Thoughts on Babson?

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. It is ranked 10th overall (not just business programs) in the latest WSJ rankings.

Was just hoping someone on DCUM either graduated there or has a kid there and can provide some firsthand knowledge.

These are the problem with the junk rankings, people actually assign value to them. Babson is not a Top 10 college.

Great. I am all ears about your firsthand knowledge as to why that is the case. Hit me with it.

How about you make the case for why it should be considered a T10 university? Aside from a wonky wsj ranking.

No…I was just referencing its ranking at #10 in the WSJ and you very authoritatively indicated that ranking was incorrect.

I am all ears for your firsthand knowledge of why it is wrong. You are the authority…lay it on me.

Last year, the WSJ itself had it ranked 126. Do you really believe it improved by 116 places in a single year? Or perhaps the WSJ rankings are just bunk in all years.

Or more likely your Alma Mater tanked…and now you are forced to disparage Babson, BYU and other schools.

Actually no, my alma mater is well ensconced in the T10 of that other ranking. But I was specifically asked to support my statement that Babson was not a T10 school. And my reason is that the WSJ rating is junk if it ranks a school at 126 one year, and at 10 the next. Obviously nothing about the school changed significantly in one year.

In the future, don’t ask questions you don’t want answers to.

What’s that “other” ranking?

Put on your thinking cap.

The fact that you are referencing a different ranking basically says your Alma Mater tanked the WSJ rankings. Correct? If not, why would you bring the “other” ranking into the discussion.

You are maybe a disgruntled U Chicago or JHU grad.

Nope, not sure why you find it hard to believe your average educated consumer doesn’t consider Babson a top 10 school, when the very paper that gave it that ranking didn’t consider it a T100 school a year earlier. For all I know, Babson is a great school, albeit one with very limited majors. I just don’t believe it to be the 10th best school in the country. And now I’ve twice explained why.

You have your opinion why…but that’s not an explanation. Hey, I know when your previously top 10 drops to 38 or 67 or 99 is tough to swallow…so if dumping on Babson is how you cope, then go for it.

Actually, what I gave you is an explanation for my opinion, again, twice.

I’m assuming a base level of common sense here. In reputable rankings, schools don’t move more than 5 or so places in a year, in either direction. 100 places? The rankings are complete junk. Why? Because schools don’t change dramatically year to year.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. It is ranked 10th overall (not just business programs) in the latest WSJ rankings.

Was just hoping someone on DCUM either graduated there or has a kid there and can provide some firsthand knowledge.

These are the problem with the junk rankings, people actually assign value to them. Babson is not a Top 10 college.

Great. I am all ears about your firsthand knowledge as to why that is the case. Hit me with it.

How about you make the case for why it should be considered a T10 university? Aside from a wonky wsj ranking.

No…I was just referencing its ranking at #10 in the WSJ and you very authoritatively indicated that ranking was incorrect.

I am all ears for your firsthand knowledge of why it is wrong. You are the authority…lay it on me.

Last year, the WSJ itself had it ranked 126. Do you really believe it improved by 116 places in a single year? Or perhaps the WSJ rankings are just bunk in all years.

This is from the WSJ article explaining the rankings:

Working with data scientists at Statista, the new WSJ/College Pulse ranking uses the most recent available data to put colleges on a more level playing field, with a focus on comparing the outcomes of each school’s graduates to what those students were likely to achieve no matter where they went to school.

That’s at the heart of the improvements we’ve made to the methodology behind the rankings The Wall Street Journal started publishing in 2016.

In effect, colleges aren’t just rewarded for their raw performance in traditional metrics; rather, they’re also evaluated against a benchmark that shows how the schools improve the trajectories of their students’ careers. As a result, this year’s ranking surfaced some hidden gems.

The flip side of these colleges rising to the top is that some universities ended up well below their typical ranking positions on this year’s list.

This ranking views colleges as a springboard for the career and life that come afterward, and it analyzes them through that lens. But as with any big decision, the best college in this list may not be the best for everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:So what happens if your DC goes to Babson and then decides to switch majors? Realizes they would prefer math, or English, or Spanish? Is the school set up to provide a similarly challenging, enriching education (including internships) for majors beyond business?

Those are good points…I guess this is the same issue for a kid that wants Olin (engineering).

Or Harvey Mudd, or FIT, or RISD, or NJIT, or MIT, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:They have a lot of CEO alumni. CEO of Toyota is a grad. CEO of Pepsi. Founder of Home Depot. One of the co- founders of twitter.
It’s a great school for the right student. MBA program is highly regarded.

The founder of Ring, too. There are a lot of famous grads. Google is your friend for this.

The MBA entrepreneurship program has been ranked #1 by USNWR for decades.

