How does TJ admissions figure out the top 1.5 percent?

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Anonymous wrote:Why does this unethically change in the admission process always happen when the president is a Democrat?

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Anonymous wrote:How does TJ figure out whether a child is o within the top 1.5% in a specific middle school? Is it based on the 7th grade GPA?

I don’t know how they are figuring it out. I know they are getting it wrong at Longfellow. My kid was not in the 1.5%. Fine. Perfect GPA but I can believe that there were many in this situation and they came up with some process to select. I can accept my kid didn’t make the cut. But there are kids in my child’s math and science classes at McLean that absolutely should have been at the county STEM magnet. If these kids are not top 1.5%, nobody is.

It doesn’t matter though. Lots of great opportunities at the base school and hopefully kids for whom the TJ offerings are critical will get a chance to experience it.

You are witnessing the effects of equity politics in public schools.
If selection were objective and based on merit based criteria, then students with advanced academic abilities in math & science would have been selected for TJ. Since selection shifted to a namesake essay evaluation with concealed subjective ranking, there is no way for FCPS to know who they are selecting and which qualified student is left behind. Yet, this subjective selection has a targeted purpose, which is to claim achievement of predetermined diversity mix, even it means excluding a qualified student due to color of their skin and including an under qualifed student based on their different skin color.

Skin color is not the target. Geographic diversity is. If, coincidentally, the current state of housing costs in Fairfax County means there's a correlation to skin color then it is what it is but it is not deliberate.

The wealthy are free to move anywhere they want to in order to gain any advantage they deem necessary. The poor do not have that luxury and freedom.

If Young Scholars, FARMs, and ELL are all factors, then a white middle class kid from a poorer school has no chance

The essay is the most important factor. Not the experience or "other" factors.

You're assuming that there is a wide dispersion in essay scores. If it's standard FCPS everyone gets an A scoring, then you'll have a bunch of kids with perfect GPAs and high essay scores. That leaves it to experience factors to differentiate

Who said essays are "scored"? Is there any mention on the FCPS TJ website regarding usage of essay scores? There is no such score; if it were present, FCPS would be obligated to disclose it to applicants.

Essays are absolutely scored.

FCPS is not obligated to disclose any scores to applicants at all. Why do you think that they are?

How did you get this insider information? do you work there?

How else do you interpret this:

"A holistic review will be done of students whose applications demonstrate enhanced merit; 550 seats will then be offered to the highest-evaluated students. Students will be evaluated on their grade point average (GPA); a student portrait sheet where they will be asked to demonstrate Portrait of a Graduate attributes and 21st century skills; a problem-solving essay; and experience factors, including students who are economically disadvantaged, English language learners, or special education students."

It is a race-targeting admission process.
TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students after the new race-targeted admission was put in place.
It is a shady and corrupt process. The admission staff have many ways to cheat and pick their favorite kids in each middle school

I suggest you read the book "How to Lie with Statistics." Unless your purpose was to deliberately mislead.

Dp, but where is the lie?

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How?

School admission staff pick their top 1.5% favorite kids.

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Anonymous wrote:How does TJ figure out whether a child is o within the top 1.5% in a specific middle school? Is it based on the 7th grade GPA?

I don’t know how they are figuring it out. I know they are getting it wrong at Longfellow. My kid was not in the 1.5%. Fine. Perfect GPA but I can believe that there were many in this situation and they came up with some process to select. I can accept my kid didn’t make the cut. But there are kids in my child’s math and science classes at McLean that absolutely should have been at the county STEM magnet. If these kids are not top 1.5%, nobody is.

It doesn’t matter though. Lots of great opportunities at the base school and hopefully kids for whom the TJ offerings are critical will get a chance to experience it.

You are witnessing the effects of equity politics in public schools.
If selection were objective and based on merit based criteria, then students with advanced academic abilities in math & science would have been selected for TJ. Since selection shifted to a namesake essay evaluation with concealed subjective ranking, there is no way for FCPS to know who they are selecting and which qualified student is left behind. Yet, this subjective selection has a targeted purpose, which is to claim achievement of predetermined diversity mix, even it means excluding a qualified student due to color of their skin and including an under qualifed student based on their different skin color.

