How does TJ admissions figure out the top 1.5 percent?

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Anonymous wrote:How does TJ figure out whether a child is o within the top 1.5% in a specific middle school? Is it based on the 7th grade GPA?

I don’t know how they are figuring it out. I know they are getting it wrong at Longfellow. My kid was not in the 1.5%. Fine. Perfect GPA but I can believe that there were many in this situation and they came up with some process to select. I can accept my kid didn’t make the cut. But there are kids in my child’s math and science classes at McLean that absolutely should have been at the county STEM magnet. If these kids are not top 1.5%, nobody is.

It doesn’t matter though. Lots of great opportunities at the base school and hopefully kids for whom the TJ offerings are critical will get a chance to experience it.

You are witnessing the effects of equity politics in public schools.
If selection were objective and based on merit based criteria, then students with advanced academic abilities in math & science would have been selected for TJ. Since selection shifted to a namesake essay evaluation with concealed subjective ranking, there is no way for FCPS to know who they are selecting and which qualified student is left behind. Yet, this subjective selection has a targeted purpose, which is to claim achievement of predetermined diversity mix, even it means excluding a qualified student due to color of their skin and including an under qualifed student based on their different skin color.

Skin color is not the target. Geographic diversity is. If, coincidentally, the current state of housing costs in Fairfax County means there's a correlation to skin color then it is what it is but it is not deliberate.

The wealthy are free to move anywhere they want to in order to gain any advantage they deem necessary. The poor do not have that luxury and freedom.

If Young Scholars, FARMs, and ELL are all factors, then a white middle class kid from a poorer school has no chance

The essay is the most important factor. Not the experience or "other" factors.

You're assuming that there is a wide dispersion in essay scores. If it's standard FCPS everyone gets an A scoring, then you'll have a bunch of kids with perfect GPAs and high essay scores. That leaves it to experience factors to differentiate

Who said essays are "scored"? Is there any mention on the FCPS TJ website regarding usage of essay scores? There is no such score; if it were present, FCPS would be obligated to disclose it to applicants.

Essays are absolutely scored.

FCPS is not obligated to disclose any scores to applicants at all. Why do you think that they are?

FERPA

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Anonymous wrote:How does TJ figure out whether a child is o within the top 1.5% in a specific middle school? Is it based on the 7th grade GPA?

I don’t know how they are figuring it out. I know they are getting it wrong at Longfellow. My kid was not in the 1.5%. Fine. Perfect GPA but I can believe that there were many in this situation and they came up with some process to select. I can accept my kid didn’t make the cut. But there are kids in my child’s math and science classes at McLean that absolutely should have been at the county STEM magnet. If these kids are not top 1.5%, nobody is.

It doesn’t matter though. Lots of great opportunities at the base school and hopefully kids for whom the TJ offerings are critical will get a chance to experience it.

You are witnessing the effects of equity politics in public schools.
If selection were objective and based on merit based criteria, then students with advanced academic abilities in math & science would have been selected for TJ. Since selection shifted to a namesake essay evaluation with concealed subjective ranking, there is no way for FCPS to know who they are selecting and which qualified student is left behind. Yet, this subjective selection has a targeted purpose, which is to claim achievement of predetermined diversity mix, even it means excluding a qualified student due to color of their skin and including an under qualifed student based on their different skin color.

Skin color is not the target. Geographic diversity is. If, coincidentally, the current state of housing costs in Fairfax County means there's a correlation to skin color then it is what it is but it is not deliberate.

The wealthy are free to move anywhere they want to in order to gain any advantage they deem necessary. The poor do not have that luxury and freedom.

If Young Scholars, FARMs, and ELL are all factors, then a white middle class kid from a poorer school has no chance

The essay is the most important factor. Not the experience or "other" factors.

You're assuming that there is a wide dispersion in essay scores. If it's standard FCPS everyone gets an A scoring, then you'll have a bunch of kids with perfect GPAs and high essay scores. That leaves it to experience factors to differentiate

Who said essays are "scored"? Is there any mention on the FCPS TJ website regarding usage of essay scores? There is no such score; if it were present, FCPS would be obligated to disclose it to applicants.

Essays are absolutely scored.

