When will writers strike resolve?

[Anonymous]

Drew changed her mind; she’s not coming back until the strike ends.

[Anonymous]

AI being able to generate a whole movie script, or even a whole TV show script, is many years away. They’d probably start with something like children’s television first before going into anything more complicated. A lot of the big kids TV shows come from outside the US anyway. Paw Patrol is Canadian, PJ Masks is UK/French, a bunch of the other shows are split productions between Canada and the US, Bluey comes from Australia. The random kids stuff on YouTube is almost all from overseas and dubbed. Then there’s the matter if you do get AI to generate a decent script, someone still has to film it, actors or voice actors still have to act, edits need to be made. AI can barely generate decent static images of hands these days, it’s not going to generate a whole 22 minute long animated show. Any studios putting their faith in AI at this point are deceiving themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:Drew changed her mind; she’s not coming back until the strike ends.

Silly. The reaction should have been anticipated and if she didn't have the courage of her convictions she shouldn't have tried to come back at all. Daytime talk shows, like reality shows, are under the Net Code contract and are not on strike. WGA writers are on strike. Her show can definitely be done without writers as a PP pointed out. She wasn't doing anything strike breaking. If it was a matter of principle and solidarity with SAG and WGA then she shouldn't have tried at all. So now she looks weak from both angles.

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Anonymous wrote:Again, why do any of them deserve residuals? Most of us are paid for the work we do. If it’s successful after we move onto another job, we don’t get residuals.

But are you creating something your ex-employer will use for years to make themselves more money?

My sibling works in biomedical engineering. His employment contract states that his employer owns the rights to 99% of all outputs/ip created by him. He gets a small portion of compensation but I forget what type of compensation it is (money, stock, etc.). And I think then the 1% only kicks in if the ip is acquired for X price or X units.

DP here but why are they entitled to residuals? They didn't fund the project. Let them get paid for their work. It's hard to have sympathy for them if they want more than that.

They’re entitled because they’re creating intellectual property. Just like painters, engineers, and inventors. If some can be sold repeatedly (story, software, t-shirt design) the person who makes it gets some portion of that sale unless the sell the rights to someone else.

-engineer who gets the equivalent of residuals on the patents with my name on them from my employer

The painter only gets paid once. The buyer may make more on re-sale of the picture but the painter gets nothing.

+1 Maybe the compensation model needs to change.

Are you really arguing in favor of the studios over the little guys who actually created the content?

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Anonymous wrote:Drew changed her mind; she’s not coming back until the strike ends.

Silly. The reaction should have been anticipated and if she didn't have the courage of her convictions she shouldn't have tried to come back at all. Daytime talk shows, like reality shows, are under the Net Code contract and are not on strike. WGA writers are on strike. Her show can definitely be done without writers as a PP pointed out. She wasn't doing anything strike breaking. If it was a matter of principle and solidarity with SAG and WGA then she shouldn't have tried at all. So now she looks weak from both angles.

Completely agree! So bizarre.

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Anonymous wrote:Drew changed her mind; she’s not coming back until the strike ends.

Silly. The reaction should have been anticipated and if she didn't have the courage of her convictions she shouldn't have tried to come back at all. Daytime talk shows, like reality shows, are under the Net Code contract and are not on strike. WGA writers are on strike. Her show can definitely be done without writers as a PP pointed out. She wasn't doing anything strike breaking. If it was a matter of principle and solidarity with SAG and WGA then she shouldn't have tried at all. So now she looks weak from both angles.

She has a WGA contract.

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Anonymous wrote:Again, why do any of them deserve residuals? Most of us are paid for the work we do. If it’s successful after we move onto another job, we don’t get residuals.

But are you creating something your ex-employer will use for years to make themselves more money?

My sibling works in biomedical engineering. His employment contract states that his employer owns the rights to 99% of all outputs/ip created by him. He gets a small portion of compensation but I forget what type of compensation it is (money, stock, etc.). And I think then the 1% only kicks in if the ip is acquired for X price or X units.

DP here but why are they entitled to residuals? They didn't fund the project. Let them get paid for their work. It's hard to have sympathy for them if they want more than that.

They’re entitled because they’re creating intellectual property. Just like painters, engineers, and inventors. If some can be sold repeatedly (story, software, t-shirt design) the person who makes it gets some portion of that sale unless the sell the rights to someone else.

-engineer who gets the equivalent of residuals on the patents with my name on them from my employer

The painter only gets paid once. The buyer may make more on re-sale of the picture but the painter gets nothing.