Parent of kid from Cooper here. My kid didn’t apply to TJ but he had friends who absolutely belong at TJ. I’m not sure who is picking the kids or how the top 1.5% is being calculated but something is definitely wrong. The kids we knew who did not get in are Asian.

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Anonymous wrote:How does TJ figure out whether a child is o within the top 1.5% in a specific middle school? Is it based on the 7th grade GPA?

I don’t know how they are figuring it out. I know they are getting it wrong at Longfellow. My kid was not in the 1.5%. Fine. Perfect GPA but I can believe that there were many in this situation and they came up with some process to select. I can accept my kid didn’t make the cut. But there are kids in my child’s math and science classes at McLean that absolutely should have been at the county STEM magnet. If these kids are not top 1.5%, nobody is.

It doesn’t matter though. Lots of great opportunities at the base school and hopefully kids for whom the TJ offerings are critical will get a chance to experience it.

You are witnessing the effects of equity politics in public schools.
If selection were objective and based on merit based criteria, then students with advanced academic abilities in math & science would have been selected for TJ. Since selection shifted to a namesake essay evaluation with concealed subjective ranking, there is no way for FCPS to know who they are selecting and which qualified student is left behind. Yet, this subjective selection has a targeted purpose, which is to claim achievement of predetermined diversity mix, even it means excluding a qualified student due to color of their skin and including an under qualifed student based on their different skin color.

Parent of kid from Cooper here. My kid didn’t apply to TJ but he had friends who absolutely belong at TJ. I’m not sure who is picking the kids or how the top 1.5% is being calculated but something is definitely wrong. The kids we knew who did not get in are Asian.

How about selection based on a biased dice throw. You are in if you get a 6 or more
Bias factors a.k.a "experience factors" (adds to the number the dice shows):
a. Underrepresented school (+3)
b. Economically disadvantaged (+3)
c. English language learner (+2)
d. Special education (+2)

Does the selection makes more sense with this?

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Anonymous wrote:How does TJ figure out whether a child is o within the top 1.5% in a specific middle school? Is it based on the 7th grade GPA?

I don’t know how they are figuring it out. I know they are getting it wrong at Longfellow. My kid was not in the 1.5%. Fine. Perfect GPA but I can believe that there were many in this situation and they came up with some process to select. I can accept my kid didn’t make the cut. But there are kids in my child’s math and science classes at McLean that absolutely should have been at the county STEM magnet. If these kids are not top 1.5%, nobody is.

It doesn’t matter though. Lots of great opportunities at the base school and hopefully kids for whom the TJ offerings are critical will get a chance to experience it.

You are witnessing the effects of equity politics in public schools.
If selection were objective and based on merit based criteria, then students with advanced academic abilities in math & science would have been selected for TJ. Since selection shifted to a namesake essay evaluation with concealed subjective ranking, there is no way for FCPS to know who they are selecting and which qualified student is left behind. Yet, this subjective selection has a targeted purpose, which is to claim achievement of predetermined diversity mix, even it means excluding a qualified student due to color of their skin and including an under qualifed student based on their different skin color.

The problem is unlike the people on the selection committee with access to student records parents make a bunch of assumptions about merit which are more often than not false.

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Anonymous wrote:How does TJ figure out whether a child is o within the top 1.5% in a specific middle school? Is it based on the 7th grade GPA?

I don’t know how they are figuring it out. I know they are getting it wrong at Longfellow. My kid was not in the 1.5%. Fine. Perfect GPA but I can believe that there were many in this situation and they came up with some process to select. I can accept my kid didn’t make the cut. But there are kids in my child’s math and science classes at McLean that absolutely should have been at the county STEM magnet. If these kids are not top 1.5%, nobody is.

It doesn’t matter though. Lots of great opportunities at the base school and hopefully kids for whom the TJ offerings are critical will get a chance to experience it.

