$7M vs $10M

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Anonymous wrote:Still stuck on the thread title as this is a problem that I wish that I had to face.

Nevertheless, out of respect for OP's question: My dogs would get a higher grade of dog food.

We wouldn't have to eat Kraft Dinner.

But we would.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think I'd have any lifestyle change between those two numbers. At $25M I think I'd start incorporating a few stupid-rich things, like chartering planes for travel. But at those numbers I'd be retired, relaxed, and still focusing on preservation.

Really? I'm going to reach that net worth in a few years, the way my portfolio is going, and there's no way I'd charter a plane, unless to get somewhere a commercial route can't go. I just want a normal middle class life, and preserve wealth for my descendants.

If you are close to $25 million, the words normal middle class do not describe you

They do, and this what a lot of people don't understand. I have a middle class income. Income and assets can be VERY different things. I happen to have lucked out in my stock portfolio, but that doesn't make my job high-earning. And since I'm still quite young, there is no way I'm quitting my life to gobble up my capital. I have kids to put through college, parents to look out for and spending on luxury just isn't my thing. Maybe I will re-evaluate when my kids are finished with college. But certainly not now.

I think you some of you, who probably all out-earn me, just don't quite understand what it's like to actually have 10M+ in a stock portfolio in your early 40s. It's not "Woohoo! Free money! Let's spend it". It's "Hmm, OK. My oldest's college is 85K a year. My father has dementia. Let's wait and see."

I get what you are saying, but normal middle class can’t fund $85000 a year for their child’s college.

$1Mx2 for super premium college and grad school for 2 kids, $2M for a decade of premium memory care, for dad, another $2 for self and spouse, $2M x2 for a modest house for each kids to inherit, and boom, $10M gone. Middle class can't make it in this country. The pandemic* hit us hard.


*affluenza pandemic

This is ridiculous! What do you think people with less money do? Go ahead and live your life thinking this way, but this isn’t planning or living, it’s irrational or irresponsible doomsday thinking. Next, you’ll be setting aside money for nuclear war and life on Mars. You must be a miserable person.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Still stuck on the thread title as this is a problem that I wish that I had to face.

Nevertheless, out of respect for OP's question: My dogs would get a higher grade of dog food.

We wouldn't have to eat Kraft Dinner.

But we would.

Of course we would. We’d just eat more!

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think I'd have any lifestyle change between those two numbers. At $25M I think I'd start incorporating a few stupid-rich things, like chartering planes for travel. But at those numbers I'd be retired, relaxed, and still focusing on preservation.

Really? I'm going to reach that net worth in a few years, the way my portfolio is going, and there's no way I'd charter a plane, unless to get somewhere a commercial route can't go. I just want a normal middle class life, and preserve wealth for my descendants.

If you are close to $25 million, the words normal middle class do not describe you

They do, and this what a lot of people don't understand. I have a middle class income. Income and assets can be VERY different things. I happen to have lucked out in my stock portfolio, but that doesn't make my job high-earning. And since I'm still quite young, there is no way I'm quitting my life to gobble up my capital. I have kids to put through college, parents to look out for and spending on luxury just isn't my thing. Maybe I will re-evaluate when my kids are finished with college. But certainly not now.

I think you some of you, who probably all out-earn me, just don't quite understand what it's like to actually have 10M+ in a stock portfolio in your early 40s. It's not "Woohoo! Free money! Let's spend it". It's "Hmm, OK. My oldest's college is 85K a year. My father has dementia. Let's wait and see."

I get what you are saying, but normal middle class can’t fund $85000 a year for their child’s college.

$1Mx2 for super premium college and grad school for 2 kids, $2M for a decade of premium memory care, for dad, another $2 for self and spouse, $2M x2 for a modest house for each kids to inherit, and boom, $10M gone. Middle class can't make it in this country. The pandemic* hit us hard.


*affluenza pandemic

This is ridiculous! What do you think people with less money do? Go ahead and live your life thinking this way, but this isn’t planning or living, it’s irrational or irresponsible doomsday thinking. Next, you’ll be setting aside money for nuclear war and life on Mars. You must be a miserable person.

The PP you responded to was being sarcastic.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think I'd have any lifestyle change between those two numbers. At $25M I think I'd start incorporating a few stupid-rich things, like chartering planes for travel. But at those numbers I'd be retired, relaxed, and still focusing on preservation.

Really? I'm going to reach that net worth in a few years, the way my portfolio is going, and there's no way I'd charter a plane, unless to get somewhere a commercial route can't go. I just want a normal middle class life, and preserve wealth for my descendants.

