Savings with an EV?

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Anonymous wrote:Keep drinking from the EV juice tub.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/man-forced-ditch-115k-ford-ev-truck-family-road-trip-chicago-biggest-scam-modern-times

Did this guy do ANY research before he dropped 85K (in USD) on that F-150???

He thought he could go camping way off road in it? Did he plan to bring a 5 gallon container of electricity to refuel the truck?

He decided to road trip through vast western states where charging is very limited? Did he even look at a charging map?

Now, he thinks it's a 'scam'...because he can't figure it out.

It's not a scam. It's just not for everyone's situation at this moment in time. I did my research (before spending about 50k LESS than he did ) and got the right (used) vehicle for me. I have a PHEV, a 2017 Chevy Volt, which I charge at home. I am using about 2/3 less gas on my long commute (I get about 45-50 miles on the battery on my 75 mile RT commute). I did some basic research before I got this.

Of course, some Fox watcher at work, first day I drove it, said 'aren't you worried its going to catch fire?' I'm like dude you have never seen a ICE on fire? They do that, no I'm not worried.

I think he had reasonable expectations
What is so wrong with going on a road trip?
Obviously he was not told everything he needed to know
I

Clearly, he did no research. I'm the pp and like I said, I did research on my daily commute and realize that I couldn't charge enough so I chose a phev. He didn't do any research on a major road trip before purchasing a $85,000 vehicle. It's very easy to Google a map of charging stations and he would have seen that there were few to none along his route he wanted to take.

He did do his research
Read the article
What took him by surprise is that the refueling stations did not work as expected

I read it. He didn't do his research! He literally said that he 'can't take it camping off grid' well duh, off grid means you are off electrical lines (unless you have an extensive solar array). And he didn't know it would cost so much to install a charger at home and work? He didn't check with an electrician before he had to spend $6k at home for that? His system had to be an antique because I don't know anyone who has spent anywhere near that. And why did he 'have' to put in a charger at work?

He didn't do his research, made a huge $$$ purchase that wasn't right for him, and calls it a 'scam'. It's not a scam, at all.

On the contrary, based on my recent experience at a dealership when I was looking to purchase an ev, the sales person and the manager assured me that I would not need to install a charger at home because an ordinary outlet was fine. And he is correct, installing a charger for an ev costs a lot of money

As for installing one at his work, I would need to know more about his work to comment further.

To the extent any of his complaints are "this is too expensive," he almost definitely didn't need to get the most expensive F-150 Lightning, no matter what his work is. They have models that start at $50,000. To get to $115,000, even including the two level 2 chargers he paid for and the heavy-up at his house, he must have bought the Platinum trim, which starts at $91,500.

It is not our business to judge what models or trim people want to spend money on
But I do see his point too. It is not unusual to trust professionals to do your research for you, especially after a certain price point

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keep drinking from the EV juice tub.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/man-forced-ditch-115k-ford-ev-truck-family-road-trip-chicago-biggest-scam-modern-times

Did this guy do ANY research before he dropped 85K (in USD) on that F-150???

He thought he could go camping way off road in it? Did he plan to bring a 5 gallon container of electricity to refuel the truck?

He decided to road trip through vast western states where charging is very limited? Did he even look at a charging map?

Now, he thinks it's a 'scam'...because he can't figure it out.

It's not a scam. It's just not for everyone's situation at this moment in time. I did my research (before spending about 50k LESS than he did ) and got the right (used) vehicle for me. I have a PHEV, a 2017 Chevy Volt, which I charge at home. I am using about 2/3 less gas on my long commute (I get about 45-50 miles on the battery on my 75 mile RT commute). I did some basic research before I got this.

Of course, some Fox watcher at work, first day I drove it, said 'aren't you worried its going to catch fire?' I'm like dude you have never seen a ICE on fire? They do that, no I'm not worried.

I think he had reasonable expectations
What is so wrong with going on a road trip?
Obviously he was not told everything he needed to know
I

Clearly, he did no research. I'm the pp and like I said, I did research on my daily commute and realize that I couldn't charge enough so I chose a phev. He didn't do any research on a major road trip before purchasing a $85,000 vehicle. It's very easy to Google a map of charging stations and he would have seen that there were few to none along his route he wanted to take.