FCPS is not obligated to disclose any scores to applicants at all. Why do you think that they are?

How did you get this insider information? do you work there?

How else do you interpret this:

"A holistic review will be done of students whose applications demonstrate enhanced merit; 550 seats will then be offered to the highest-evaluated students. Students will be evaluated on their grade point average (GPA); a student portrait sheet where they will be asked to demonstrate Portrait of a Graduate attributes and 21st century skills; a problem-solving essay; and experience factors, including students who are economically disadvantaged, English language learners, or special education students."

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Anonymous wrote:How does TJ figure out whether a child is o within the top 1.5% in a specific middle school? Is it based on the 7th grade GPA?

I don’t know how they are figuring it out. I know they are getting it wrong at Longfellow. My kid was not in the 1.5%. Fine. Perfect GPA but I can believe that there were many in this situation and they came up with some process to select. I can accept my kid didn’t make the cut. But there are kids in my child’s math and science classes at McLean that absolutely should have been at the county STEM magnet. If these kids are not top 1.5%, nobody is.

It doesn’t matter though. Lots of great opportunities at the base school and hopefully kids for whom the TJ offerings are critical will get a chance to experience it.

You are witnessing the effects of equity politics in public schools.
If selection were objective and based on merit based criteria, then students with advanced academic abilities in math & science would have been selected for TJ. Since selection shifted to a namesake essay evaluation with concealed subjective ranking, there is no way for FCPS to know who they are selecting and which qualified student is left behind. Yet, this subjective selection has a targeted purpose, which is to claim achievement of predetermined diversity mix, even it means excluding a qualified student due to color of their skin and including an under qualifed student based on their different skin color.

Skin color is not the target. Geographic diversity is. If, coincidentally, the current state of housing costs in Fairfax County means there's a correlation to skin color then it is what it is but it is not deliberate.

The wealthy are free to move anywhere they want to in order to gain any advantage they deem necessary. The poor do not have that luxury and freedom.

If Young Scholars, FARMs, and ELL are all factors, then a white middle class kid from a poorer school has no chance

The essay is the most important factor. Not the experience or "other" factors.

You're assuming that there is a wide dispersion in essay scores. If it's standard FCPS everyone gets an A scoring, then you'll have a bunch of kids with perfect GPAs and high essay scores. That leaves it to experience factors to differentiate

Who said essays are "scored"? Is there any mention on the FCPS TJ website regarding usage of essay scores? There is no such score; if it were present, FCPS would be obligated to disclose it to applicants.

Essays are absolutely scored.

FCPS is not obligated to disclose any scores to applicants at all. Why do you think that they are?

How did you get this insider information? do you work there?

No. It's publicly available information. Every aspect of the application is given a score and those scores are combined, along with bonus points from the experience factors, to create a total applicant score.

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Anonymous wrote:How does TJ figure out whether a child is o within the top 1.5% in a specific middle school? Is it based on the 7th grade GPA?

I don’t know how they are figuring it out. I know they are getting it wrong at Longfellow. My kid was not in the 1.5%. Fine. Perfect GPA but I can believe that there were many in this situation and they came up with some process to select. I can accept my kid didn’t make the cut. But there are kids in my child’s math and science classes at McLean that absolutely should have been at the county STEM magnet. If these kids are not top 1.5%, nobody is.

It doesn’t matter though. Lots of great opportunities at the base school and hopefully kids for whom the TJ offerings are critical will get a chance to experience it.

You are witnessing the effects of equity politics in public schools.
If selection were objective and based on merit based criteria, then students with advanced academic abilities in math & science would have been selected for TJ. Since selection shifted to a namesake essay evaluation with concealed subjective ranking, there is no way for FCPS to know who they are selecting and which qualified student is left behind. Yet, this subjective selection has a targeted purpose, which is to claim achievement of predetermined diversity mix, even it means excluding a qualified student due to color of their skin and including an under qualifed student based on their different skin color.

Skin color is not the target. Geographic diversity is. If, coincidentally, the current state of housing costs in Fairfax County means there's a correlation to skin color then it is what it is but it is not deliberate.

The wealthy are free to move anywhere they want to in order to gain any advantage they deem necessary. The poor do not have that luxury and freedom.

