’t get the point that the way he was raised made him poisonous, then you’re missing everything. Some of you haven’t read the book, and it shows.

Yes, the movie didn't make that sufficiently clear. Other than a nod to the trauma and some toxicity with the grandmother, there wasn't much to it. The emphasis on the affectionate relationship with his cousin was emphasized more. And he seemed moved by Lucy Gray's kindness at several points, so the "poisonous" character also didn't really come through until he became more calculating at the end.

Yes, the movie showed him surviving the end of the war and a very caring cousin (at first I thought she was his sister). His grandmother seemed a little strange but didn’t know if that was normal or she had mental issues. So his upbringing didn’t show it being poisonous.

[Anonymous]

The book is by far the best of the entire series and I think they did a good job with the movie. However, as usual, it will never compare to the book because you miss out on so many details and the inner monologue of the protagonist.

[Anonymous]

I finally saw this today. I thought it was overall really well done. Rachel Zegler’s singing was great. It was difficult for me to picture while reading, but it works so well in the movie.

Book Snow’s inner thoughts were missing and it showed. He’s infinitely more likable in the movie (unfortunately). One example I noticed right away is that movie Snow seems to genuinely love his grandmother. In the book, in the beginning scene where she gives him the rose, he pricks his finger on it and he’s enraged. There’s a comment like he has to remind himself to practice self control and she tests his self-control all the time.

Movie Snow seemed more motivated for money to support his family. In the books, he feels entitled to it as a Snow and he abhors every small obstacle. Still, I liked the movie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I finally saw this today. I thought it was overall really well done. Rachel Zegler’s singing was great. It was difficult for me to picture while reading, but it works so well in the movie.

Book Snow’s inner thoughts were missing and it showed. He’s infinitely more likable in the movie (unfortunately). One example I noticed right away is that movie Snow seems to genuinely love his grandmother. In the book, in the beginning scene where she gives him the rose, he pricks his finger on it and he’s enraged. There’s a comment like he has to remind himself to practice self control and she tests his self-control all the time.

Movie Snow seemed more motivated for money to support his family. In the books, he feels entitled to it as a Snow and he abhors every small obstacle. Still, I liked the movie.

YES!

[Anonymous]

I finished the book today- haven’t seen the movie yet because my reading was under way.

It was a really great book. Highly highly suggest reading it.

Overall, Hunger Games has so much relevance to our society. Think of how we sacrifice young people up for our entertainment. (No we do not live in that specific futuristic postwar dystopia).

The book was the best possible wya of explaining Snow. No he’s not justified. He’s ambitious. The family down on their luck, he’s fighting for survival. The environment where he was raised—spoiled but also suffering—and then dr Gaul’s influence, develop him into a bad person. The whole book, he’s trying to decide if what dr Gaul says is true. Are they just animals fighting each other for individual survival. Sadly his experiences aren’t positive, and he’s too selfish (that spoiled background) to find any other morals to cling too.

The ideal was supposed to be Sejanus. Someone who could rise above it.

But he didn’t make it. No one does until.. Katniss + Haymitch + Plutarch Heavensbee + later Tigris + Cinna + a few others. Rare for anybody to rise up out of the brutal and imbalanced world they live in.

I wasn’t always a big Hunger Games fan. But my child read it all last year. I revisited it, and it stands out as a valuable piece of literature and film. It answers questions about freedom, nature, systems of government, power, revolution, fighting for something.

One of the best moments to come later is the fate of President Coin. And what Katniss chooses to do with her freedom, regarding Coin and then raising babies in peace.

[Anonymous]

At the end of the book today, I thought about his parts in the trilogy book and movies.

And his laughter at what happens to Coin. I thought, “Snow lands on top.”

He always wiggles his way out of stuff. Not to say he wasn’t imprisoned or probably executed later. But, I thought of the Coin scene.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It gives me 5% more faith in humanity's future, that the thread here (mostly) sees through the fake romance.

I watched the movie with my DD and had to explain to her afterwards that this was everything Love is not.

I see you don’t have a nuanced enough view to grasp that of course love that grows from the ravages of war, hatred, starvation and toxicity would be complex and fragile and mangled. That was rather THE POINT.

DP. You are completely brainwashed by narcissism if that's how you read their relationship.

And when I think of "love that grows from the ravages of war, hatred, starvation and toxicity would be complex and fragile and mangled" I think of Katniss and Peeta, who are toxic, damaged, and sincere about doing their best for each other.

It's scary that you projected this onto Snow, a rich guy from a privileged family who manipulates and controls people while experiencing biological/chemical attraction.

If you don’t get the point that the way he was raised made him poisonous, then you’re missing everything. Some of you haven’t read the book, and it shows.

Yes, the movie didn't make that sufficiently clear. Other than a nod to the trauma and some toxicity with the grandmother, there wasn't much to it. The emphasis on the affectionate relationship with his cousin was emphasized more. And he seemed moved by Lucy Gray's kindness at several points, so the "poisonous" character also didn't really come through until he became more calculating at the end.

He was moved by all sorts of good things in the book. Near the end it says he loved Lucy Gray.

It’s about time what people value.

He was moved by:
Love
Sweet kids
Safety
Sharing
Friendship
Family
Loyalty
Forgiveness
Beautiful nature

He correctly hated: execution, hunger games, war, the creepy science lab, poverty, dr Gaul

But above all of it he values Control. Love made him too weak, lost his mind. Nothing else was a trade off worth losing control.

[Anonymous]

Correction: “it’s about what people value.”

I’m not sure why the word “time” was inserted into my sentence.

[Anonymous]

Snow kills 5 people by the end of the book

The first, pure self-defense. And instead of blaming the Capitol for putting him there, he blames Sejanus’s high minded morality.

Second, was a civilizational kill. He’s in the thick in a confusing situation in a group of people, had to cover up that he was there.

Third, a social, personal kill. He can’t stand that Sejanus is unpredictable. Losing control. He didn’t need to tell on him. But, the book says if not now, Sejanus would have acted out further, I think snow would have eventually ratted him out.

Fourth, killed his love. Complicated, but he also couldn’t stand the lack of control. Love meant whisking away into the unknown. Killing that love meant deciding to live in a terrible place but where he would be comfortable. Complicated, tactical, and closing off the choice to run away and live in nature.

Fifth, unnecessary vengeance. He had already gotten out from under the Dean. Already won out. Highbottom was just going to be an addict who would leave him alone. Pure murder.

[Anonymous]

Won’t be seeing it because Rachel Zegler.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Won’t be seeing it because Rachel Zegler.

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Anonymous wrote:Won’t be seeing it because Rachel Zegler.

Why do people hate her? What did I miss?