He did do his research
Read the article
What took him by surprise is that the refueling stations did not work as expected

I read it. He didn't do his research! He literally said that he 'can't take it camping off grid' well duh, off grid means you are off electrical lines (unless you have an extensive solar array). And he didn't know it would cost so much to install a charger at home and work? He didn't check with an electrician before he had to spend $6k at home for that? His system had to be an antique because I don't know anyone who has spent anywhere near that. And why did he 'have' to put in a charger at work?

He didn't do his research, made a huge $$$ purchase that wasn't right for him, and calls it a 'scam'. It's not a scam, at all.

On the contrary, based on my recent experience at a dealership when I was looking to purchase an ev, the sales person and the manager assured me that I would not need to install a charger at home because an ordinary outlet was fine. And he is correct, installing a charger for an ev costs a lot of money

As for installing one at his work, I would need to know more about his work to comment further.

To the extent any of his complaints are "this is too expensive," he almost definitely didn't need to get the most expensive F-150 Lightning, no matter what his work is. They have models that start at $50,000. To get to $115,000, even including the two level 2 chargers he paid for and the heavy-up at his house, he must have bought the Platinum trim, which starts at $91,500.

It is not our business to judge what models or trim people want to spend money on
But I do see his point too. It is not unusual to trust professionals to do your research for you, especially after a certain price point

It's not our business, true, but if this story is going to be held up as an example of why EVs are a scam, then it's worth pointing out that he could have gotten the same EV for a little more than half of what he spent if he wanted to.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep drinking from the EV juice tub.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/man-forced-ditch-115k-ford-ev-truck-family-road-trip-chicago-biggest-scam-modern-times

Did this guy do ANY research before he dropped 85K (in USD) on that F-150???

He thought he could go camping way off road in it? Did he plan to bring a 5 gallon container of electricity to refuel the truck?

He decided to road trip through vast western states where charging is very limited? Did he even look at a charging map?

Now, he thinks it's a 'scam'...because he can't figure it out.

It's not a scam. It's just not for everyone's situation at this moment in time. I did my research (before spending about 50k LESS than he did ) and got the right (used) vehicle for me. I have a PHEV, a 2017 Chevy Volt, which I charge at home. I am using about 2/3 less gas on my long commute (I get about 45-50 miles on the battery on my 75 mile RT commute). I did some basic research before I got this.

Of course, some Fox watcher at work, first day I drove it, said 'aren't you worried its going to catch fire?' I'm like dude you have never seen a ICE on fire? They do that, no I'm not worried.

I think he had reasonable expectations
What is so wrong with going on a road trip?
Obviously he was not told everything he needed to know
I

Clearly, he did no research. I'm the pp and like I said, I did research on my daily commute and realize that I couldn't charge enough so I chose a phev. He didn't do any research on a major road trip before purchasing a $85,000 vehicle. It's very easy to Google a map of charging stations and he would have seen that there were few to none along his route he wanted to take.

He did do his research
Read the article
What took him by surprise is that the refueling stations did not work as expected

I read it. He didn't do his research! He literally said that he 'can't take it camping off grid' well duh, off grid means you are off electrical lines (unless you have an extensive solar array). And he didn't know it would cost so much to install a charger at home and work? He didn't check with an electrician before he had to spend $6k at home for that? His system had to be an antique because I don't know anyone who has spent anywhere near that. And why did he 'have' to put in a charger at work?

He didn't do his research, made a huge $$$ purchase that wasn't right for him, and calls it a 'scam'. It's not a scam, at all.

On the contrary, based on my recent experience at a dealership when I was looking to purchase an ev, the sales person and the manager assured me that I would not need to install a charger at home because an ordinary outlet was fine. And he is correct, installing a charger for an ev costs a lot of money

As for installing one at his work, I would need to know more about his work to comment further.

To the extent any of his complaints are "this is too expensive," he almost definitely didn't need to get the most expensive F-150 Lightning, no matter what his work is. They have models that start at $50,000. To get to $115,000, even including the two level 2 chargers he paid for and the heavy-up at his house, he must have bought the Platinum trim, which starts at $91,500.