If you are close to $25 million, the words normal middle class do not describe you

They do, and this what a lot of people don't understand. I have a middle class income. Income and assets can be VERY different things. I happen to have lucked out in my stock portfolio, but that doesn't make my job high-earning. And since I'm still quite young, there is no way I'm quitting my life to gobble up my capital. I have kids to put through college, parents to look out for and spending on luxury just isn't my thing. Maybe I will re-evaluate when my kids are finished with college. But certainly not now.

I think you some of you, who probably all out-earn me, just don't quite understand what it's like to actually have 10M+ in a stock portfolio in your early 40s. It's not "Woohoo! Free money! Let's spend it". It's "Hmm, OK. My oldest's college is 85K a year. My father has dementia. Let's wait and see."

I get what you are saying, but normal middle class can’t fund $85000 a year for their child’s college.

$1Mx2 for super premium college and grad school for 2 kids, $2M for a decade of premium memory care, for dad, another $2 for self and spouse, $2M x2 for a modest house for each kids to inherit, and boom, $10M gone. Middle class can't make it in this country. The pandemic* hit us hard.


*affluenza pandemic

This is ridiculous! What do you think people with less money do? Go ahead and live your life thinking this way, but this isn’t planning or living, it’s irrational or irresponsible doomsday thinking. Next, you’ll be setting aside money for nuclear war and life on Mars. You must be a miserable person.

Missed the footnote, huh?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still stuck on the thread title as this is a problem that I wish that I had to face.

Nevertheless, out of respect for OP's question: My dogs would get a higher grade of dog food.

We wouldn't have to eat Kraft Dinner.

But we would.

Of course we would. We’d just eat more!

And buy really expensive ketchups.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think I'd have any lifestyle change between those two numbers. At $25M I think I'd start incorporating a few stupid-rich things, like chartering planes for travel. But at those numbers I'd be retired, relaxed, and still focusing on preservation.

Really? I'm going to reach that net worth in a few years, the way my portfolio is going, and there's no way I'd charter a plane, unless to get somewhere a commercial route can't go. I just want a normal middle class life, and preserve wealth for my descendants.

If you are close to $25 million, the words normal middle class do not describe you

They do, and this what a lot of people don't understand. I have a middle class income. Income and assets can be VERY different things. I happen to have lucked out in my stock portfolio, but that doesn't make my job high-earning. And since I'm still quite young, there is no way I'm quitting my life to gobble up my capital. I have kids to put through college, parents to look out for and spending on luxury just isn't my thing. Maybe I will re-evaluate when my kids are finished with college. But certainly not now.

I think you some of you, who probably all out-earn me, just don't quite understand what it's like to actually have 10M+ in a stock portfolio in your early 40s. It's not "Woohoo! Free money! Let's spend it". It's "Hmm, OK. My oldest's college is 85K a year. My father has dementia. Let's wait and see."

You seem to have gotten lucky in the market, but don’t understand what you have. $10M should generate $500k to $1 million annually in return. Can you not live on that? Sounds like $250k or less would be fine for your lifestyle. Run some numbers bro; you’re overthinking it.

Best practice for UHNW individuals is 2-3% annual withdrawal to not touch your principal and to continue allowing your money to grow to account for future inflation and higher spending down the road. Then you have to account dividend taxes and/or capital gains taxes. I agree with PP, when you have this much money and are still young, it's definitely not "free money! let's spend it!" unless you want to end up with nothing. People get into trouble thinking the market is going to return 5-10% every year and relying on that type of withdrawal, not to mention uncertainty with the future tax code.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think I'd have any lifestyle change between those two numbers. At $25M I think I'd start incorporating a few stupid-rich things, like chartering planes for travel. But at those numbers I'd be retired, relaxed, and still focusing on preservation.

Really? I'm going to reach that net worth in a few years, the way my portfolio is going, and there's no way I'd charter a plane, unless to get somewhere a commercial route can't go. I just want a normal middle class life, and preserve wealth for my descendants.

If you are close to $25 million, the words normal middle class do not describe you

They do, and this what a lot of people don't understand. I have a middle class income. Income and assets can be VERY different things. I happen to have lucked out in my stock portfolio, but that doesn't make my job high-earning. And since I'm still quite young, there is no way I'm quitting my life to gobble up my capital. I have kids to put through college, parents to look out for and spending on luxury just isn't my thing. Maybe I will re-evaluate when my kids are finished with college. But certainly not now.

