Wealthy donors pull funding from from Harvard and U Penn for failure to denounce “antisemitism”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the culmination of a long running pressure campaign by mega-donors on universities to shut down pro-Palestine groups on campuses, remove professors, etc.

Schools have been pushing back hard on free speech grounds, but there’s a big coordinated effort with lots of money behind it. They’ve hired PR and public affairs companies to coordinate it.

Nope. It’s about people reasonably expecting schools to clearly comdemn the psychopathic Hamas terrorists.

+100
Condemning terrorists is quite simple. But at least we can clearly see who is on the side of terrorism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the culmination of a long running pressure campaign by mega-donors on universities to shut down pro-Palestine groups on campuses, remove professors, etc.

Schools have been pushing back hard on free speech grounds, but there’s a big coordinated effort with lots of money behind it. They’ve hired PR and public affairs companies to coordinate it.

Nope. It’s about people reasonably expecting schools to clearly comdemn the psychopathic Hamas terrorists.

+100
Condemning terrorists is quite simple. But at least we can clearly see who is on the side of terrorism.

It should be simple, but for far too many, it isn’t. I do not know why. Maybe there’s plain old, hey, what do I care about that region. Maybe it’s being in such a fog, induced by classes on colonization. Maybe it’s fear of certain campus groups. And in some cases, maybe it is just hatred of Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do not think that schools are in any way obligated to issue statements. So I don’t go as far as the silence = antisemitism side. But, if a school chooses to weigh in, it damn well better lead with a clear condemnation of Hamas’ terrorist attacks. Anything short of that is morally repulsive.

I also think that if you are going to take the stance that silence is violence and then you are silent in the face of massacres like this, that is effectively an endorsement of the massacre.

I agree, and that was the point of asking liberals how they feel now about "silence is violence." When George Floyd was killed, they used that expression to shame anyone who didn't LOUDLY condemn his murder. That's why we're now turning it around on them.

so you don't care about the current issue in the middle east you are just using it to make a point or get back that universities (revealed by your "that is why we're now turning it around on them). This is just a game to you.

Exactly. I don't want to hear a BS word out of the conservatives who support all kinds of human-rights violations here in the US but now all of a sudden I'm supposed to believe they care about Jewish people? Give me a break. They don't give two sheets about anyone other than themselves, but they sure will use something like this to score points. It's disgusting. People are dying and they are playing games.

[Anonymous]

Colleges are going to learn the Bud Light lesson of go woke, go broke. Tuition as high as it is just isn’t enough to keep colleges going. Without big donors things will begin to get hard. Sure Harvard and Penn have massive endowments and can ride out a short term donation drought. But endowment funds often have strings attached so expect to see some college presidents out of a job soon, as well as some shuffling at the board level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This will not end well. It will only strengthen convictions of those who are not allowed to speak and promote conspiracies about rich Jews controlling everything.

Just more and more of the apartheid state.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Good.

[Anonymous]

These schools have already amassed millions, one or 2 wealthy donors leaving is not going to be an issue

[Anonymous]

Students have free speech rights and donors have free speech rights. If donors withdraw funding or counter-protest that it is their right. There are a number of campuses where it is not safe to be Jewish because there is rising antisemitism all over the country. So universities have to walk a fine line to preserve free speech but not endanger lives. It’s fine to hold students accountable for what they say and what they sign re: current/future employers - it’s a good lesson for students not to put stuff online and think what you are putting into the public discourse. Every HR director has been looking at social media/Google for st least 10 years. Doxxing and other criminal behavior should be punished.

[Anonymous]

Many of these same schools spoke out quite loudly during the George Floyd protests and on other civil rights and social issues.
It should be quite simple to condemn the carnage brought to Israel by the Hamas terrorists. Unequivocally.
If they are unable or unwilling to do that - donors will take note. And, I don't blame them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Many of these same schools spoke out quite loudly during the George Floyd protests and on other civil rights and social issues.
It should be quite simple to condemn the carnage brought to Israel by the Hamas terrorists. Unequivocally.
If they are unable or unwilling to do that - donors will take note. And, I don't blame them.

Y'all have to decide what you want: neutrality and diversity of opinion, or active involvement of institutions in social issues.

While you're at it, see if Ron DeSantis and Donald Trump will renounce their degrees from Harvard and Penn respectively. It's not a thing yet, but why not make it a thing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many of these same schools spoke out quite loudly during the George Floyd protests and on other civil rights and social issues.
It should be quite simple to condemn the carnage brought to Israel by the Hamas terrorists. Unequivocally.
If they are unable or unwilling to do that - donors will take note. And, I don't blame them.

Y'all have to decide what you want: neutrality and diversity of opinion, or active involvement of institutions in social issues.

While you're at it, see if Ron DeSantis and Donald Trump will renounce their degrees from Harvard and Penn respectively. It's not a thing yet, but why not make it a thing?

Your comment reminds me of the statements from members of the squad after Hamas terrorists butchered 1400 people in Israel.......
Only THEN did they call for a cease fire even before Israel mounted a defense.

So, it is OK for terrorists to brutalize Israel, but Israel MUST show restraint.

Personally, I would like colleges and universities to be welcoming to all viewpoints/religions/races. That is not what we have seen over the past decade or so. So, as long as they are going to weigh into issues..... they damn well better be balanced about their choice of when and when not to issue statements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many of these same schools spoke out quite loudly during the George Floyd protests and on other civil rights and social issues.
It should be quite simple to condemn the carnage brought to Israel by the Hamas terrorists. Unequivocally.
If they are unable or unwilling to do that - donors will take note. And, I don't blame them.

Y'all have to decide what you want: neutrality and diversity of opinion, or active involvement of institutions in social issues.

While you're at it, see if Ron DeSantis and Donald Trump will renounce their degrees from Harvard and Penn respectively. It's not a thing yet, but why not make it a thing?

You mean Yale and Harvard for DeSantis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do not think that schools are in any way obligated to issue statements. So I don’t go as far as the silence = antisemitism side. But, if a school chooses to weigh in, it damn well better lead with a clear condemnation of Hamas’ terrorist attacks. Anything short of that is morally repulsive.

I also think that if you are going to take the stance that silence is violence and then you are silent in the face of massacres like this, that is effectively an endorsement of the massacre.

I agree, and that was the point of asking liberals how they feel now about "silence is violence." When George Floyd was killed, they used that expression to shame anyone who didn't LOUDLY condemn his murder. That's why we're now turning it around on them.

so you don't care about the current issue in the middle east you are just using it to make a point or get back that universities (revealed by your "that is why we're now turning it around on them). This is just a game to you.

Exactly. I don't want to hear a BS word out of the conservatives who support all kinds of human-rights violations here in the US but now all of a sudden I'm supposed to believe they care about Jewish people? Give me a break. They don't give two sheets about anyone other than themselves, but they sure will use something like this to score points. It's disgusting. People are dying and they are playing games.

I would love to be able to put people in my own self defined buckets and leave it at that. Thinking would no longer be required!

[Anonymous]

They didn't denounce...

But have the universities endorsed, actively condoned or encouraged any of it?

Not that I am aware of.

The logic in this thread reminds me of the comment in another thread about how, by China persecuting Muslim Uyghurs, they are somehow in support of Jews.

None of it works that way.

[Anonymous]

It’s not a free speech issue. The issue is condemning Hamas terrorism and some students hate speech and repulsive use of paraglider images. The fact that Israel and Jews are involved are what makes it so “complex” for spineless college administrators.

I mean, holy s***: it was reported that a Stanford instructor told all the Jewish students in their class to identify themselves and go to one side of the classroom. Is that a hate crime?