It is not our business to judge what models or trim people want to spend money on
But I do see his point too. It is not unusual to trust professionals to do your research for you, especially after a certain price point

I'm judging him for calling it, on a national platform, a scam. It's not a scam, it's his own failure to do research.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keep drinking from the EV juice tub.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/man-forced-ditch-115k-ford-ev-truck-family-road-trip-chicago-biggest-scam-modern-times

Did this guy do ANY research before he dropped 85K (in USD) on that F-150???

He thought he could go camping way off road in it? Did he plan to bring a 5 gallon container of electricity to refuel the truck?

He decided to road trip through vast western states where charging is very limited? Did he even look at a charging map?

Now, he thinks it's a 'scam'...because he can't figure it out.

It's not a scam. It's just not for everyone's situation at this moment in time. I did my research (before spending about 50k LESS than he did ) and got the right (used) vehicle for me. I have a PHEV, a 2017 Chevy Volt, which I charge at home. I am using about 2/3 less gas on my long commute (I get about 45-50 miles on the battery on my 75 mile RT commute). I did some basic research before I got this.

Of course, some Fox watcher at work, first day I drove it, said 'aren't you worried its going to catch fire?' I'm like dude you have never seen a ICE on fire? They do that, no I'm not worried.

I think he had reasonable expectations
What is so wrong with going on a road trip?
Obviously he was not told everything he needed to know
I

Clearly, he did no research. I'm the pp and like I said, I did research on my daily commute and realize that I couldn't charge enough so I chose a phev. He didn't do any research on a major road trip before purchasing a $85,000 vehicle. It's very easy to Google a map of charging stations and he would have seen that there were few to none along his route he wanted to take.

He did do his research
Read the article
What took him by surprise is that the refueling stations did not work as expected

I read it. He didn't do his research! He literally said that he 'can't take it camping off grid' well duh, off grid means you are off electrical lines (unless you have an extensive solar array). And he didn't know it would cost so much to install a charger at home and work? He didn't check with an electrician before he had to spend $6k at home for that? His system had to be an antique because I don't know anyone who has spent anywhere near that. And why did he 'have' to put in a charger at work?

He didn't do his research, made a huge $$$ purchase that wasn't right for him, and calls it a 'scam'. It's not a scam, at all.

On the contrary, based on my recent experience at a dealership when I was looking to purchase an ev, the sales person and the manager assured me that I would not need to install a charger at home because an ordinary outlet was fine. And he is correct, installing a charger for an ev costs a lot of money

As for installing one at his work, I would need to know more about his work to comment further.

To the extent any of his complaints are "this is too expensive," he almost definitely didn't need to get the most expensive F-150 Lightning, no matter what his work is. They have models that start at $50,000. To get to $115,000, even including the two level 2 chargers he paid for and the heavy-up at his house, he must have bought the Platinum trim, which starts at $91,500.

It is not our business to judge what models or trim people want to spend money on
But I do see his point too. It is not unusual to trust professionals to do your research for you, especially after a certain price point

I'm judging him for calling it, on a national platform, a scam. It's not a scam, it's his own failure to do research.

Clearly there is a big gap between how these vehicles are marketed and how it works out in reality
I doubt that the news article went into detail enough so it is not for me to judge just based on what is written

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keep drinking from the EV juice tub.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/man-forced-ditch-115k-ford-ev-truck-family-road-trip-chicago-biggest-scam-modern-times

Did this guy do ANY research before he dropped 85K (in USD) on that F-150???

He thought he could go camping way off road in it? Did he plan to bring a 5 gallon container of electricity to refuel the truck?

He decided to road trip through vast western states where charging is very limited? Did he even look at a charging map?

Now, he thinks it's a 'scam'...because he can't figure it out.

It's not a scam. It's just not for everyone's situation at this moment in time. I did my research (before spending about 50k LESS than he did ) and got the right (used) vehicle for me. I have a PHEV, a 2017 Chevy Volt, which I charge at home. I am using about 2/3 less gas on my long commute (I get about 45-50 miles on the battery on my 75 mile RT commute). I did some basic research before I got this.

Of course, some Fox watcher at work, first day I drove it, said 'aren't you worried its going to catch fire?' I'm like dude you have never seen a ICE on fire? They do that, no I'm not worried.