If Young Scholars, FARMs, and ELL are all factors, then a white middle class kid from a poorer school has no chance

The essay is the most important factor. Not the experience or "other" factors.

You're assuming that there is a wide dispersion in essay scores. If it's standard FCPS everyone gets an A scoring, then you'll have a bunch of kids with perfect GPAs and high essay scores. That leaves it to experience factors to differentiate

Who said essays are "scored"? Is there any mention on the FCPS TJ website regarding usage of essay scores? There is no such score; if it were present, FCPS would be obligated to disclose it to applicants.

Essays are absolutely scored.

FCPS is not obligated to disclose any scores to applicants at all. Why do you think that they are?

FERPA

FERPA doesn't prevent a student/parent/guardian from viewing their own score; it restricts third-party access without explicit permission from the student/parent. If a student essay receives a score, they have the right to access it. However, this admissions process involves subjective selection, and there is no mention anywhere of existence of essay scores.

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Anonymous wrote:How does TJ figure out whether a child is o within the top 1.5% in a specific middle school? Is it based on the 7th grade GPA?

I don’t know how they are figuring it out. I know they are getting it wrong at Longfellow. My kid was not in the 1.5%. Fine. Perfect GPA but I can believe that there were many in this situation and they came up with some process to select. I can accept my kid didn’t make the cut. But there are kids in my child’s math and science classes at McLean that absolutely should have been at the county STEM magnet. If these kids are not top 1.5%, nobody is.

It doesn’t matter though. Lots of great opportunities at the base school and hopefully kids for whom the TJ offerings are critical will get a chance to experience it.

You are witnessing the effects of equity politics in public schools.
If selection were objective and based on merit based criteria, then students with advanced academic abilities in math & science would have been selected for TJ. Since selection shifted to a namesake essay evaluation with concealed subjective ranking, there is no way for FCPS to know who they are selecting and which qualified student is left behind. Yet, this subjective selection has a targeted purpose, which is to claim achievement of predetermined diversity mix, even it means excluding a qualified student due to color of their skin and including an under qualifed student based on their different skin color.

Skin color is not the target. Geographic diversity is. If, coincidentally, the current state of housing costs in Fairfax County means there's a correlation to skin color then it is what it is but it is not deliberate.

The wealthy are free to move anywhere they want to in order to gain any advantage they deem necessary. The poor do not have that luxury and freedom.

Sure they intend to target race. These liberals have been advocating this social-engineering ideology everywhere, such as schools, executive positions, STEM jobs, sports team ownership, etc.

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Why does this unethically change in the admission process always happen when the president is a Democrat?

TJ-2020
TJ-2013
AET/AOS-2020

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Anonymous wrote:Why does this unethically change in the admission process always happen when the president is a Democrat?

TJ-2020
TJ-2013
AET/AOS-2020

You might have fun with this website: https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

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Anonymous wrote:How does TJ figure out whether a child is o within the top 1.5% in a specific middle school? Is it based on the 7th grade GPA?

I don’t know how they are figuring it out. I know they are getting it wrong at Longfellow. My kid was not in the 1.5%. Fine. Perfect GPA but I can believe that there were many in this situation and they came up with some process to select. I can accept my kid didn’t make the cut. But there are kids in my child’s math and science classes at McLean that absolutely should have been at the county STEM magnet. If these kids are not top 1.5%, nobody is.

It doesn’t matter though. Lots of great opportunities at the base school and hopefully kids for whom the TJ offerings are critical will get a chance to experience it.

You are witnessing the effects of equity politics in public schools.
If selection were objective and based on merit based criteria, then students with advanced academic abilities in math & science would have been selected for TJ. Since selection shifted to a namesake essay evaluation with concealed subjective ranking, there is no way for FCPS to know who they are selecting and which qualified student is left behind. Yet, this subjective selection has a targeted purpose, which is to claim achievement of predetermined diversity mix, even it means excluding a qualified student due to color of their skin and including an under qualifed student based on their different skin color.

Skin color is not the target. Geographic diversity is. If, coincidentally, the current state of housing costs in Fairfax County means there's a correlation to skin color then it is what it is but it is not deliberate.