You are witnessing the effects of equity politics in public schools.
If selection were objective and based on merit based criteria, then students with advanced academic abilities in math & science would have been selected for TJ. Since selection shifted to a namesake essay evaluation with concealed subjective ranking, there is no way for FCPS to know who they are selecting and which qualified student is left behind. Yet, this subjective selection has a targeted purpose, which is to claim achievement of predetermined diversity mix, even it means excluding a qualified student due to color of their skin and including an under qualifed student based on their different skin color.

Parent of kid from Cooper here. My kid didn’t apply to TJ but he had friends who absolutely belong at TJ. I’m not sure who is picking the kids or how the top 1.5% is being calculated but something is definitely wrong. The kids we knew who did not get in are Asian.

Two tiers of students at TJ - holistic and equity. Hollistic kids enroll in advanced courses, engage in sports and extracurriculars, and have time for TJ peer tutoring. Equity kids are in remedial or getting tutored by hollistic kids, who entered TJ with solid middle school preparation.

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Anonymous wrote:How does TJ figure out whether a child is o within the top 1.5% in a specific middle school? Is it based on the 7th grade GPA?

I don’t know how they are figuring it out. I know they are getting it wrong at Longfellow. My kid was not in the 1.5%. Fine. Perfect GPA but I can believe that there were many in this situation and they came up with some process to select. I can accept my kid didn’t make the cut. But there are kids in my child’s math and science classes at McLean that absolutely should have been at the county STEM magnet. If these kids are not top 1.5%, nobody is.

It doesn’t matter though. Lots of great opportunities at the base school and hopefully kids for whom the TJ offerings are critical will get a chance to experience it.

You are witnessing the effects of equity politics in public schools.
If selection were objective and based on merit based criteria, then students with advanced academic abilities in math & science would have been selected for TJ. Since selection shifted to a namesake essay evaluation with concealed subjective ranking, there is no way for FCPS to know who they are selecting and which qualified student is left behind. Yet, this subjective selection has a targeted purpose, which is to claim achievement of predetermined diversity mix, even it means excluding a qualified student due to color of their skin and including an under qualifed student based on their different skin color.

Parent of kid from Cooper here. My kid didn’t apply to TJ but he had friends who absolutely belong at TJ. I’m not sure who is picking the kids or how the top 1.5% is being calculated but something is definitely wrong. The kids we knew who did not get in are Asian.

Two tiers of students at TJ - holistic and equity. Hollistic kids enroll in advanced courses, engage in sports and extracurriculars, and have time for TJ peer tutoring. Equity kids are in remedial or getting tutored by hollistic kids, who entered TJ with solid middle school preparation.

No basis in reality here.

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Anonymous wrote:How does TJ figure out whether a child is o within the top 1.5% in a specific middle school? Is it based on the 7th grade GPA?

I don’t know how they are figuring it out. I know they are getting it wrong at Longfellow. My kid was not in the 1.5%. Fine. Perfect GPA but I can believe that there were many in this situation and they came up with some process to select. I can accept my kid didn’t make the cut. But there are kids in my child’s math and science classes at McLean that absolutely should have been at the county STEM magnet. If these kids are not top 1.5%, nobody is.

It doesn’t matter though. Lots of great opportunities at the base school and hopefully kids for whom the TJ offerings are critical will get a chance to experience it.

You are witnessing the effects of equity politics in public schools.
If selection were objective and based on merit based criteria, then students with advanced academic abilities in math & science would have been selected for TJ. Since selection shifted to a namesake essay evaluation with concealed subjective ranking, there is no way for FCPS to know who they are selecting and which qualified student is left behind. Yet, this subjective selection has a targeted purpose, which is to claim achievement of predetermined diversity mix, even it means excluding a qualified student due to color of their skin and including an under qualifed student based on their different skin color.

Parent of kid from Cooper here. My kid didn’t apply to TJ but he had friends who absolutely belong at TJ. I’m not sure who is picking the kids or how the top 1.5% is being calculated but something is definitely wrong. The kids we knew who did not get in are Asian.