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Anonymous wrote:They have a lot of CEO alumni. CEO of Toyota is a grad. CEO of Pepsi. Founder of Home Depot. One of the co- founders of twitter.
It’s a great school for the right student. MBA program is highly regarded.

The founder of Ring, too. There are a lot of famous grads. Google is your friend for this.

The MBA entrepreneurship program has been ranked #1 by USNWR for decades.

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Don't feed the troll.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. It is ranked 10th overall (not just business programs) in the latest WSJ rankings.

Was just hoping someone on DCUM either graduated there or has a kid there and can provide some firsthand knowledge.

These are the problem with the junk rankings, people actually assign value to them. Babson is not a Top 10 college.

Great. I am all ears about your firsthand knowledge as to why that is the case. Hit me with it.

How about you make the case for why it should be considered a T10 university? Aside from a wonky wsj ranking.

No…I was just referencing its ranking at #10 in the WSJ and you very authoritatively indicated that ranking was incorrect.

I am all ears for your firsthand knowledge of why it is wrong. You are the authority…lay it on me.

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DP here. I agree with OP - PP is one of the uninformed sour grapes that offer random and inaccurate info, which ruins this board for everyone.

Hey, feel free to send your kid there.

It is one of our first choices.

Great, may I suggest BYU and NJ Tech as targets? Both are WSJ T25.

Are you actually assuming that people are not capable of conducting their own thorough research and make their own decisions regarding such a huge endeavor as college without following a ranking list? Ranking lists which you rely on, post so often, and adore? You take the cake.

Some of us actually know which are the good schools for our kid, and also for their preferred fields. We do not direct our kid to lists, we do not tell them where to go to college, and we do not pick their majors.

Thankfully, our kid is smarter than resorting to a ranking list. Maybe not you.

Sure seems that pp was relying on Babson’s WSJ ranking, otherwise why bring it up?

Nope.

Ok, so why mention the ranking? For shits and giggles? Of course not. It was mentioned because op felt the ranking had value.

I did not mention the ranking, OP did. I am telling you my first hand experience with Babson alum, and also from our having toured the campus. Try it.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't speak to Babson in particular, but will point out that, for example, schools that offer very narrowly practical majors aren't great at turning out educated citizens. Elementary education undergraduate majors are the example I have the most experience with.

That’s a terrible comparison with a. Highly regarded business program.

Dunno. If they give liberal arts short shrift they are failing to educate. I don't know that they do because I never heard of them, but that's what it sounds like from the OP. Otherwise, how would they differ from a BA with a standard business major?

The air up there must be making you woozie and your neck must hurt having your nose so high in the air.

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It’s a very insular school with a niche entrepreneurship focus. Great for students who plan to run an existing family business or those who self started businesses pre college. If a student is 100% sure that all business, all the time is their thing then apply. Wellesley is a lovely albeit very boring suburban town. It’s not in Boston, as BC claims too. Lots of very wealthy international students who hire car service limos to party in city. Students can take classes at Olin.
https://reddit.com/r/Babson/s/6EnUskAmpz

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I have a friend whose daughter graduated from there 10 years ago. She works at Goldman Sachs- has lived in Asia and NYC and seems very well compensated. She loved her time at Babson. I think it has an international student population too.

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BC literally borders Brighton, which us part of Boston proper. There are 3 “T” lines that stop at the chestnut hill campus. It’s maybe 3 or 4 miles to Fenway. BC has much more access to Boston than Wellesley does.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a very insular school with a niche entrepreneurship focus. Great for students who plan to run an existing family business or those who self started businesses pre college. If a student is 100% sure that all business, all the time is their thing then apply. Wellesley is a lovely albeit very boring suburban town. It’s not in Boston, as BC claims too. Lots of very wealthy international students who hire car service limos to party in city. Students can take classes at Olin.
https://reddit.com/r/Babson/s/6EnUskAmpz

+1 Based on our experience with several people from DCs HS. who are now going there, these are kids who are training to work in and help run a family business. So for that reason, income levels might be a bit skewed. The liberal arts and language options at a Babson are almost non-existent but they are allowed to take these classes at Wellesley College if they want to. DC looked at it, but decided that without a preexisting business to move into, a more comprehensive education might be better.

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It’s a solid trade school

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Not a trade school. It’s business. Finance. Accounting. Economics. Policy. Entrepreneurship. It’s like getting a junior MBA. There are a lot of wealthy students who are going into family businesses and lots of international too.

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They use the case study program similar to Harvard Business school for the senior level policy classes. Very effective model for training future consultants and business leaders.

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Anonymous wrote:BC literally borders Brighton, which us part of Boston proper. There are 3 “T” lines that stop at the chestnut hill campus. It’s maybe 3 or 4 miles to Fenway. BC has much more access to Boston than Wellesley does.

Not to derail, but there are also 3 "T" stops in Wellesley, which is less than an hour from Boston.

Why do people on the college boards seem so uneducated?