I think he had reasonable expectations
What is so wrong with going on a road trip?
Obviously he was not told everything he needed to know
I

Clearly, he did no research. I'm the pp and like I said, I did research on my daily commute and realize that I couldn't charge enough so I chose a phev. He didn't do any research on a major road trip before purchasing a $85,000 vehicle. It's very easy to Google a map of charging stations and he would have seen that there were few to none along his route he wanted to take.

He did do his research
Read the article
What took him by surprise is that the refueling stations did not work as expected

I read it. He didn't do his research! He literally said that he 'can't take it camping off grid' well duh, off grid means you are off electrical lines (unless you have an extensive solar array). And he didn't know it would cost so much to install a charger at home and work? He didn't check with an electrician before he had to spend $6k at home for that? His system had to be an antique because I don't know anyone who has spent anywhere near that. And why did he 'have' to put in a charger at work?

He didn't do his research, made a huge $$$ purchase that wasn't right for him, and calls it a 'scam'. It's not a scam, at all.

On the contrary, based on my recent experience at a dealership when I was looking to purchase an ev, the sales person and the manager assured me that I would not need to install a charger at home because an ordinary outlet was fine. And he is correct, installing a charger for an ev costs a lot of money

As for installing one at his work, I would need to know more about his work to comment further.

To the extent any of his complaints are "this is too expensive," he almost definitely didn't need to get the most expensive F-150 Lightning, no matter what his work is. They have models that start at $50,000. To get to $115,000, even including the two level 2 chargers he paid for and the heavy-up at his house, he must have bought the Platinum trim, which starts at $91,500.

It is not our business to judge what models or trim people want to spend money on
But I do see his point too. It is not unusual to trust professionals to do your research for you, especially after a certain price point

I'm judging him for calling it, on a national platform, a scam. It's not a scam, it's his own failure to do research.

Clearly there is a big gap between how these vehicles are marketed and how it works out in reality
I doubt that the news article went into detail enough so it is not for me to judge just based on what is written

There is actually no gap between how these vehicles are marketed and how they work out in reality. (Source: I have owned an EV for two years.) Yes, you have to think about some other things with an EV besides just "this is so fun to drive," like "where will I charge when I'm away from home" and "how can I avoid running out of battery." But you also have to think about some other things with a gas car, like "I need an oil change" and "I will have to buy gas during this road trip." When was the last time any car marketing focused on stuff like that?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keep drinking from the EV juice tub.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/man-forced-ditch-115k-ford-ev-truck-family-road-trip-chicago-biggest-scam-modern-times

Did this guy do ANY research before he dropped 85K (in USD) on that F-150???

He thought he could go camping way off road in it? Did he plan to bring a 5 gallon container of electricity to refuel the truck?

He decided to road trip through vast western states where charging is very limited? Did he even look at a charging map?

Now, he thinks it's a 'scam'...because he can't figure it out.

It's not a scam. It's just not for everyone's situation at this moment in time. I did my research (before spending about 50k LESS than he did ) and got the right (used) vehicle for me. I have a PHEV, a 2017 Chevy Volt, which I charge at home. I am using about 2/3 less gas on my long commute (I get about 45-50 miles on the battery on my 75 mile RT commute). I did some basic research before I got this.

Of course, some Fox watcher at work, first day I drove it, said 'aren't you worried its going to catch fire?' I'm like dude you have never seen a ICE on fire? They do that, no I'm not worried.

I think he had reasonable expectations
What is so wrong with going on a road trip?
Obviously he was not told everything he needed to know
I

Clearly, he did no research. I'm the pp and like I said, I did research on my daily commute and realize that I couldn't charge enough so I chose a phev. He didn't do any research on a major road trip before purchasing a $85,000 vehicle. It's very easy to Google a map of charging stations and he would have seen that there were few to none along his route he wanted to take.

He did do his research
Read the article
What took him by surprise is that the refueling stations did not work as expected

I read it. He didn't do his research! He literally said that he 'can't take it camping off grid' well duh, off grid means you are off electrical lines (unless you have an extensive solar array). And he didn't know it would cost so much to install a charger at home and work? He didn't check with an electrician before he had to spend $6k at home for that? His system had to be an antique because I don't know anyone who has spent anywhere near that. And why did he 'have' to put in a charger at work?