Two tiers of students at TJ - holistic and equity. Hollistic kids enroll in advanced courses, engage in sports and extracurriculars, and have time for TJ peer tutoring. Equity kids are in remedial or getting tutored by hollistic kids, who entered TJ with solid middle school preparation.

No basis in reality here.

Sure, but I love telling this fake narrative to support my agenda.

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Anonymous wrote:How does TJ figure out whether a child is o within the top 1.5% in a specific middle school? Is it based on the 7th grade GPA?

I don’t know how they are figuring it out. I know they are getting it wrong at Longfellow. My kid was not in the 1.5%. Fine. Perfect GPA but I can believe that there were many in this situation and they came up with some process to select. I can accept my kid didn’t make the cut. But there are kids in my child’s math and science classes at McLean that absolutely should have been at the county STEM magnet. If these kids are not top 1.5%, nobody is.

It doesn’t matter though. Lots of great opportunities at the base school and hopefully kids for whom the TJ offerings are critical will get a chance to experience it.

You are witnessing the effects of equity politics in public schools.
If selection were objective and based on merit based criteria, then students with advanced academic abilities in math & science would have been selected for TJ. Since selection shifted to a namesake essay evaluation with concealed subjective ranking, there is no way for FCPS to know who they are selecting and which qualified student is left behind. Yet, this subjective selection has a targeted purpose, which is to claim achievement of predetermined diversity mix, even it means excluding a qualified student due to color of their skin and including an under qualifed student based on their different skin color.

Parent of kid from Cooper here. My kid didn’t apply to TJ but he had friends who absolutely belong at TJ. I’m not sure who is picking the kids or how the top 1.5% is being calculated but something is definitely wrong. The kids we knew who did not get in are Asian.

Two tiers of students at TJ - holistic and equity. Hollistic kids enroll in advanced courses, engage in sports and extracurriculars, and have time for TJ peer tutoring. Equity kids are in remedial or getting tutored by hollistic kids, who entered TJ with solid middle school preparation.

No basis in reality here.

It's true. I know many equity kids are struggling.

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Anonymous wrote:How does TJ figure out whether a child is o within the top 1.5% in a specific middle school? Is it based on the 7th grade GPA?

I don’t know how they are figuring it out. I know they are getting it wrong at Longfellow. My kid was not in the 1.5%. Fine. Perfect GPA but I can believe that there were many in this situation and they came up with some process to select. I can accept my kid didn’t make the cut. But there are kids in my child’s math and science classes at McLean that absolutely should have been at the county STEM magnet. If these kids are not top 1.5%, nobody is.

It doesn’t matter though. Lots of great opportunities at the base school and hopefully kids for whom the TJ offerings are critical will get a chance to experience it.

You are witnessing the effects of equity politics in public schools.
If selection were objective and based on merit based criteria, then students with advanced academic abilities in math & science would have been selected for TJ. Since selection shifted to a namesake essay evaluation with concealed subjective ranking, there is no way for FCPS to know who they are selecting and which qualified student is left behind. Yet, this subjective selection has a targeted purpose, which is to claim achievement of predetermined diversity mix, even it means excluding a qualified student due to color of their skin and including an under qualifed student based on their different skin color.

Parent of kid from Cooper here. My kid didn’t apply to TJ but he had friends who absolutely belong at TJ. I’m not sure who is picking the kids or how the top 1.5% is being calculated but something is definitely wrong. The kids we knew who did not get in are Asian.

Two tiers of students at TJ - holistic and equity. Hollistic kids enroll in advanced courses, engage in sports and extracurriculars, and have time for TJ peer tutoring. Equity kids are in remedial or getting tutored by hollistic kids, who entered TJ with solid middle school preparation.

No basis in reality here.

It's true. I know many equity kids are struggling.

I sincerely doubt that… but many kids have struggled in every year of TJ’s existence, especially in their freshmen and sophomore years. Pretending that it’s somehow different now because of the changes in the admissions process betrays a lack of familiarity with TJ’s history.