The wealthy are free to move anywhere they want to in order to gain any advantage they deem necessary. The poor do not have that luxury and freedom.

If Young Scholars, FARMs, and ELL are all factors, then a white middle class kid from a poorer school has no chance

The essay is the most important factor. Not the experience or "other" factors.

You're assuming that there is a wide dispersion in essay scores. If it's standard FCPS everyone gets an A scoring, then you'll have a bunch of kids with perfect GPAs and high essay scores. That leaves it to experience factors to differentiate

Who said essays are "scored"? Is there any mention on the FCPS TJ website regarding usage of essay scores? There is no such score; if it were present, FCPS would be obligated to disclose it to applicants.

Essays are absolutely scored.

FCPS is not obligated to disclose any scores to applicants at all. Why do you think that they are?

How did you get this insider information? do you work there?

How else do you interpret this:

"A holistic review will be done of students whose applications demonstrate enhanced merit; 550 seats will then be offered to the highest-evaluated students. Students will be evaluated on their grade point average (GPA); a student portrait sheet where they will be asked to demonstrate Portrait of a Graduate attributes and 21st century skills; a problem-solving essay; and experience factors, including students who are economically disadvantaged, English language learners, or special education students."

It is a race-targeting admission process.
TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students after the new race-targeted admission was put in place.
It is a shady and corrupt process. The admission staff have many ways to cheat and pick their favorite kids in each middle school

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My question is that in a process heavily weighting portrait of a graduate essays, how race blind is the process? Even if the race isn't directly included, if kids find a way to work race or other minority status into their essays, are they scored very generously compared to other kids?

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Anonymous wrote:Why does this unethically change in the admission process always happen when the president is a Democrat?

TJ-2020
TJ-2013
AET/AOS-2020

You might have fun with this website: https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

Well done friend. That’s HILARIOUS.

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Anonymous wrote:How does TJ figure out whether a child is o within the top 1.5% in a specific middle school? Is it based on the 7th grade GPA?

I don’t know how they are figuring it out. I know they are getting it wrong at Longfellow. My kid was not in the 1.5%. Fine. Perfect GPA but I can believe that there were many in this situation and they came up with some process to select. I can accept my kid didn’t make the cut. But there are kids in my child’s math and science classes at McLean that absolutely should have been at the county STEM magnet. If these kids are not top 1.5%, nobody is.

It doesn’t matter though. Lots of great opportunities at the base school and hopefully kids for whom the TJ offerings are critical will get a chance to experience it.

You are witnessing the effects of equity politics in public schools.
If selection were objective and based on merit based criteria, then students with advanced academic abilities in math & science would have been selected for TJ. Since selection shifted to a namesake essay evaluation with concealed subjective ranking, there is no way for FCPS to know who they are selecting and which qualified student is left behind. Yet, this subjective selection has a targeted purpose, which is to claim achievement of predetermined diversity mix, even it means excluding a qualified student due to color of their skin and including an under qualifed student based on their different skin color.

Skin color is not the target. Geographic diversity is. If, coincidentally, the current state of housing costs in Fairfax County means there's a correlation to skin color then it is what it is but it is not deliberate.

The wealthy are free to move anywhere they want to in order to gain any advantage they deem necessary. The poor do not have that luxury and freedom.

If Young Scholars, FARMs, and ELL are all factors, then a white middle class kid from a poorer school has no chance

The essay is the most important factor. Not the experience or "other" factors.

You're assuming that there is a wide dispersion in essay scores. If it's standard FCPS everyone gets an A scoring, then you'll have a bunch of kids with perfect GPAs and high essay scores. That leaves it to experience factors to differentiate

Who said essays are "scored"? Is there any mention on the FCPS TJ website regarding usage of essay scores? There is no such score; if it were present, FCPS would be obligated to disclose it to applicants.

Essays are absolutely scored.

FCPS is not obligated to disclose any scores to applicants at all. Why do you think that they are?

How did you get this insider information? do you work there?