+1 Maybe the compensation model needs to change.

Are you really arguing in favor of the studios over the little guys who actually created the content?

Not OP. But I say get rid of residuals and pay more up front.

[Anonymous]

By the end of Sept is my prediction.

[Anonymous]

The entertainment industry (all of them) — a bunch of whiners with an inflated sense of self importance.

I hope this strike goes on and on.

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Anonymous wrote:The entertainment industry (all of them) — a bunch of whiners with an inflated sense of self importance.

I hope this strike goes on and on.

You're in the minority. There is a meeting scheduled next week with the WGA.

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Anonymous wrote:Drew changed her mind; she’s not coming back until the strike ends.

Silly. The reaction should have been anticipated and if she didn't have the courage of her convictions she shouldn't have tried to come back at all. Daytime talk shows, like reality shows, are under the Net Code contract and are not on strike. WGA writers are on strike. Her show can definitely be done without writers as a PP pointed out. She wasn't doing anything strike breaking. If it was a matter of principle and solidarity with SAG and WGA then she shouldn't have tried at all. So now she looks weak from both angles.

Yes but she's human. How many of us could withstand that kind of backlash. She was trying to help her employees survive. I don't agree with it but I get it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:By the end of Sept is my prediction.

I don't watch most network tv so it's all streaming older shows and movies for our household right now. We could go until the end of the year but I hope it is resolved soon.

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Anonymous wrote:AI being able to generate a whole movie script, or even a whole TV show script, is many years away. They’d probably start with something like children’s television first before going into anything more complicated. A lot of the big kids TV shows come from outside the US anyway. Paw Patrol is Canadian, PJ Masks is UK/French, a bunch of the other shows are split productions between Canada and the US, Bluey comes from Australia. The random kids stuff on YouTube is almost all from overseas and dubbed. Then there’s the matter if you do get AI to generate a decent script, someone still has to film it, actors or voice actors still have to act, edits need to be made. AI can barely generate decent static images of hands these days, it’s not going to generate a whole 22 minute long animated show. Any studios putting their faith in AI at this point are deceiving themselves.

Re: the bold: Please note that one thing being talked about regarding AI is the desire of some studios to take actors' voices and sample them, then turn those samples into voiceover, dubbed and animation voice acting using AI. Forever. They want to have actors sign away rights to their own voices, in perpetuity, and be paid only once for the use of their voices forever. This is the same concept as the more widely publicized aim of studios to capture actors' physical likenesses and then use those as background players (a.k.a. extras) forever, for a one-time payment. So it's not too far off the mark to think that if, for instance, someone comes up with an AI-generated animated show, the voice "actors" we would hear could be merely AI voices that sound like some real actor whose voice has been cloned and made to say anything at all, in any show or movie at all.

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Anonymous wrote:AI being able to generate a whole movie script, or even a whole TV show script, is many years away. They’d probably start with something like children’s television first before going into anything more complicated. A lot of the big kids TV shows come from outside the US anyway. Paw Patrol is Canadian, PJ Masks is UK/French, a bunch of the other shows are split productions between Canada and the US, Bluey comes from Australia. The random kids stuff on YouTube is almost all from overseas and dubbed. Then there’s the matter if you do get AI to generate a decent script, someone still has to film it, actors or voice actors still have to act, edits need to be made. AI can barely generate decent static images of hands these days, it’s not going to generate a whole 22 minute long animated show. Any studios putting their faith in AI at this point are deceiving themselves.

Re: the bold: Please note that one thing being talked about regarding AI is the desire of some studios to take actors' voices and sample them, then turn those samples into voiceover, dubbed and animation voice acting using AI. Forever. They want to have actors sign away rights to their own voices, in perpetuity, and be paid only once for the use of their voices forever. This is the same concept as the more widely publicized aim of studios to capture actors' physical likenesses and then use those as background players (a.k.a. extras) forever, for a one-time payment. So it's not too far off the mark to think that if, for instance, someone comes up with an AI-generated animated show, the voice "actors" we would hear could be merely AI voices that sound like some real actor whose voice has been cloned and made to say anything at all, in any show or movie at all.

Yeah, they already use vocaloids for generating those “AI Covers” on TikTok, so I could see that happening well before AI generates a whole decent script. AI now is basically just predictive text on a larger scale. But that’s why the actors are striking … which makes a certain amount of sense to me right now with the state of AI.

[Anonymous]

Today!