And the use of the term “equity kids” is especially crappy because you have absolutely no idea who those kids are. There have always been a few Black kids, Latino kids, Prince William kids, and poor kids at TJ. You have no idea which ones would have gotten in under the old process.

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Anonymous wrote:How does TJ figure out whether a child is o within the top 1.5% in a specific middle school? Is it based on the 7th grade GPA?

I don’t know how they are figuring it out. I know they are getting it wrong at Longfellow. My kid was not in the 1.5%. Fine. Perfect GPA but I can believe that there were many in this situation and they came up with some process to select. I can accept my kid didn’t make the cut. But there are kids in my child’s math and science classes at McLean that absolutely should have been at the county STEM magnet. If these kids are not top 1.5%, nobody is.

It doesn’t matter though. Lots of great opportunities at the base school and hopefully kids for whom the TJ offerings are critical will get a chance to experience it.

You are witnessing the effects of equity politics in public schools.
If selection were objective and based on merit based criteria, then students with advanced academic abilities in math & science would have been selected for TJ. Since selection shifted to a namesake essay evaluation with concealed subjective ranking, there is no way for FCPS to know who they are selecting and which qualified student is left behind. Yet, this subjective selection has a targeted purpose, which is to claim achievement of predetermined diversity mix, even it means excluding a qualified student due to color of their skin and including an under qualifed student based on their different skin color.

Parent of kid from Cooper here. My kid didn’t apply to TJ but he had friends who absolutely belong at TJ. I’m not sure who is picking the kids or how the top 1.5% is being calculated but something is definitely wrong. The kids we knew who did not get in are Asian.

Two tiers of students at TJ - holistic and equity. Hollistic kids enroll in advanced courses, engage in sports and extracurriculars, and have time for TJ peer tutoring. Equity kids are in remedial or getting tutored by hollistic kids, who entered TJ with solid middle school preparation.

No basis in reality here.

It's true. I know many equity kids are struggling.

What I meant to say is they aren't really but I like to say this because it supports my personal agenda.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How does TJ figure out whether a child is o within the top 1.5% in a specific middle school? Is it based on the 7th grade GPA?

I don’t know how they are figuring it out. I know they are getting it wrong at Longfellow. My kid was not in the 1.5%. Fine. Perfect GPA but I can believe that there were many in this situation and they came up with some process to select. I can accept my kid didn’t make the cut. But there are kids in my child’s math and science classes at McLean that absolutely should have been at the county STEM magnet. If these kids are not top 1.5%, nobody is.

It doesn’t matter though. Lots of great opportunities at the base school and hopefully kids for whom the TJ offerings are critical will get a chance to experience it.

You are witnessing the effects of equity politics in public schools.
If selection were objective and based on merit based criteria, then students with advanced academic abilities in math & science would have been selected for TJ. Since selection shifted to a namesake essay evaluation with concealed subjective ranking, there is no way for FCPS to know who they are selecting and which qualified student is left behind. Yet, this subjective selection has a targeted purpose, which is to claim achievement of predetermined diversity mix, even it means excluding a qualified student due to color of their skin and including an under qualifed student based on their different skin color.

Parent of kid from Cooper here. My kid didn’t apply to TJ but he had friends who absolutely belong at TJ. I’m not sure who is picking the kids or how the top 1.5% is being calculated but something is definitely wrong. The kids we knew who did not get in are Asian.

Two tiers of students at TJ - holistic and equity. Hollistic kids enroll in advanced courses, engage in sports and extracurriculars, and have time for TJ peer tutoring. Equity kids are in remedial or getting tutored by hollistic kids, who entered TJ with solid middle school preparation.

TJ Peer Tutoring is deeply rewarding and fulfilling for advanced students to contribute to the TJ community by helping out their peers do better in challenging subjects. Hope more students who require assistance would take advantage of it without concerns of being judged.

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Yes, yes, keep fighting each other for the scraps instead of demanding quality education for all.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, yes, keep fighting each other for the scraps instead of demanding quality education for all.

I don't know about you but our base high school is a quality education. That doesn't mean we're not interested in a magnet high school as an alternative. No fighting here.