He didn't do his research, made a huge $$$ purchase that wasn't right for him, and calls it a 'scam'. It's not a scam, at all.

On the contrary, based on my recent experience at a dealership when I was looking to purchase an ev, the sales person and the manager assured me that I would not need to install a charger at home because an ordinary outlet was fine. And he is correct, installing a charger for an ev costs a lot of money

As for installing one at his work, I would need to know more about his work to comment further.

To the extent any of his complaints are "this is too expensive," he almost definitely didn't need to get the most expensive F-150 Lightning, no matter what his work is. They have models that start at $50,000. To get to $115,000, even including the two level 2 chargers he paid for and the heavy-up at his house, he must have bought the Platinum trim, which starts at $91,500.

It is not our business to judge what models or trim people want to spend money on
But I do see his point too. It is not unusual to trust professionals to do your research for you, especially after a certain price point

I'm judging him for calling it, on a national platform, a scam. It's not a scam, it's his own failure to do research.

Clearly there is a big gap between how these vehicles are marketed and how it works out in reality
I doubt that the news article went into detail enough so it is not for me to judge just based on what is written

There is no gap. Just a lot of idiots who don’t understand. You guys would have been just as lost going from a horse and buggy to an internal combustion engine.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keep drinking from the EV juice tub.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/man-forced-ditch-115k-ford-ev-truck-family-road-trip-chicago-biggest-scam-modern-times

Did this guy do ANY research before he dropped 85K (in USD) on that F-150???

He thought he could go camping way off road in it? Did he plan to bring a 5 gallon container of electricity to refuel the truck?

He decided to road trip through vast western states where charging is very limited? Did he even look at a charging map?

Now, he thinks it's a 'scam'...because he can't figure it out.

It's not a scam. It's just not for everyone's situation at this moment in time. I did my research (before spending about 50k LESS than he did ) and got the right (used) vehicle for me. I have a PHEV, a 2017 Chevy Volt, which I charge at home. I am using about 2/3 less gas on my long commute (I get about 45-50 miles on the battery on my 75 mile RT commute). I did some basic research before I got this.

Of course, some Fox watcher at work, first day I drove it, said 'aren't you worried its going to catch fire?' I'm like dude you have never seen a ICE on fire? They do that, no I'm not worried.

I think he had reasonable expectations
What is so wrong with going on a road trip?
Obviously he was not told everything he needed to know
I

Clearly, he did no research. I'm the pp and like I said, I did research on my daily commute and realize that I couldn't charge enough so I chose a phev. He didn't do any research on a major road trip before purchasing a $85,000 vehicle. It's very easy to Google a map of charging stations and he would have seen that there were few to none along his route he wanted to take.

He did do his research
Read the article
What took him by surprise is that the refueling stations did not work as expected

I read it. He didn't do his research! He literally said that he 'can't take it camping off grid' well duh, off grid means you are off electrical lines (unless you have an extensive solar array). And he didn't know it would cost so much to install a charger at home and work? He didn't check with an electrician before he had to spend $6k at home for that? His system had to be an antique because I don't know anyone who has spent anywhere near that. And why did he 'have' to put in a charger at work?

He didn't do his research, made a huge $$$ purchase that wasn't right for him, and calls it a 'scam'. It's not a scam, at all.

On the contrary, based on my recent experience at a dealership when I was looking to purchase an ev, the sales person and the manager assured me that I would not need to install a charger at home because an ordinary outlet was fine. And he is correct, installing a charger for an ev costs a lot of money

As for installing one at his work, I would need to know more about his work to comment further.

To the extent any of his complaints are "this is too expensive," he almost definitely didn't need to get the most expensive F-150 Lightning, no matter what his work is. They have models that start at $50,000. To get to $115,000, even including the two level 2 chargers he paid for and the heavy-up at his house, he must have bought the Platinum trim, which starts at $91,500.

It is not our business to judge what models or trim people want to spend money on
But I do see his point too. It is not unusual to trust professionals to do your research for you, especially after a certain price point

I'm judging him for calling it, on a national platform, a scam. It's not a scam, it's his own failure to do research.