How else do you interpret this:

"A holistic review will be done of students whose applications demonstrate enhanced merit; 550 seats will then be offered to the highest-evaluated students. Students will be evaluated on their grade point average (GPA); a student portrait sheet where they will be asked to demonstrate Portrait of a Graduate attributes and 21st century skills; a problem-solving essay; and experience factors, including students who are economically disadvantaged, English language learners, or special education students."

It is a race-targeting admission process.
TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students after the new race-targeted admission was put in place.
It is a shady and corrupt process. The admission staff have many ways to cheat and pick their favorite kids in each middle school

I suggest you read the book "How to Lie with Statistics." Unless your purpose was to deliberately mislead.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does this unethically change in the admission process always happen when the president is a Democrat?

TJ-2020
TJ-2013
AET/AOS-2020

You might have fun with this website: https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

Well done friend. That’s HILARIOUS.

Childish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does this unethically change in the admission process always happen when the president is a Democrat?

TJ-2020
TJ-2013
AET/AOS-2020

You might have fun with this website: https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

You might have fun with this. https://youtu.be/znlJdzR5gBo?si=tM5S3uRGnZpy4oRw

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why does this unethically change in the admission process always happen when the president is a Democrat?

TJ-2020
TJ-2013
AET/AOS-2020

LOL Trump was the President in 2020. Biden was sworn in Jan 20 2021.

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Anonymous wrote:How does TJ figure out whether a child is o within the top 1.5% in a specific middle school? Is it based on the 7th grade GPA?

I don’t know how they are figuring it out. I know they are getting it wrong at Longfellow. My kid was not in the 1.5%. Fine. Perfect GPA but I can believe that there were many in this situation and they came up with some process to select. I can accept my kid didn’t make the cut. But there are kids in my child’s math and science classes at McLean that absolutely should have been at the county STEM magnet. If these kids are not top 1.5%, nobody is.

It doesn’t matter though. Lots of great opportunities at the base school and hopefully kids for whom the TJ offerings are critical will get a chance to experience it.

You are witnessing the effects of equity politics in public schools.
If selection were objective and based on merit based criteria, then students with advanced academic abilities in math & science would have been selected for TJ. Since selection shifted to a namesake essay evaluation with concealed subjective ranking, there is no way for FCPS to know who they are selecting and which qualified student is left behind. Yet, this subjective selection has a targeted purpose, which is to claim achievement of predetermined diversity mix, even it means excluding a qualified student due to color of their skin and including an under qualifed student based on their different skin color.

Skin color is not the target. Geographic diversity is. If, coincidentally, the current state of housing costs in Fairfax County means there's a correlation to skin color then it is what it is but it is not deliberate.

The wealthy are free to move anywhere they want to in order to gain any advantage they deem necessary. The poor do not have that luxury and freedom.

If Young Scholars, FARMs, and ELL are all factors, then a white middle class kid from a poorer school has no chance

The essay is the most important factor. Not the experience or "other" factors.

You're assuming that there is a wide dispersion in essay scores. If it's standard FCPS everyone gets an A scoring, then you'll have a bunch of kids with perfect GPAs and high essay scores. That leaves it to experience factors to differentiate

Who said essays are "scored"? Is there any mention on the FCPS TJ website regarding usage of essay scores? There is no such score; if it were present, FCPS would be obligated to disclose it to applicants.

Essays are absolutely scored.

FCPS is not obligated to disclose any scores to applicants at all. Why do you think that they are?

How did you get this insider information? do you work there?

How else do you interpret this:

"A holistic review will be done of students whose applications demonstrate enhanced merit; 550 seats will then be offered to the highest-evaluated students. Students will be evaluated on their grade point average (GPA); a student portrait sheet where they will be asked to demonstrate Portrait of a Graduate attributes and 21st century skills; a problem-solving essay; and experience factors, including students who are economically disadvantaged, English language learners, or special education students."

It is a race-targeting admission process.
TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students after the new race-targeted admission was put in place.
It is a shady and corrupt process. The admission staff have many ways to cheat and pick their favorite kids in each middle school

I suggest you read the book "How to Lie with Statistics." Unless your purpose was to deliberately mislead.

Deliberately mislead of course. I mean the program is still 60% Asian. My understanding was the changes caused about an 8% drop but any changes to the process will likely impact a group that is so disproportional to all othes.