I think you some of you, who probably all out-earn me, just don't quite understand what it's like to actually have 10M+ in a stock portfolio in your early 40s. It's not "Woohoo! Free money! Let's spend it". It's "Hmm, OK. My oldest's college is 85K a year. My father has dementia. Let's wait and see."

You seem to have gotten lucky in the market, but don’t understand what you have. $10M should generate $500k to $1 million annually in return. Can you not live on that? Sounds like $250k or less would be fine for your lifestyle. Run some numbers bro; you’re overthinking it.

I don't know where you're getting those numbers, but you're entirely incorrect. Please don't mislead others in this way.
Are you thinking of liquidating capital? That's defeating the entire purpose of building wealth in the first place. This is for generations to come.
If you're thinking of dividends, then yes, it's a nice income supplement, and how I pay for my children's colleges, travel and other nice little extras (not private planes!).
But on the daily, I have a little house in Bethesda, and little Japanese cars, and I send my kids to public school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:$10m liquid sound be 350-500k in annual cash flow if invested properly

7M would be 250 -350k

And extra 10k+ a month is a huge lifestyle difference.

It’s the difference of a 2M beach house

It's generally unwise to liquidate your capital. You want to keep it invested for future generations (or a catastrophic life event) and receive the dividends. And 10M does NOT give you anywhere near that much dividends.

If you earn 6-7+% and take out 3-5% it will still grow...you need cash flow, not dividends.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think I'd have any lifestyle change between those two numbers. At $25M I think I'd start incorporating a few stupid-rich things, like chartering planes for travel. But at those numbers I'd be retired, relaxed, and still focusing on preservation.

Really? I'm going to reach that net worth in a few years, the way my portfolio is going, and there's no way I'd charter a plane, unless to get somewhere a commercial route can't go. I just want a normal middle class life, and preserve wealth for my descendants.

If you are close to $25 million, the words normal middle class do not describe you

They do, and this what a lot of people don't understand. I have a middle class income. Income and assets can be VERY different things. I happen to have lucked out in my stock portfolio, but that doesn't make my job high-earning. And since I'm still quite young, there is no way I'm quitting my life to gobble up my capital. I have kids to put through college, parents to look out for and spending on luxury just isn't my thing. Maybe I will re-evaluate when my kids are finished with college. But certainly not now.

I think you some of you, who probably all out-earn me, just don't quite understand what it's like to actually have 10M+ in a stock portfolio in your early 40s. It's not "Woohoo! Free money! Let's spend it". It's "Hmm, OK. My oldest's college is 85K a year. My father has dementia. Let's wait and see."

This, exactly.

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$10M in the bank when you are 60 is very different than when you are 40, still have kids at home and college to consider, aging parents who might need assistance, etc. $500K of that could easily go to the kid's college.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think I'd have any lifestyle change between those two numbers. At $25M I think I'd start incorporating a few stupid-rich things, like chartering planes for travel. But at those numbers I'd be retired, relaxed, and still focusing on preservation.

Really? I'm going to reach that net worth in a few years, the way my portfolio is going, and there's no way I'd charter a plane, unless to get somewhere a commercial route can't go. I just want a normal middle class life, and preserve wealth for my descendants.

If you are close to $25 million, the words normal middle class do not describe you

They do, and this what a lot of people don't understand. I have a middle class income. Income and assets can be VERY different things. I happen to have lucked out in my stock portfolio, but that doesn't make my job high-earning. And since I'm still quite young, there is no way I'm quitting my life to gobble up my capital. I have kids to put through college, parents to look out for and spending on luxury just isn't my thing. Maybe I will re-evaluate when my kids are finished with college. But certainly not now.

I think you some of you, who probably all out-earn me, just don't quite understand what it's like to actually have 10M+ in a stock portfolio in your early 40s. It's not "Woohoo! Free money! Let's spend it". It's "Hmm, OK. My oldest's college is 85K a year. My father has dementia. Let's wait and see."

I get what you are saying, but normal middle class can’t fund $85000 a year for their child’s college.

Because normal people in the USA don't really save. He's just told you he got here thru average income and saving and some luck with stocks---so unless he means stock options (a totally different story), then he got here thru savings, living within a budget and more savings and a little luck with picking the right stocks.
There are middle class people who have saved for their kids education and pay for the elite schools. They chose to make college savings a priority.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think I'd have any lifestyle change between those two numbers. At $25M I think I'd start incorporating a few stupid-rich things, like chartering planes for travel. But at those numbers I'd be retired, relaxed, and still focusing on preservation.

Really? I'm going to reach that net worth in a few years, the way my portfolio is going, and there's no way I'd charter a plane, unless to get somewhere a commercial route can't go. I just want a normal middle class life, and preserve wealth for my descendants.

If you are close to $25 million, the words normal middle class do not describe you

They do, and this what a lot of people don't understand. I have a middle class income. Income and assets can be VERY different things. I happen to have lucked out in my stock portfolio, but that doesn't make my job high-earning. And since I'm still quite young, there is no way I'm quitting my life to gobble up my capital. I have kids to put through college, parents to look out for and spending on luxury just isn't my thing. Maybe I will re-evaluate when my kids are finished with college. But certainly not now.

I think you some of you, who probably all out-earn me, just don't quite understand what it's like to actually have 10M+ in a stock portfolio in your early 40s. It's not "Woohoo! Free money! Let's spend it". It's "Hmm, OK. My oldest's college is 85K a year. My father has dementia. Let's wait and see."

This, exactly.

+1

$10M in the bank when you are 60 is very different than when you are 40, still have kids at home and college to consider, aging parents who might need assistance, etc. $500K of that could easily go to the kid's college.

MOST people with 10m in their 40s won't have to support their parents and no one is telling you to send you kid to Georgetown. Send them to Maryland if you're worried about college costs.

If you need to drop 500k as a one-off, who cares, that is 5% of your liquid portfolio, which will be a drop in the bucket long term assuming you invest the money.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think I'd have any lifestyle change between those two numbers. At $25M I think I'd start incorporating a few stupid-rich things, like chartering planes for travel. But at those numbers I'd be retired, relaxed, and still focusing on preservation.

Really? I'm going to reach that net worth in a few years, the way my portfolio is going, and there's no way I'd charter a plane, unless to get somewhere a commercial route can't go. I just want a normal middle class life, and preserve wealth for my descendants.

If you are close to $25 million, the words normal middle class do not describe you

They do, and this what a lot of people don't understand. I have a middle class income. Income and assets can be VERY different things. I happen to have lucked out in my stock portfolio, but that doesn't make my job high-earning. And since I'm still quite young, there is no way I'm quitting my life to gobble up my capital. I have kids to put through college, parents to look out for and spending on luxury just isn't my thing. Maybe I will re-evaluate when my kids are finished with college. But certainly not now.

I think you some of you, who probably all out-earn me, just don't quite understand what it's like to actually have 10M+ in a stock portfolio in your early 40s. It's not "Woohoo! Free money! Let's spend it". It's "Hmm, OK. My oldest's college is 85K a year. My father has dementia. Let's wait and see."

I get what you are saying, but normal middle class can’t fund $85000 a year for their child’s college.

Because normal people in the USA don't really save. He's just told you he got here thru average income and saving and some luck with stocks---so unless he means stock options (a totally different story), then he got here thru savings, living within a budget and more savings and a little luck with picking the right stocks.
There are middle class people who have saved for their kids education and pay for the elite schools. They chose to make college savings a priority.

Correct, except I'm a woman.

[Anonymous]

I retired at 53 with a 4.5 million net worth. Nine years later my net worth is 7.5 million and I’m living large. But hey you all keep telling yourselves that ain’t enough money. It’s cool - you’ll live forever I’m sure. Have fun with all your money sitting around in diapers in your 80s and 90s!

You post this in SO. MANY.THREADS. You sound insufferable, no matter your nw.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think I'd have any lifestyle change between those two numbers. At $25M I think I'd start incorporating a few stupid-rich things, like chartering planes for travel. But at those numbers I'd be retired, relaxed, and still focusing on preservation.

Really? I'm going to reach that net worth in a few years, the way my portfolio is going, and there's no way I'd charter a plane, unless to get somewhere a commercial route can't go. I just want a normal middle class life, and preserve wealth for my descendants.

If you are close to $25 million, the words normal middle class do not describe you

They do, and this what a lot of people don't understand. I have a middle class income. Income and assets can be VERY different things. I happen to have lucked out in my stock portfolio, but that doesn't make my job high-earning. And since I'm still quite young, there is no way I'm quitting my life to gobble up my capital. I have kids to put through college, parents to look out for and spending on luxury just isn't my thing. Maybe I will re-evaluate when my kids are finished with college. But certainly not now.

I think you some of you, who probably all out-earn me, just don't quite understand what it's like to actually have 10M+ in a stock portfolio in your early 40s. It's not "Woohoo! Free money! Let's spend it". It's "Hmm, OK. My oldest's college is 85K a year. My father has dementia. Let's wait and see."

This, exactly.

I couldn’t disagree more. You’re gonna be dead before you know it.