Clearly there is a big gap between how these vehicles are marketed and how it works out in reality
I doubt that the news article went into detail enough so it is not for me to judge just based on what is written

There is no gap. Just a lot of idiots who don’t understand. You guys would have been just as lost going from a horse and buggy to an internal combustion engine.

Yeah, and people who didn't even TRY to understand, before dropping 85k and then calling it a 'scam'. I did a bunch of research before dropping 20K on a used PHEV. I'm just an everyday person and I figured it out.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep drinking from the EV juice tub.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/man-forced-ditch-115k-ford-ev-truck-family-road-trip-chicago-biggest-scam-modern-times

Did this guy do ANY research before he dropped 85K (in USD) on that F-150???

He thought he could go camping way off road in it? Did he plan to bring a 5 gallon container of electricity to refuel the truck?

He decided to road trip through vast western states where charging is very limited? Did he even look at a charging map?

Now, he thinks it's a 'scam'...because he can't figure it out.

It's not a scam. It's just not for everyone's situation at this moment in time. I did my research (before spending about 50k LESS than he did ) and got the right (used) vehicle for me. I have a PHEV, a 2017 Chevy Volt, which I charge at home. I am using about 2/3 less gas on my long commute (I get about 45-50 miles on the battery on my 75 mile RT commute). I did some basic research before I got this.

Of course, some Fox watcher at work, first day I drove it, said 'aren't you worried its going to catch fire?' I'm like dude you have never seen a ICE on fire? They do that, no I'm not worried.

I think he had reasonable expectations
What is so wrong with going on a road trip?
Obviously he was not told everything he needed to know
I

Clearly, he did no research. I'm the pp and like I said, I did research on my daily commute and realize that I couldn't charge enough so I chose a phev. He didn't do any research on a major road trip before purchasing a $85,000 vehicle. It's very easy to Google a map of charging stations and he would have seen that there were few to none along his route he wanted to take.

He did do his research
Read the article
What took him by surprise is that the refueling stations did not work as expected

I read it. He didn't do his research! He literally said that he 'can't take it camping off grid' well duh, off grid means you are off electrical lines (unless you have an extensive solar array). And he didn't know it would cost so much to install a charger at home and work? He didn't check with an electrician before he had to spend $6k at home for that? His system had to be an antique because I don't know anyone who has spent anywhere near that. And why did he 'have' to put in a charger at work?

He didn't do his research, made a huge $$$ purchase that wasn't right for him, and calls it a 'scam'. It's not a scam, at all.

On the contrary, based on my recent experience at a dealership when I was looking to purchase an ev, the sales person and the manager assured me that I would not need to install a charger at home because an ordinary outlet was fine. And he is correct, installing a charger for an ev costs a lot of money

As for installing one at his work, I would need to know more about his work to comment further.

To the extent any of his complaints are "this is too expensive," he almost definitely didn't need to get the most expensive F-150 Lightning, no matter what his work is. They have models that start at $50,000. To get to $115,000, even including the two level 2 chargers he paid for and the heavy-up at his house, he must have bought the Platinum trim, which starts at $91,500.

It is not our business to judge what models or trim people want to spend money on
But I do see his point too. It is not unusual to trust professionals to do your research for you, especially after a certain price point

I'm judging him for calling it, on a national platform, a scam. It's not a scam, it's his own failure to do research.

Clearly there is a big gap between how these vehicles are marketed and how it works out in reality
I doubt that the news article went into detail enough so it is not for me to judge just based on what is written

There is no gap. Just a lot of idiots who don’t understand. You guys would have been just as lost going from a horse and buggy to an internal combustion engine.

Yeah, and people who didn't even TRY to understand, before dropping 85k and then calling it a 'scam'. I did a bunch of research before dropping 20K on a used PHEV. I'm just an everyday person and I figured it out.

These new fangled cars are scams!! Why, when I went into the local public house for vittles I tied my car up outside and it didn’t eat any grass at all. When I got back in, I could only go 100 furlong before it quit!! I learned this thing needs me to stop and pump gasoline into it! What a scam! My old horse and buggy, well it would just refuel on its own anytime I stopped. Why won’t my car do that?

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Can’t wait until the man behind the curtain is gone from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave!